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You lamented not taxing the rich to the point where they "contribute to the society they have worked so hard to own". So yes, you did say that, vis a vis taxes, they do not contribute. And it's interesting that, in comparing those contributions, it would take several thousand of you to equal the contributions of one, and yet it is the one that you believe does or contribute.Not a dodge, if a guy buys an apartment block and jacks up the rent while refusing to fix any of the broken pipes or electrical shorts we would call him a scumbag, just a difference in scale, they bought a country and are letting it go to blight while whining like spoiled little bitches that it is too expensive to fix a damned thing.
What percent of federal tax revenue is generated by the 1%? The ones that, according to you, contribute nothing. And how do the non-existent contributions from this class compare to your own? From a tax perspective, are we better off with you or with some rich dude?
I do alright, the economy would be much better served by several thousand more of me and my modest success than by a billionaire stashing away another chunk in the Caymans. I never said they contribute nothing, I have been making the case that simple wealth accumulation in the hands of the super rich sucks money from the economy and that taxation is the only way to insure that at least some of it makes it back into circulation, being a billionaire means you accumulate wealth but it also means you occasionally destroy large chunks of wealth with your loses, if they had not stacked the deck to make sure that others cover those loses it would not be so bad. Show me a billionaire who was not a billionaire anymore after this mess. As long as we are expected to cover their asses when the shit hits the fan they should pay big for that kind of wealth insurance.
"Contributions" my ass!
Mitt Romney is a good example of the rich and their "contributions!"
A virtual "buffet" of tax loopholes, fancy accounting tricks, and fortunes sheltered in foreign accounts so on paper it looks like they SHOULD be contributing a lot but in reality they don't.
The poor and working poor in America simply don't have the luxury of hiding what little they own from the government.
IO think we've reached the point of pointless. You're blinded by irrational envy. If you ditch the blinders, you might see that the latest crash is the product of govt., not banks. Banks playes the hand dealt. Government dealt the cards. This is not complicated. it really is not.
It's not complicated at all when you pile all the blame on the puppets seemingly in charge. Just because there is not a law against a particular kind of risky destructive behavior does not mean it is right, banks knew they were risking consumer funds on worthless crap but they did it anyway, after all, it's not like they will ever be held responsible. They pushed and lobbied to get certain rules changed that would allow them to risk the money of everyday people on a casino bet, the act of getting the laws changed to favor too big to fail places a lion's share of the blame directly on the big banks and their massive attack on the regulatory structure.
Not a dodge, if a guy buys an apartment block and jacks up the rent while refusing to fix any of the broken pipes or electrical shorts we would call him a scumbag, just a difference in scale, they bought a country and are letting it go to blight while whining like spoiled little bitches that it is too expensive to fix a damned thing.
What percent of federal tax revenue is generated by the 1%? The ones that, according to you, contribute nothing. And how do the non-existent contributions from this class compare to your own? From a tax perspective, are we better off with you or with some rich dude?
I do alright, the economy would be much better served by several thousand more of me and my modest success than by a billionaire stashing away another chunk in the Caymans. I never said they contribute nothing, I have been making the case that simple wealth accumulation in the hands of the super rich sucks money from the economy and that taxation is the only way to insure that at least some of it makes it back into circulation, being a billionaire means you accumulate wealth but it also means you occasionally destroy large chunks of wealth with your loses, if they had not stacked the deck to make sure that others cover those loses it would not be so bad. Show me a billionaire who was not a billionaire anymore after this mess. As long as we are expected to cover their asses when the shit hits the fan they should pay big for that kind of wealth insurance.
Go play in traffic and let the grown ups talk, chuckles.
Something I can never understand unless I go into my own theory, which I will not do in this thread at least.
Liberals seem to be OK with printing more money, continnuing with the debt, spending etc.
DISCLAIMER: I am not rich by any means, nor am I kissing up to them, I hate the likes of Romney no less then anyone else on this earth, so do not be judgemental.
Simple question really: what if there was a zapper which would zap liberals any time they tried to get their hands on rich/other people's money, and they would have no choice but to leave them rich alone. explain the scenario of what would happen to our nation? how could we go on? etc...
Something I can never understand unless I go into my own theory, which I will not do in this thread at least.
Liberals seem to be OK with printing more money, continnuing with the debt, spending etc.
DISCLAIMER: I am not rich by any means, nor am I kissing up to them, I hate the likes of Romney no less then anyone else on this earth, so do not be judgemental.
Simple question really: what if there was a zapper which would zap liberals any time they tried to get their hands on rich/other people's money, and they would have no choice but to leave them rich alone. explain the scenario of what would happen to our nation? how could we go on? etc...
I think it's time for a little social experiment in America.
Lets redistribute ALL the wealth so that everybody has the same amount. Kind of like a Monopoly game.
