Why can't the other side understand?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Health care doesn't work a market good (go back and read Arrow's work).

Why does the silly liberal you say that??? We have a more convoluted socialism than Canada and our costs are twice as high. If we had consumers shopping for health care with their own money and providers competing to offer low price and high quality our system would cost half what Canada's does.

Do you ever say anything that is not liberal and stupid??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Look, there is little doubt that Adam Smith did not see large corporations, much less very large multinational corporations. But even he realized that monopoly would be a problem, he just could not anticipate how large a problem it would become.

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OMG even more liberal and stupid than usual!! There are millions of corporations all competing with each other and making us the richest people in human history. That's not a monopoly you complete utter liberal.

 

[Polk]

Look, there is little doubt that Adam Smith did not see large corporations, much less very large multinational corporations. But even he realized that monopoly would be a problem, he just could not anticipate how large a problem it would become.

Even Smith believed and recommended regulation of monopoly businesses. We keep hearing about the wonders of the market system, and the great invisible hand. What those who are so busy discussing those wonders are missing is that we do not have, overall, a market economy. We have a great deal of monopoly power at the corporate (and other) level. So, a monopolistic industry such as gas production is NOT PART OF THE MARKET SYSTEM. It is an entirely different thing, and anyone expecting to be happy with the actual outcome is nuts.

Hayek saw this problem much more clear that his claimed heirs do as well.

 

[Polk]

Health care doesn't work a market good (go back and read Arrow's work).

Why does the silly liberal you say that??? We have a more convoluted socialism than Canada and our costs are twice as high. If we had consumers shopping for health care with their own money and providers competing to offer low price and high quality our system would cost half what Canada's does.

Do you ever say anything that is not liberal and stupid??

Our system, which features mostly private hospital and doctors, and where a large portion of people are covered by private insurance, is more socialistic than a system where virtually all care is paid for by the government?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

In case you're wondering, the evidence shows the death penalty doesn't have an impact on the murder rate on way or the other.

how nice then there is no reason for the death penalty and liberals would love that.

does the liberal think a one year penalty for murder would make the murder rate go up or down or would that leave it neutral too? Maybe all jails should be eliminated since punishment does not deter? Would 1 year for bank robbery not make a difference either??

See why we are positve a liberal will be slow??

 

[rdean]

Why can't the other side understand simple economics? Please, someone tell me how the programs enacted under their administrations justify, if you will, a capitalist society? It recently came to me that they simply can't. It's impossible.

Look at the minimum wage law. Although it had well intentions (Like most of their programs), its results are devastating. But, we'll just stick to the facts and not debate the effects and results it has on the US economy.

Any person who has ever studied simple economics knows about supply and demand. It's a basic function for a capitalist nation. But, it seems to me that one side never really got this part of economics 101. Look at supply and demand quickly. Supply and demand generates an equilibrium point, where the producer and consumer are both satisfied with whatever that price may be. Just like in supply and demand for labor, the employer pays a worker for his labor, and that wage must justify his labor or else he wouldn't work. However, the minimum wage law tinkers with the invisible hand and sets a wage above the wage that would prevail in the free market (The market equilibrium point).

Now, once this happens, you have employers supplying less labor than the demand for labor, which results in unemployment. THESE ARE FACTS that can't be disputed. We will not talk about the law being a good one or not.

My simple question to everyone is: Doesn't this law contradict the very capitalist nation we claim to be?

The "other" side? Republicans think "supply and demand" is a wacky liberal theory. They believe that you have to give tax breaks to the "job creators" and they will "create jobs". You don't hear the Republican leadership talking "supply and demand" and it's easy to see why.
Republicans should go with the slogan, "Prosperity through lower wages". It suits them.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Our system, which features mostly private hospital and doctors,

private????? do they post prices and compete with each other??

and where a large portion of people are covered by private insurance,

private??? when liberals made interstate competition illegal???? HOw is that??????????????

our system is a multi pronged bastard child of a liberal and a cyclops that humans would ever create or imagine that is hugely inefficient, while Canada's is simple basic socialism.

