Why Bachman was Right About the Gay Myth

[JDzBrain]

Oh, and I wondered if anyone else would notice that was our president looking like the pivot man at a circle jerk in that picture!

Looks like it's way of life with the guy!

 

[francoHFW]

Too bad- bigots lose. Haha.

 

[theunbubba]

My question. Why should it matter if it is 3% or 10% or 25%?

the economy sucks just as much for gay folks right now as it does for straight folks. Maybe they'll be happy that they can't get thrown out of the military thanks to Obama right now, (although most of the people thrown out under DADT outed themselves when they found out their recruiters lied about the color TV's) .

Our real problem is that the economy sucks and the middle class is disappearing and China is creeping up in our rear view mirror (objects are closer than they appear).

I want to hear what these guys are going to do about that. Most of it seems to be kow-towing to our new Overlords.

This is the sort of thing we should be upset about.

Not to mention that because there is some claim that 11% of males are gay doesn't mean that 10% of the population is gay.

Does Bachman think all people are male?

No chuckles, you've got that backwards. She's talking about the leftist myth that 10% are gay, not her personal belief that 10% are gay. Because she said that it's a myth.
Maybe you should take a reading comprehension course or something?

 

[theunbubba]

Too bad- bigots lose. Haha.

You are an idiot and your signature proves it.

 

[Steelplate]

Bachman told a gay supporter the other day that the factoid that 10% of the total population is gay is a myth, and people have been slamming her for being wrong on the topic. The media seems to simply presume the myth Bachman referred to is correct without discussion and referenced Kinsey's research to support their presumption.

The fact is that Kinsey's research support Bachman's claim. According to Kinsey, about 11% of males engage in K3+ sexual behavior which is basically bisexuals and those tending more toward exclusive homosexuality. What places one in this category is if one has engaged in that type of behavior for 3 or more years of their adult lives. So one could be exclusivley heterosexual in behavior from the age of 16 to 25, experiment with bisexuality from the age of 26 to 28, then go back to being exclusively heterosexual the rest of your life and you are still classified by Kinsy as bisexual or K3. Kinsey's research also showed that people driftin in and out of a sexual behavior category and into others for their entire lives.

Since gay advocates claim that 10% of the population is gay and people are born exclusively gay for their whole life, basically Kinsey's research refutes that completely.

So Bachman is once again correct, her critics imbeciles and all that is 'situation normal'.

As to Kinsey's research, it has been proven that he used a data sample that included about 25% felons, which should surprise no one that for at least three years 11% of those in his survey engaged in homosexual behavior. That is simply a thing that happens in prison. His defenders admitted to the data sampling error, but claimed later to have removed the felon derived data and still ended up with the same results. For that to be true, then one would have to accept that the prison population is no more likely to engage in homosexual behavior than the general population which is preposterous.

Also, Kinsey used volunteer data, which by its very nature opens one up to self selection bias.

So it is extremely likely that Kinsey's numbers are exagerated by several factors.

I wont even go into moral questions regarding his surveying people he knew to be active pedophiles but not reporting them to the police, and his own bias in his research as he was bisexual himself.

I will encourage you to do some research on what being homosexual was like in 1948, when this study was first published. Homosexuality was considered to be a mental illness, until 1973. People were jailed for "homosexual relations". Undoubtedly, gays, lesbians, and bisexuals were lynched or murdered. (hey it still goes on, so there's no question that it was happening then.) Police would pull up to gay bars in paddywagons and arrest most of the men in the bar. In some states, sodomy is still on the books as illegal.

And so....with all this information (knowing that you might be arrested, murdered, placed in a psych hospital)...would you have been open about your sexuality in the 1940's?

Does anyone else think that Kinsey's study might be a bit dated to pertain to now?

Except people have examined Kinsey's study, which is the source for the 10% myth, and discovered that they over-counted dramatically, including for example prison inmates.
The truth is the gay population is about 3%.