Then we simply start over from GO. Everybody has the same chances, the same funds, and the same "opportunities" to do with them what they will.
After a period of time.....say five to ten years we check to see who has "succeeded and who hasn't.
If the wealth winds up in the same place it was before then we know that "Social Darwinism" is alive and well. The rich got that way not because they were born into wealth, power, and privelege that others weren't but because of their hard work and ingenuity. As for those that don't make it then we can finally say with a clean consience "tough luck....you had your chance!"
What percent of federal tax revenue is generated by the 1%? The ones that, according to you, contribute nothing. And how do the non-existent contributions from this class compare to your own? From a tax perspective, are we better off with you or with some rich dude?
I do alright, the economy would be much better served by several thousand more of me and my modest success than by a billionaire stashing away another chunk in the Caymans. I never said they contribute nothing, I have been making the case that simple wealth accumulation in the hands of the super rich sucks money from the economy and that taxation is the only way to insure that at least some of it makes it back into circulation, being a billionaire means you accumulate wealth but it also means you occasionally destroy large chunks of wealth with your loses, if they had not stacked the deck to make sure that others cover those loses it would not be so bad. Show me a billionaire who was not a billionaire anymore after this mess. As long as we are expected to cover their asses when the shit hits the fan they should pay big for that kind of wealth insurance.
Jeebus, dude. The govt. is the one that stacked the deck for them favorably. Otherwise the GOVERNMENT woud not have bailed them out! And taxing them does not circulate money in the economy. Govt. just passes back to the mega corps through their corporatist bed sharing.
You gotta wake up, dude. You're cheering in favor fo the people that fucked us over; The government.
the federal budget INCLUDES Social security spending and medicare spending...."Contributions" my ass!
Mitt Romney is a good example of the rich and their "contributions!"
A virtual "buffet" of tax loopholes, fancy accounting tricks, and fortunes sheltered in foreign accounts so on paper it looks like they SHOULD be contributing a lot but in reality they don't.
The poor and working poor in America simply don't have the luxury of hiding what little they own from the government.
Really? Then how is it that 47 percent of Americans pay no federal income tax at all? How is it that many poor get back tax credits exceeding what they put in?
Why can't Conservatives find a way to create wealth that doesn't involve killing off the Middle Class?
Why can't Conservatives find a way to create wealth that isn't concentrated in 1% of the population?
Why can't Conservatives take The Koch's Kocks out of their mouths?
Why can't Conservatives stop pretending that they care about poor people, even though their states are consistently the poorest?
Why can't Conservatives stop lying about Obama's economic record?
Why can't Conservatives stop harping about Obama's 8.2% unemployment rate when Reagan's was about 9.4% in 1982 and 83?
Why can't Conservatives give up the fight against Social Security that they've been waging for almost 80 years?
Why can't Conservatives make up their minds whether to demonize Europe or praise them?
Why can't Conservatives stop claiming that taxation and regulation stops growth when history has shown time and again that's wrong?
Why can't Conservatives stop protecting the "sanctity" of marriage while many of their own have had multiple hetero marriages?
Can conservatives make money without the labor of liberals?
the federal budget INCLUDES Social security spending and medicare spending...."Contributions" my ass!
Mitt Romney is a good example of the rich and their "contributions!"
A virtual "buffet" of tax loopholes, fancy accounting tricks, and fortunes sheltered in foreign accounts so on paper it looks like they SHOULD be contributing a lot but in reality they don't.
The poor and working poor in America simply don't have the luxury of hiding what little they own from the government.
Really? Then how is it that 47 percent of Americans pay no federal income tax at all? How is it that many poor get back tax credits exceeding what they put in?
you need to include what that 47% pays in social security taxes and medicare taxes to know how the quin-tiles come out with their taxes....
just including income tax while not including what is paid in other federal taxes to pay for the budget is truly a misrepresentation imho. Let alone what what these people also pay in State taxes.
Why can't you stop masturbating to your life-sized cutout of Obama?Why can't Conservatives find a way to create wealth that doesn't involve killing off the Middle Class?
Why can't Conservatives find a way to create wealth that isn't concentrated in 1% of the population?
Why can't Conservatives take The Koch's Kocks out of their mouths?
Why can't Conservatives stop pretending that they care about poor people, even though their states are consistently the poorest?
Why can't Conservatives stop lying about Obama's economic record?
Why can't Conservatives stop harping about Obama's 8.2% unemployment rate when Reagan's was about 9.4% in 1982 and 83?
Why can't Conservatives give up the fight against Social Security that they've been waging for almost 80 years?
Why can't Conservatives make up their minds whether to demonize Europe or praise them?
Why can't Conservatives stop claiming that taxation and regulation stops growth when history has shown time and again that's wrong?
