Why Can't The So-Called Pro-Life Crowd Be Honest?

[DaGoose]

Because if they were they would admit that they are in favor of government control over American citizens private decisions. THEY are the real enemies of liberty and freedom.

Because unless you are the woman, her doctor or her God you need to stay the fuck out of her business.

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[Avatar4321]

Since when is taking the life of someone else a private decision?

I suppose we should decriminalize murder. After all, the government is punishing a person for their own private decision.

Of course, I don't expect you to actually recognize the inherent flaws of your argument. But perhaps someone who is reading will and will see how illogical your position is.

 

[Nosmo King]

Since when is taking the life of someone else a private decision?

I suppose we should decriminalize murder. After all, the government is punishing a person for their own private decision.

Of course, I don't expect you to actually recognize the inherent flaws of your argument. But perhaps someone who is reading will and will see how illogical your position is.

If you want to extend the meaning of murder to the abortion of a non-viable fetus, shouldn't we then refer to the purging of freezer space at a in vitro fertilization clinic as mass murder?

One silly rationalization deserves another.

 

[R.D.]

It's about the child’s life. Not a difficult concept for an honest person.

 

[Bern80]

Because if they were they would admit that they are in favor of government control over American citizens private decisions. THEY are the real enemies of liberty and freedom.

Because unless you are the woman, her doctor or her God you need to stay the fuck out of her business.

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It's easy to paint it that way, but unfortunately that isn't the position of any but the most extreme of the anti-abortion crowd like those that think they should be illegal at any time in the pregnancy no matter what the reason.

The reality I think is most hold a position similar to me. I'm anti-abortion. Who isn't really? Abortion, unless for medical reasons only arises when a lack of responsibility occurs on the part of two people. The only question here is when should the law get involved. I'm also a libertarian where the law is concerned. Libertarians are pretty split on abortion, but I believe as far as the law goes people ought to be free to make their own choices so long as the choices they make don't jeopardize another person's right to do the same. The last part is where the split occurs. Some people think that at some point the child inside you is a person and thus should have legal protection. Some don't. To me the notion that a baby was somehow biologically less of a person or less of a human being mere moments before it was born is rather illogical to me hence why I believe abortion should be illegal once the fetus is viable.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

First of all you're generalizing everybody's who's pro-life. I consider myself to be in the middle, and I probably lean towards things on the left. I've been called a wing nut for the left, and wing nut for the right on USMB.

I think you're missing a view big points here.

-Regardless of your views on when life first begins-there's no question that the fetus will become a human being.

-There are tons of ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies available including birth control, and condoms. It's very easy, and cheap to get your hands on contraceptives. I used to get them for free at college.

-People should be held accountable for their actions. If I do something that leads to a negative result (or a positive for that matter), I'm accountable for that action. Why is that not the case with abortion? If you get pregnant while having sex-it's because you acted irresponsibly by either: not using protection, or not using protection properly. It's your fault.

Now in cases where the mother's life is in danger, or the baby is going to die shortly after birth-I'm pro-choice. I think those are legit reasons for someone to seek out an abortion.

But engaging in an act irresponsibly when you're not prepared for a possible outcome is not.

 

[Oddball]

Because if they were they would admit that they are in favor of government control over American citizens private decisions. THEY are the real enemies of liberty and freedom.

I'm in favor of devolving the issue to the states....I believe Roe to be bad law...And I'm in favor of allowing women to choose ending their pregnancies within the first trimester.

Why can't the pro abortion freaks be honest and stop hiding behind the word "choice"?...The decision to go full-term and keep the child or put it up for adoption are choices too.

 

[Dr.Drock]

There was a thread on this with a case where the death of the baby was certain but a law said the woman couldn't have an abortion. So the baby was born and for 15 minutes died a slow painful death in the mother's arms. I didn't see one pro-lifer on the thread take issue with that.

So it proved to me, at least with the people on this board, that it isn't about the well-being of the baby or mother. It's solely about forcing one's religious views on another.

 

[Oddball]

^^^
One reason why I'm in favor of this issue being devolved to the states.

 

[The Infidel]

If you want to extend the meaning of murder to the abortion of a non-viable fetus, shouldn't we then refer to the purging of freezer space at a in vitro fertilization clinic as mass murder?

One silly rationalization deserves another.

So I guess a newborn is "non-viable"?

It should be able to walk and feed itself right?