Ok.... suppose it is 3%.... so? What's your point? That 3% of the people don't deserve their rights?

So much for protecting the minority against the tyranny of the majority. I love the way Conservatives continually throw the Constitution around like it's a wrecking ball, but then are so willing to throw it out the window when it involves an issue they don't like.... hypocrites.

 

[Sallow]

My question. Why should it matter if it is 3% or 10% or 25%?

the economy sucks just as much for gay folks right now as it does for straight folks. Maybe they'll be happy that they can't get thrown out of the military thanks to Obama right now, (although most of the people thrown out under DADT outed themselves when they found out their recruiters lied about the color TV's) .

Our real problem is that the economy sucks and the middle class is disappearing and China is creeping up in our rear view mirror (objects are closer than they appear).

I want to hear what these guys are going to do about that. Most of it seems to be kow-towing to our new Overlords.

This is the sort of thing we should be upset about.

I have no problem with a young man bowing to an elderly statesman. I do have a problem with the president swapping spit with an Arab prince.

How about when poppa had to hurl because of valium and martinis..

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[Sallow]

To the white wing, all Asians look the same. They don't have a lot of experience with "ethnics".

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbwPu_LuTZs]Rosie O'Donnell ching chong - YouTube[/ame]

What's Rosie running for?

 

[Poli_Sigh]

Why does it figure, in a nation where millions of families are losing their homes, more miilions are jobless, 1 out of 5 children lives at poverty level (there's a stat for you) and our life style is circling the porcelain bowl - leave it to a moron like Bachmann to go ape shit about the percentage of gays in the country.

As a woman, she is embarrassment. As a woman in politics she is an aberration on so many levels it is really difficult to know where to start. Bachmann along with Palin proves one thing beyond doubt, Republicans have difficulty attracting intelligent women to represent the Party - hell lately they don't seem able to attract many intelligent men either.

 

[JimBowie1958]

What's the point? Is there a minimum percentage you have to get to if you're in a minority before you get equal rights in this country?

Gays have exactly the same rights as anyone else in this country. We've been through this a dozen times and no one has shown what rights they are missing.

Yes, it's been repeated so often, and many have told you of the rights that gays don't have.

Exept the typical list of whines I have seen are not about rights denied but privileges.

There is no right to marry, there is no right to serve in the military.

What these jerks are really demanding is approval from the rest of society and were it not for the neocons controling the GOP, this controversy would have been over twenty years ago.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Too bad- bigots lose. Haha.

Yes, they do, but unfortunately for you, you dont realize that you are the bigot here.

 

[JimBowie1958]

This is funny.

Ok.... suppose it is 3%.... so? What's your point? That 3% of the people don't deserve their rights?

Here you leap to an unwarranted conclusion that absolutely NO ONE has suggested, and then...

So much for protecting the minority against the tyranny of the majority. I love the way Conservatives continually throw the Constitution around like it's a wrecking ball, but then are so willing to throw it out the window when it involves an issue they don't like.... hypocrites.

...you argue against your own presumption.

That is a combination of 'straw man', 'red herring' and 'unwarranted assertion' fallacies all rolled into one big lump of steaming jack-ass shyte.

Congratulations for posting the clearest shining example of how stupid Democrats have sunk to in pursuit of political correctness.

 

[Seawytch]

Gays have exactly the same rights as anyone else in this country. We've been through this a dozen times and no one has shown what rights they are missing.

Yes, it's been repeated so often, and many have told you of the rights that gays don't have.

Exept the typical list of whines I have seen are not about rights denied but privileges.

There is no right to marry, there is no right to serve in the military.

What these jerks are really demanding is approval from the rest of society and were it not for the neocons controling the GOP, this controversy would have been over twenty years ago.

The Supreme Court of the United States of America has declared that marriage is a fundamental right on no less than three occasions. Those cases were:

Loving v Virginia (1967)
Zablocki v Wisconsin (1978)
Turner v Safley (1987)

It is, indeed, a privilege, not a right, to serve in the United States Armed Forces. All serving military members should be serving under the exact same rules and regulations though don't you think?

