Why are Republicans in favor of torture?

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    Give a good read to this, my friends.

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22201&page=1&pp=15

    As far as the last response there, from GunnyL, is concerned, here it is. I hope you all have calculators and memories and a desire to read the above referenced thread.


    "Let's see, you aren't picking on me; yet, you question just about everything about me from my education to my combat experience. Your eloquence doesn't hide your condescending attitude, and you can trust me, it IS unwarranted.

    You also went through a long, drawn-out story of NOT saying just how you managed 40 years of service.

    The bad news for your snap assessment is that I HAVE been in combat, and my seniors did not question my intelligence, judgement, leaderships skills, morals, my technical proficiency, nor generally anything but my serious lack of tact.

    While I could never have enough education, I have enough to get me by in this life if I choose to not pursue it. You however, are seriously lacking in a good dose of REALITY.

    Your holier-than-thou idealism just gets people killed. Simple as that. You hamstring OUR troops with your lofty rules. If the enemy isn't expoliting them, they're sneering at them.

    Superpower? You sling that word like it's supposed to mean something. We're only super when we start dropping nukes. Otherwise, it's still our army against a bunch of murdering scumbag terrorists who should be hunted down like the dogs they are and hurried on their way to Allah.

    Since you claim to be a Vietnam vet, I would think that you would have learned fighting an unconventional war with conventional forces isn't the ideal way to get the trophy, now is it?"


    No, I don't doubt your education, GunnyL. I made an observation of your attitude and I somehow attribute it to a faulty, in my own opinion and as a decorated veteran myself, educational system. I don't doubt your combat experience either. From reading your own statements concerning combat related events, I doubt that you ever caught on to the fact that as Americans we are actually bigger than torture, although it still happens within our forces, murder, although you might call it collateral damage or lies, as they are used by politicians to promote military interventionism that they find useful to their own designs. I could go on and on here, but I think,hope, you get my point.

    I've given several fairly detailed desciptions of my military service, none of which total 40 years (that's a distraction used by a few of the posters here that have no idea) in this USMessage Board forum. It's a sham created by whom? I really don't know and I really don't give a heck. Do your own research.

    I'm sure your seniors did all that you say. Mine did as well at least as far as my missions were concerned. And yes, like me, you have a lack of tact. Coupled with your parroting of false claims it doesn't take much to realize that your credibility is around zero.

    It's not my fault that you have not pursued education, and I agree that you have enough to get you by in this life. I could've done better and still can. And I do better whenever and wherever I get the chance. I continue to believe that both of us are not "all-knowing".

    Where do you get the "holier-than-thou" idealism thing? From what source did that parroting come from? I'm no better or worse than you. But I am your equal, under the laws of God and under the laws of this nation. You might want to quarrel with that. That's your right, but is it right?

    Superpower? I ain't going into this with you at this time. Your comments are evidence enough that you have no idea as to the superiority of American Forces and what that might mean from an international standpoint. Rome had the same thoughts, as did Genghis Khan, and Hitler, and a few thousand more historical world domination inspired. Historically, WAR is a loser everytime, eventually. War leads to other wars. Damn, I'm on a history lesson again and you told me that you already knew, I apologize for my indulgence.

    Yes, I claim to be a Viet Nam Vet because I am a Viet Nam Vet. I also claim to be damn proud of my service. And I also reserve the right to voice my opinions and cast an honest vote for whomever I choose to have earned it. And I'll go a little further, I earned my rights the hard way and I have little respect for those that avoid and continue to avoid service to their country and the American way of life that I have many times placed in jeapardy my own life to protect. I wasn't simply born with any rights, or so I was taught. But as an American, I did my best to protect the rights of humankind and those of my countrymen as well as my own AS AN AMERICAN. GOD didn't send me to war. America did. Maybe that's where we differ?

    Psychoblues
     
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    Running gun battle between Gunny and Psycho aside....

    I often hear that NO war is justified or as Psycho puts it "war is a loser everytime". That raises the question (in my mind at least) what would those who make such statements have done about Hitler/Ghengis Khan et al??? Obviously appeasement and diplomacy did not work in the case of WW II and Hitler. So what (hypothetically speaking) would have prevented WW II? In reply, please try to refrain from hindsight, i.e. dont tell me the Treaty of Versaille should never have happened....it did....so go from there.
     
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    OK, so where do you draw the parallels between Hitler, World War II and Ghengis Khan? I draw them at world domination aspirations, period. I suppose you have other parallels that you would be kind enough to share?

    I have no running gun battle with Gunny, CSM, but if you insist, fire your best shots.

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    Ok it is obvious you are just looking for a fight. I was seriously asking what does one do about those with "world domination aspirations" as you put it once their intentions become clear.....

    As for my kindness....I have none. As for firing a shot...why should I waste my ammo on the likes of you?
     
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    I'd say chalk that up as a non-answer, CSM. Surprise!
     
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    Not surprised at all. Typical post from a troll...try to overwhelm us with arrogance and their self perceived higher intelligence. When pressed, they dissapate like so much fog in bright sunshine....no substance at all.
     
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    explain how this thread is different than the thread you linked to?
     
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    I don't see where anything you said in your opening post even pertains to torture.

    If you want a battle with people, cool.

    But here is a question. I don't know if you are married..or kids.....so let's assume you have a child.

    Heaven forbid, someone kidnaps your child. He/She is buried with a limited amount of oxygen. The authorities have caught the person responsible but he/she is not cooperating.

    Time is running out.

    Is there anything you would NOT allow the authorities to do to find out where your child is?

    Let's add to this....suppose the "bad guy" was Muslim. Would you tell the authorities to do anything they wanted except something disrespectful to his religion (a la' Gitmo)?

    I have a feeling you would be right next him, pulling his fingernails out one by one......
     
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    Clearly he/she would make every attempt to 'understand' why they took his child. I mean, in order to solve the crisis, he'd have to know the perspective the kidnappers hold against him. It's only by coming to the global table of LOVE and PEACE that the poor victimized kidnappers would be able to share their issues, and receive affirmation.

    :-/

    I HATE People sometimes..

    My prayer:
    My God...what are your people becoming?
     
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    Psycho smacks of Lt Kerry...I respect his limited combat service and rank..but by no means the man he has become...end of story! :2guns:
     

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