Why Are Gun Shows So Crowded?

[M14 Shooter]

I bought a gun at a gun show last weekend - and I walked home with it. There was a background check done and I have a concealed weapon permit so there was no waiting period - the background check was done on-line and took about ten minutes.

None of the people I know who bought guns and took them home in the last couple months had any concealed weapon permits or anything else -- one of them was buying his first gun! There was no delay or anything. They paid, they walked out with the guns.

No, pretty much anyone can and does walk into gun shows and walk out with however many guns they can afford. That's why the Columbine killers bought their arms at a gun show, of course. They were underage. It was easier than going to a gun shop. Though given they got this girl to front for them, who knows, maybe they could have gone to a shop, but they'd have had to wait a week or whatever and then come back, with her.

Federal law requires all licensed dealers to run a background check for every sale, regardless of where the sale takes place.
Why do you contrinue to ignore a irrefutable fact?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Then they bought their guns from private citizens and not a licensed dealer.
Licensed dealers have to perform the background checks.
I hope your friends are not criminals......

Nope, that's the whole point of gun shows. People walk in, plunk down their money, go home with a gun. Why else would the dealers show up at gun shows? No point to them if they couldn't sell.

The guys who bought the guns -- from regular dealers with tables set up as usual --- were solid citizens, and they could hardly walk around at all, both gun shows were so crowded with other solid citizens (or whatever........) buying guns, guns, guns.

I love this. I had not expected to be the expert on gun shows here!!!! But some of you don't seem to know how it works.

Federal law requires all licensed dealers to run a background check for every sale, regardless of where the sale takes place.
Why do you continue to ignore this irrefutable fact?

 

[MikeK]

How 'bout you check with the Koreatown merchants, whose businesses were sacked and burned during the LA riots, what they think about this "cooling off period"?

Don't ignore those Koreans whose businesses were not sacked and burned during those riots -- because they knew how to avoid that and they have the personal courage to act on what they know.

This is a photo of just some Korean merchants who held off the marauding mobs by letting them know they weren't going to stand by peacefully and tolerate any violence against them or their property and livelihoods. Bottom line is the mobs avoided them. Gave them a wide berth.

Can't help but respect and admire them. Honest, decent, armed citizens!

 

[MikeK]

It's easier to get a gun at a gun show than a gun shop from what I understand?

The gun lobby has a good thing going pushing that paranoia too....

As if an ak47, handgun, riffle or shotgun can truly hold back the MILITARY from "coming to get ya!" BOO!

That is a defeatist attitude and it resides in the same category as the admonitions issued by Tories to those Colonials who first proposed armed resistance to the British. As far as the Loyalists were concerned there was no way a bunch of armed rebels could stand up to the British Regulars, who then were known as the most powerful fighting force in the world.

I'm not proposing a Red Dawn scenario. But rather than back down from a bully it is best to let him know that even though he probably will win the fight you are capable of drawing blood.

 

[Bigfoot]

Lots of psychos wanting to get their guns before they're required to show that they are stable?

Very unwittingly, you have quite aptly demosntrated why more people have been buying more guns.

You are agreeing that the huge crowds at gun shows -- and this is really happening, there has been media coverage of it, too -- is psychos wanting to get guns before they have to "show they are stable," I suppose you are meaning before better checks start up?

That's a very pessimistic point of view, I would think --- surely there can't be THAT many people who have official crazyperson records?

Lordie, I hope that's not why, that every psycho in the country is crowding in to buy guns as fast as they can so they can all go on shooting sprees. Naaaaaah, something else has to be going on. I hope.

I didn't realize this was The Clean Debate Zone so edit and I sent a PM to this wannabe game player.

 

[MikeK]

They're not psychos, they're concerned that something's wrong when Congress goes after Amendment 2 to decimate American civil liberties of self-defense against an aggressive, armed criminal community that has no compunctions about breaking into other people's homes and killing for stolen goods if they have to with a little rape thrown in for the more egregious of the idiots in the armed robbery and cat burglar in the hot houses category. (a hot house is thief slang for a home with occupants known to be inside when burgling is initiated)

Ok, that's your opinion. Mine differs slightly.