 

[daveman]

To the white wing, all Asians look the same. They don't have a lot of experience with "ethnics".

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbwPu_LuTZs]Rosie O'Donnell ching chong - YouTube[/ame]

What's Rosie running for?

Diversion. Derp's talking about the entire right wing. The entire right wing is not running for office.

Your desperate attempt to distract attention from O'Donnell's bigotry failed.

 

[JDzBrain]

The Supreme Court of the United States of America has declared that marriage is a fundamental right on no less than three occasions.

Huh...and that would be called what...oh yeah, legislating from the bench!

NOT the SC's job!

 

[bodecea]

What's the point? Is there a minimum percentage you have to get to if you're in a minority before you get equal rights in this country?

Only for the size queens.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Yes, it's been repeated so often, and many have told you of the rights that gays don't have.

Exept the typical list of whines I have seen are not about rights denied but privileges.

There is no right to marry, there is no right to serve in the military.

What these jerks are really demanding is approval from the rest of society and were it not for the neocons controling the GOP, this controversy would have been over twenty years ago.

The Supreme Court of the United States of America has declared that marriage is a fundamental right on no less than three occasions. Those cases were:

Loving v Virginia (1967)
Zablocki v Wisconsin (1978)
Turner v Safley (1987)

Then the Supreme Court is WRONG. There is nothing in the Constitution or legislated law that makes marriage a right, or else states sould not be able to deny it to ANYONE that wants to marry ANYONE else, be it with children, animals, groups or what have you.

Jumping Jimminy Cricket, you talk like you have never heard of the Dred Scott decision. Like that got changed this marriage bullshit will get changed too.

 

[geauxtohell]

What's the point? Is there a minimum percentage you have to get to if you're in a minority before you get equal rights in this country?

The Amish are really screwed.

We don't even give them the right to drive cars or wear colors!

 

[bodecea]

Gays have exactly the same rights as anyone else in this country. We've been through this a dozen times and no one has shown what rights they are missing.

Yes, it's been repeated so often, and many have told you of the rights that gays don't have.

Exept the typical list of whines I have seen are not about rights denied but privileges.

There is no right to marry, there is no right to serve in the military.

What these jerks are really demanding is approval from the rest of society and were it not for the neocons controling the GOP, this controversy would have been over twenty years ago.

You sound like the British telling the Colonists to stop whining.

You sound like the Southern Whites telling the Blacks to stop whining.

You sound like the men telling the women to stop whining.

You sound like the White men telling the Native Americans to stop whining.

You sound like the Healthy telling the Handicapped to stop whining.

 

[pvsi.]

Why Bachman was Right About the Gay Myth

Michelle Obachman ever being popualar is a MYTH

 

[JDzBrain]

You sound like the British telling the Colonists to stop whining.

You sound like the Southern Whites telling the Blacks to stop whining.

You sound like the men telling the women to stop whining.

You sound like the White men telling the Native Americans to stop whining.

You sound like the Healthy telling the Handicapped to stop whining.

You sound like Neville Chamberlain who told the Brits "There will be peace in our time," just before Hitler started bombing them to stop whining.

You sound like Abraham Lincoln telling southern states that they don't have the right to pass abolition in their own time as SOME northern states had or black men telling more qualified white men who were passed over for promotion for affirmative hiring practices to stop whining.

You sound like women telling men that they don't have any say in the heath of an unborn child that requires as much of their DNA as the woman's to stop whining.

You sound like billionaire Native Americans telling Americans they don't have to pay taxes on gaming income earned by duping American citizens, but that Americans still have to support the tribe with tax dollars to stop whining.

You sound like...ah hell, you sound like a whiner that's unable to accept reality and just wants to use revised and out of context historical events to inflict your notion of "social justice" on the rest of us...whether we want it or not!