You libs are baby killers.... just sayin'

 

[Dr.Drock]

^^^
One reason why I'm in favor of this issue being devolved to the states.

Totally agree

 

[kaz]

Because if they were they would admit that they are in favor of government control over American citizens private decisions. THEY are the real enemies of liberty and freedom.

Because unless you are the woman, her doctor or her God you need to stay the fuck out of her business

And unless you're me, my accountant or God you should stay the fuck out of my wallet...

 

[Dr.Drock]

If you want to extend the meaning of murder to the abortion of a non-viable fetus, shouldn't we then refer to the purging of freezer space at a in vitro fertilization clinic as mass murder?

One silly rationalization deserves another.

So I guess a newborn is "non-viable"?

It should be able to walk and feed itself right?

You libs are baby killers.... just sayin'

For pro-lifers and pro-choicers the principle view is the same, it's just the timing and situations where people think abortions should be legal that are different.

Very few pro-lifers are against allowing a 14 year old child to abort a pregnancy caused by her father. Very few pro-lifers are against the morning after pill. Very few pro-choicers are for partial birth abortion, late term abortion with a healthy fetus/mother.

So we all like to pretend our stance on the view is a moral highground, but neither is. It's just a different view of how far a particular liberty should go.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Because if they were they would admit that they are in favor of government control over American citizens private decisions. THEY are the real enemies of liberty and freedom.

Because unless you are the woman, her doctor or her God you need to stay the fuck out of her business.

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Because it isn't just her business. We're not talking about body piercings here.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Because if they were they would admit that they are in favor of government control over American citizens private decisions. THEY are the real enemies of liberty and freedom.

Because unless you are the woman, her doctor or her God you need to stay the fuck out of her business

And unless you're me, my accountant or God you should stay the fuck out of my wallet...

Funny how that works... they have no problems sending the IRS in to enforce health insurance mandates.

 

[R.D.]

There was a thread on this with a case where the death of the baby was certain but a law said the woman couldn't have an abortion. So the baby was born and for 15 minutes died a slow painful death in the mother's arms. I didn't see one pro-lifer on the thread take issue with that.

So it proved to me, at least with the people on this board, that it isn't about the well-being of the baby or mother. It's solely about forcing one's religious views on another.

No proof the child was in pain, all birth is traumatic to the child. Thats an assumption used to cushion a choice to kill. That the mothers pain would have been less if the child was killed 10 days earlier than the birth is emotional poppycock.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Now giving birth is more traumatic than being aborted?

Man, these are some vapid folks.

 

[The Infidel]

Now giving birth is more traumatic than being aborted?

Man, these are some vapid folks.

Anything to allow baby killing.... the ends justify the means.

Never forget that with liberals.

 

[The Infidel]

If you want to extend the meaning of murder to the abortion of a non-viable fetus, shouldn't we then refer to the purging of freezer space at a in vitro fertilization clinic as mass murder?

One silly rationalization deserves another.

So I guess a newborn is "non-viable"?

It should be able to walk and feed itself right?

You libs are baby killers.... just sayin'

For pro-lifers and pro-choicers the principle view is the same, it's just the timing and situations where people think abortions should be legal that are different.

Very few pro-lifers are against allowing a 14 year old child to abort a pregnancy caused by her father. Very few pro-lifers are against the morning after pill. Very few pro-choicers are for partial birth abortion, late term abortion with a healthy fetus/mother.

So we all like to pretend our stance on the view is a moral highground, but neither is. It's just a different view of how far a particular liberty should go.

I will always take the ground that does'nt allow for the MURDER of innocent babies.

 

[Vanquish]

This shouldnt go to the states...the same rule should apply nationwide. Either it's murder or it's not. Plain and simple.

Despite being a centrist, some around here seem to think I lean to the left. That being said, I'm staunchly pro life and have worked with NRL and individual church organizations to protest abortion. (I personally am not pro-life for religious reasons, but for rational, logical ones)

I really wish humans had evolved to where mothers had a see-through stomach during pregnancy because we seem to forget that there's a living, breathing human simply because you CANT SEE IT!

I've been in the room during more than one abortion and was repulsed and stunned. Watch a doctor "gross the parts" (i.e. count all the body parts of the baby to make sure the whole thing is out) and you'll realize that abortion is, in fact, murder.

I do agree that there are some cases where, for medical reasons, the child won't be viable and decisions to save the mother need to be made. I'm aghast that this country is so illogical on this issue.