Why are Left & Right so hard to reconcile?

[Beelzebub]

I saw this:

You can't shame conservatives by exposing their hypocrisy; they are in a cult and cults require lockstep obedience at ALL costs, including the cost of being hypocritical.

Is one side evil? Or do both have good points, which the other fails to see?


How about this as a theory of mind.

Thought you might like this as a theory to explain it:



PS:
Thank you NYcarbineer.

 

[Katzndogz]

There is no point on which reconciliation can be reached. There are no more points of compromise.

 

[deltex1]

I saw this:

You can't shame conservatives by exposing their hypocrisy; they are in a cult and cults require lockstep obedience at ALL costs, including the cost of being hypocritical.

Is one side evil? Or do both have good points, which the other fails to see?


How about this as a theory of mind.

Thought you might like this as a theory to explain it:



PS:
Thank you NYcarbineer.

Any friend of carbineer is immediately suspect. You might as well ask the same question of mens and womens...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Brother and sister. They only unite when it's time to fight with the kids next door. The father of the Neocons has a theory of society based on that idea. You need an enemy otherwise you fight amongst yourselves. See: Leo Strauss.

He also explains why religion is necessary but that the leaders of the nation shouldn't believe such nonsense, just pretend to for the good of national unity.

 

[natstew]

Reconciliation with a Liberal is when I piss on their grave.

 

[srlip]

because both are stupid/arrogant/lazy/tyrannical

 

[Katzndogz]

Brother and sister. They only unite when it's time to fight with the kids next door. The father of the Neocons has a theory of society based on that idea. You need an enemy otherwise you fight amongst yourselves. See: Leo Strauss.

He also explains why religion is necessary but that the leaders of the nation shouldn't believe such nonsense, just pretend to for the good of national unity.

I would not count on the loyalty of siblings. For one thing we no longer have a national family. It's more like a homeowner living with shatters stealing from him.

 

[Beelzebub]

Wow!

The lack of enquiring minds here is amazing!

Did NOBODY watch the presentation? Did no one see anything useful in it?

You guys are so polarised you should all freeze to popcicles.

 

[Mac1958]

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Hyper-narcissism. On both sides.

Exacerbated by the division pimps. On both sides.

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[Little-Acorn]

Did NOBODY watch the presentation?

An 18-minute video with no explanation?

Of course not.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Why are Left & Right so hard to reconcile?

Why are people who rob banks, so hard to reconcile with people who do normal withdrawls and deposits?

Surely they can find a middle ground.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Two conflicting ideologies... one assumes that as humans we have certain rights that cannot be abridged. The other assumes that the state is authorized to do whatever necessary in the name of the common good (however loosely defined).

These two ways of thinking can never be reconciled.

 

[ClosedCaption]

There is no point on which reconciliation can be reached. There are no more points of compromise.

^^ This is why

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

There is no point on which reconciliation can be reached. There are no more points of compromise.

^^ This is why

Not everyone compromises that in which they firmly believe.

 

[srlip]

what compromise is possible between a robber and his victim? give the robber only part of your money, or only shoot the robber in the knee, instead of in the guts, as he so richly deserves?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Wow!

The lack of enquiring minds here is amazing!

Did NOBODY watch the presentation? Did no one see anything useful in it?

You guys are so polarised you should all freeze to popcicles.

The people who tend to gravitate toward political messages often have a political ax to grind. Yes, posters here are largely galvanized into "camps." But that's not as extreme when you get out into the real world.

Here, you will get bitter debate even on why the extreme sides of ideologies are so divided. In times past - when statesmanship was a common trait among our leaders - they understood that fostering hate and division was bad for America. These days, if it means scaring up some more campaign donations, our "leaders" are all too satisfied to screw over America in order to maintain their positions of power.

Making matters worse, the "information age" allows the devotees to gather their information from sources that give them a one-sided view. Living in that types of echo chamber prevents these devotees from listening respectfully to any differing viewpoints.

But even with all those forces tugging them toward extremism, most Americans are still relatively moderate in their views. Don't let the strident, vitriolic tone of these boards get you down. The vast majority of Americans still know how to discuss and listen to each other.

Just MHO.

 

[Plasmaball]

There is no point on which reconciliation can be reached. There are no more points of compromise.

^^ This is why

Not everyone compromises that in which they firmly believe.

You've been trained very well..

The real answer is kinda long winded. From the media to the internet. To the fringe pushing their agendas. To the sensationalism of the headlines. That is why you see people drawing lines in the sand. They have been pushed slowly towards what we have now. The other side is the enemy, evil, end wording etc.
Everyone is a hitler now and we don't comprise with hitlers. People have also found now they don't have to back down because there are no consequences for their actions or opinions. Everyone's opinion is now valid and should be given the time to think over.
The reality is not every opinion is valid and we should ignore the extreme on both sides..we are literally destroying everything because we can't be seen as weak.
See Obama and the gov. Of new jersey who's name escapes me. They put politics aside because of a hurricane and the right found that offensive. They put politics above the common goal of helping people..The left does this as well.. they will shun someone if they agree with the right on something.

It's sad.

 

[Erand7899]

The video was an interesting essay, but that is about as far as it goes. An excellent example of drawing erroneous conclusions from vague and incomplete data sets.

Common sense tells us that people who share the same religion, the same language, and the same moral values, will get along better and cooperate more fully, than a diverse people, all wanting to go different directions, and have widely different goals. And, that is mainly why you find a diverse people living in clusters, and not really communicating well with other clusters. The confort zone is a basic human need.

A good leader recognizes the reality of basic human needs, while seeking out the common interests of all of the clusters, and using those common interests to forge cooperation. A not so good leader seeks out the differences and exploits those differences to gain power and influence, but in so doing, destroys the cooperation necessary to bring all people along.

And, that is why conservatives and liberals do not agree on most issues. Conservatives see society as a collection of individuals, while liberals see society as a collection of clusters and/or groups.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Liberals are a plague on this nation so there is no reason to meet them half way. Exterminate their ideology, period.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Liberals are a plague on this nation so there is no reason to meet them half way. Exterminate their ideology, period.

^^and because of this