 

[Polk]

In case you're wondering, the evidence shows the death penalty doesn't have an impact on the murder rate on way or the other.

how nice then there is no reason for the death penalty and liberals would love that.

does the liberal think a one year penalty for murder would make the murder rate go up or down or would that leave it neutral too? Maybe all jails should be eliminated since punishment does not deter? Would 1 year for bank robbery not make a difference either??

See why we are positve a liberal will be slow??

I never said punishment doesn't deter. I said the death penalty in particular doesn't deter.

 

[Polk]

Our system, which features mostly private hospital and doctors,

private????? do they post prices and compete with each other??

Lots of firms don't post public price lists, that doesn't make them part of the government. You don't see a lot of competition in health care because people want to be alive. They don't run around bragging about having heart surgery at Tom's Discount Stints.

and where a large portion of people are covered by private insurance,

private??? when liberals made interstate competition illegal???? HOw is that??????????????

our system is a bastard child of a liberal and a cyclops that human would ever create, while Canada's is simple basic socialism.

I guess Aetna, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Kaiser Permanente, UnitedHealth, etc. are all just mirages?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You don't see a lot of competition in health care because people want to be alive. They don't run around bragging about having heart surgery at Tom's Discount Stints.

dear, too stupid!! competition gave us a better car and better chance to survive in one. In Hungary you needed a dip stick to check gas level when there was no competition!!

see why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow?? ITs like debating a child. You're alway positive the liberal has been too stupid to know the capitalist argument.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I guess Aetna, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Kaiser Permanente, UnitedHealth, etc. are all just mirages?

dear, they don't compete across state lines they have crony capitalist relationships within states.

Try to imagine what would happen if you could not sell toothpaste across state lines. Simple enough for a fool liberal??

 

[Polk]

Competition creates better cars because cars aren't a necessity and consumers have large amounts of information. The health care market has a lot of asymmetry between consumers and producers, which makes the market mechanism faulty (even more so when you consider the option if often "buy this product now, or die"). Go read Arrow's Uncertainty and the Welfare Economics of Medical Care. It's so old you can get it for free on the internet.

 

[Polk]

I guess Aetna, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Kaiser Permanente, UnitedHealth, etc. are all just mirages?

dear, they don't compete across state lines they have crony capitalist relationships within states.

Try to imagine what would happen if you could not sell toothpaste across state lines. Simple enough for a fool liberal??

Those firms have office in almost every state. They're competing across the nation.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I never said punishment doesn't deter. I said the death penalty in particular doesn't deter.

notice how the liberal positions show pure ignorance or branwashing?

The death penalty doesn't deter but encourages or has no effect?
IF it has no effect then lesser punishments have less effects so lets eliminate all punishment?

BY the way most humans think of death as a bad thing and seek to avoid it above all things. ONly a liberal can be so brainwashed

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Those firms have office in almost every state. They're competing across the nation.

too stupid!!! in fact liberals made interstate competition illegal starting with McCann Ferguson.

 

[Polk]

I never said punishment doesn't deter. I said the death penalty in particular doesn't deter.

notice how the liberal positions show pure ignorance or branwashing?

The death penalty doesn't deter but encourages or has no effect?
IF it has no effect then lesser punishments have less effects so lets eliminate all punishment?

BY the way most humans think of death as a bad thing and seek to avoid it above all things. ONly a liberal can be so brainwashed

The bold part of the above isn't true.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Competition creates better cars because cars aren't a necessity

too stupid but perfectly liberal !!!the more important something is the more you want life and death Republican capitalist competition to improve it!!!!

 

[Polk]

Those firms have office in almost every state. They're competing across the nation.

too stupid!!! in fact liberals made interstate competition illegal starting with McCann Ferguson.

McCann-Ferguson lets states set the standards for policies sold in their state. It doesn't prevent companies from selling policies in multiple states. Even if you "allow interstate sales", you still have the issue of which state laws apply.

 

[Polk]

Competition creates better cars because cars aren't a necessity

too stupid but perfectly liberal !!!the more important something is the more you want life and death Republican capitalist competition to improve it!!!!

Cars aren't a necessity. They're very useful, but you wouldn't die if you didn't have car.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. The health care market has a lot of asymmetry between consumers and producers, which makes the market mechanism faulty (even more so when

what would happen if consumers spent their own money and if providers competed on price and quality like in a Republican free market. Costs would come down 75%