Why can't Conservatives stop protecting the "sanctity" of marriage while many of their own have had multiple hetero marriages?
I do alright, the economy would be much better served by several thousand more of me and my modest success than by a billionaire stashing away another chunk in the Caymans. I never said they contribute nothing, I have been making the case that simple wealth accumulation in the hands of the super rich sucks money from the economy and that taxation is the only way to insure that at least some of it makes it back into circulation, being a billionaire means you accumulate wealth but it also means you occasionally destroy large chunks of wealth with your loses, if they had not stacked the deck to make sure that others cover those loses it would not be so bad. Show me a billionaire who was not a billionaire anymore after this mess. As long as we are expected to cover their asses when the shit hits the fan they should pay big for that kind of wealth insurance.
Jeebus, dude. The govt. is the one that stacked the deck for them favorably. Otherwise the GOVERNMENT woud not have bailed them out! And taxing them does not circulate money in the economy. Govt. just passes back to the mega corps through their corporatist bed sharing.
You gotta wake up, dude. You're cheering in favor fo the people that fucked us over; The government.
I am not cheering in favor of anything. I am well aware that the government is a corrupt, wholly owned subsidiary of the MIC and Wall Street but at the same time it is the only mechanism we have to get a handle on them. Do you have another way to force the big banks into being something other than a massive wealth drain on the world?
Why can't Conservatives find a way to create wealth that doesn't involve killing off the Middle Class?
Why can't Conservatives find a way to create wealth that isn't concentrated in 1% of the population?
Why can't Conservatives take The Koch's Kocks out of their mouths?
Why can't Conservatives stop pretending that they care about poor people, even though their states are consistently the poorest?
Why can't Conservatives stop lying about Obama's economic record?
Why can't Conservatives stop harping about Obama's 8.2% unemployment rate when Reagan's was about 9.4% in 1982 and 83?
Why can't Conservatives give up the fight against Social Security that they've been waging for almost 80 years?
Why can't Conservatives make up their minds whether to demonize Europe or praise them?
Why can't Conservatives stop claiming that taxation and regulation stops growth when history has shown time and again that's wrong?
Why can't Conservatives stop protecting the "sanctity" of marriage while many of their own have had multiple hetero marriages?
1) That does not happen now... Businesses and business owners need the skillset of the middle class workers, and more middle class branch off into small business to provide things to the larger companies and those who have more monies to spend
2) Do you find ways to create wealth for others instead of yourself?? Do you earn for you or just to hand over to others first??
3) Idiot question... but then again, all of your questions, stances, and statements are idiotic
4) False premise... caring does not mean you aspire to support unequal treatment under law and it does not mean that you support forced charity
5) Obama's record needs no lies to talk about it negatively... it is a horrible economic record.. well, that is unless you cherry pick numbers, rely on bullshit unprovable criteria such as 'jobs saved', or continue to push blame on people from 3 1/2 years ago
6) Don't forget also that the labor force participation rate (which you tend to forget) stayed pretty stead under Reagan during those hard times... while it has declined under Obama... thus showing the jobs situation is worse than what would appear in this current administration.. contrary to what they want you to think
7) Because forced participation in a program that is continually raped for slush fund spending is not a good thing.... many would love to have the freedom to invest those same monies all on their own for their own retirement and easily outperform the ROI of SS
8) Unknown what you mean here.. demonizing more socialist style systems of government, governments that insist on taxing at rates well above 50% in total in redistribution schemes is indeed horse shit.. but it does not mean that the people of Europe are all bad..
9) Your premise is an outright lie... you nor ANYONE has ever shown that higher taxes causes growth... you continually confuse coincidence and causation
10) Going off on a tangent again to try and paint a picture that just is not inherently so...
11) You are a fucking idiot troll
Hope that clears things up for everyone
Why can't you stop masturbating to your life-sized cutout of Obama?Why can't Conservatives find a way to create wealth that doesn't involve killing off the Middle Class?
Why can't Conservatives find a way to create wealth that isn't concentrated in 1% of the population?
Why can't Conservatives take The Koch's Kocks out of their mouths?
Why can't Conservatives stop pretending that they care about poor people, even though their states are consistently the poorest?
Why can't Conservatives stop lying about Obama's economic record?
Why can't Conservatives stop harping about Obama's 8.2% unemployment rate when Reagan's was about 9.4% in 1982 and 83?
Why can't Conservatives give up the fight against Social Security that they've been waging for almost 80 years?
Why can't Conservatives make up their minds whether to demonize Europe or praise them?
Why can't Conservatives stop claiming that taxation and regulation stops growth when history has shown time and again that's wrong?
Why can't Conservatives stop protecting the "sanctity" of marriage while many of their own have had multiple hetero marriages?