In my opinion only psychos voted for obama.

I didn't vote for Obama so much as I voted against the Republicans, who are the party of the corporatist elite and the rising plutocracy. While I don't think Obama is anywhere near as good a President as he promised to be, and could be if he were not on the side of Wall Street, I believe he is 100% better than Bush -- and generally better for America than McCain would have been.

I should tell you I was a registered Republican for many years. But having seen the direction that party has taken I re-registered in 2003. I would have registered Independent but there is no Independent Party in New Jersey and I wish to vote in primaries. At present I would define my political posture as Progressive Socialist because I believe such an influence is necessary to restore the middle class to its dominant status.

What is pertinent to this discussion, in spite of my political orientation I am strongly pro-gun.

 

[MikeK]

This is either a lie or abject ignorance, as dealers have to follow the same laws wherever and whenever they sell a gun.

I'll go with abject ignorance...Sarah isn't prone to lying.

Most people aren't - but it is pretty clear that most people pushing gun control -are- exceedingly unaware of the laws surrounding and the particulars involving fireams.

Over the years I've observed that most anti-gun protagonists either know nothing about guns, are afraid of them, or aren't inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- or all three.

 

[Missourian]

I bought a gun at a gun show last weekend - and I walked home with it. There was a background check done and I have a concealed weapon permit so there was no waiting period - the background check was done on-line and took about ten minutes.

None of the people I know who bought guns and took them home in the last couple months had any concealed weapon permits or anything else -- one of them was buying his first gun! There was no delay or anything. They paid, they walked out with the guns.

No, pretty much anyone can and does walk into gun shows and walk out with however many guns they can afford. That's why the Columbine killers bought their arms at a gun show, of course. They were underage. It was easier than going to a gun shop. Though given they got this girl to front for them, who knows, maybe they could have gone to a shop, but they'd have had to wait a week or whatever and then come back, with her.

Q: Why do gun grabbers feel the need to lie?

A: Because the truth doesn't support their agenda.

Neither of the Columbine killers purchased a firearm at the gun show...the 18 year old girlfriend did...and she could have passed a background check...so this is hogwash.

When you lie, or present falsehoods as facts, it undermines your credibility...

For anyone who read this and excepted it as fact, remember...question everything.

 

[Circe]

Our local paper just ran a front-page story on how crowded last Sunday's gun show was. That the entire town was parked up solid; that people had to wait in long lines to get in; that a fire marshall stood there with a clicker to keep the number inside below the maximum rated capacity.

It occurs to me that it is very sad that a widespread public response to a crazy person shooting lots of small children is that lots of people go buy more guns.

 

[Bigfoot]

Our local paper just ran a front-page story on how crowded last Sunday's gun show was. That the entire town was parked up solid; that people had to wait in long lines to get in; that a fire marshall stood there with a clicker to keep the number inside below the maximum rated capacity.

It occurs to me that it is very sad that a widespread public response to a crazy person shooting lots of small children is that lots of people go buy more guns.

Nah, Obama is just great for sales! I mean he is good, none like him.

 

[Missourian]

Our local paper just ran a front-page story on how crowded last Sunday's gun show was. That the entire town was parked up solid; that people had to wait in long lines to get in; that a fire marshall stood there with a clicker to keep the number inside below the maximum rated capacity.

It occurs to me that it is very sad that a widespread public response to a crazy person shooting lots of small children is that lots of people go buy more guns.

It occurs to me that they are responding to an knee jerk reaction that attacks their constitutional rights, a reaction to one crazy person.

It's sad that gun grabbers salivate in their basements over news articles...waiting in anticipation to use any means to further their agenda.

How long are you planning to use the actions of a mentally ill gunman and the bodies of his victims as a bludgeon to disarm law abiding citizens?

How long are you planning to pound this drum you've constructed by stretching the skins of innocent victims over your agenda, and beat with their bones?

The crime and the criminal make me sick in my heart...but using it to attempt to disparage law abiding gun owners, makes me sick to my stomach.

It's disgusting, as are it's perpetrators.