Why are corporations evil?

[uscitizen]

Seimens is a US corporation?

 

[editec]

With events the last few days it's very clear that some people thing corporations are the face of evil in the world. Why?

What is it that makes corporations so much worse than LLCs, Partnerships, sole proprietorship?

Also, what's so evil about profits? Why is it wrong for companies of any size and shape actually producing a profit?

They're not evil.

They're just cockroaches doing what cockroaches do.

Coproations are completely amoral legal entities whose only mission is to increase net worth.

That's their job.

The evil that they do they do (mostly) with the consent of our goverment.

And since we have granted them the right to petition our goverment with money, they are living up to their code of conduct by perverting our democracy in order that they can increase their net worth.

The flaw is not in corporations, but in the laws we have (or do not have) to keep their cockroach like behavior from destroying us.

Whose fault is that?

People who imagine that the value system of cockroaches is something that we should all aspire to, that's who.

 

[RodISHI]

Seimens is a US corporation?

Not that I know of. It is a German company that had some facilities here in the US.

 

[RodISHI]

With events the last few days it's very clear that some people thing corporations are the face of evil in the world. Why?

What is it that makes corporations so much worse than LLCs, Partnerships, sole proprietorship?

Also, what's so evil about profits? Why is it wrong for companies of any size and shape actually producing a profit?

They're not evil.

They're just cockroaches doing what cockroaches do.

Coproations are completely amoral legal entities whose only mission is to increase net worth.

That's their job.

The evil that they do they do (mostly) with the consent of our goverment.

And since we have granted them the right to petition our goverment with money, they are living up to their code of conduct by perverting our democracy in order that they can increase their net worth.

The flaw is not in corporations, but in the laws we have (or do not have) to keep their cockroach like behavior from destroying us.

Whose fault is that?It goes directly onto the legislators in the country whether they be local, state or federal.

People who imagine that the value system of cockroaches is something that we should all aspire to, that's who.

If laws are not enforced they are of no effect. That happens in many cases also.

Kmart, Enron, Tyco International Inc., and list list goes on and on of activities of corporates that have broken the law and stripped savings of those unaware of what is going down. Even if indictments are handed down prosecution is not a sure thing. Many small investors go completely broke or die even before ever recovering from their losses.

Well worth reading.
A financial history of modern U.S ... - Google Books

 

[Jay Canuck]

"A corporation today can have an infinite lifespan. It doesn't fear death. It doesn't fear pain or incarceration. It doesn't need fresh water to drink or clean air to breathe. It doesn't need health care or retirement. It can own others of its own kind. It can change citizenship in a day. It can tear off a part of itself and create a new corporation in an hour. It can amass virtually infinite wealth without that wealth ever having to pass through probate or being subject to estate/inheritance taxes." Read more

 

[Foxfyre]

If laws are not enforced they are of no effect. That happens in many cases also.

Kmart, Enron, Tyco International Inc., and list list goes on and on of activities of corporates that have broken the law and stripped savings of those unaware of what is going down. Even if indictments are handed down prosecution is not a sure thing. Many small investors go completely broke or die even before ever recovering from their losses.

That's the point I've been trying to make. The legal structure of a business whether a proprietorship or a mutli-national corporation is not evil. In both cases, the people owning and operating the business may be the most civic minded, altruistic, honest, and ethical souls on Earth or they may be the Devil personified. Changing corporate structure will not make the people involved more or less honest and ethical.

Our government, itself rife with graft and corruption, encourages graft and corruption in business through subsidies, various kinds of tax benefits, bribes, gratuities, and other forms of manipulation. Each encourages such behavior in the other.

The Founders intended for the government to put in such laws and regulation necessary to prevent one entity, private or public, from doing physical, social, or economic violence to another, and to resist showing favoritism to any constituency or group.

All we have to do to correct most of the problems with big or small business now, is to get back to that fundamental concept. When we make it illegal for government to dispense charity or favors to ANY individual or group, we will mostly eliminate most of the corruption and unethical practices that now exist.

 

[Jay Canuck]

"The Supreme Court today ruled in a five votes to four decision that corporations can now spend as much as they want on political campaigns. In other words, if Exxon or Dow wants to support a candidate, they can give him or her as much money as they want. I can’t see that having any negative repercussions, can you?" –Jimmy Kimmel

 

[Jay Canuck]

The State of Halliburton

Halliburton is asking the Supreme Court to block a local woman's lawsuit against the company.

Jamie Leigh Jones says she was raped in Baghdad while working for KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton. Her lawsuit is set to go to trial next year.




is rape evil?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The State of Halliburton

Halliburton is asking the Supreme Court to block a local woman's lawsuit against the company.

Jamie Leigh Jones says she was raped in Baghdad while working for KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton. Her lawsuit is set to go to trial next year.




is rape evil?

Haliburton will win.


I'll answer your question with a question. Are you stupid?

 

[Jay Canuck]

The State of Halliburton

Halliburton is asking the Supreme Court to block a local woman's lawsuit against the company.

Jamie Leigh Jones says she was raped in Baghdad while working for KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton. Her lawsuit is set to go to trial next year.




is rape evil?

Haliburton will win.


I'll answer your question with a question. Are you stupid?

says the fuckface who couldn't type two sentences without having to edit.

 

[Foxfyre]

The State of Halliburton

Halliburton is asking the Supreme Court to block a local woman's lawsuit against the company.

Jamie Leigh Jones says she was raped in Baghdad while working for KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton. Her lawsuit is set to go to trial next year.




is rape evil?

Haliburton will win.


I'll answer your question with a question. Are you stupid?

Well, in all fairness rape is evil and a savage brutality whenever it occurs.

However, to imply condemnation of an entire mega corporation because somebody associated with it was raped is akin to condemning the entire Navy because one drunken sailor got into trouble. Some people do think like that I guess, though they resist having all liberals or all Democrats or all of anything they are associated with being thrown into the same pot.

 

[Jay Canuck]

The State of Halliburton

Halliburton is asking the Supreme Court to block a local woman's lawsuit against the company.

Jamie Leigh Jones says she was raped in Baghdad while working for KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton. Her lawsuit is set to go to trial next year.




is rape evil?

Haliburton will win.


I'll answer your question with a question. Are you stupid?

Well, in all fairness rape is evil and a savage brutality whenever it occurs.

However, to imply condemnation of an entire mega corporation because somebody associated with it was raped is akin to condemning the entire Navy because one drunken sailor got into trouble. Some people do think like that I guess, though they resist having all liberals or all Democrats or all of anything they are associated with being thrown into the same pot.

nice try but a complete fail......that corporation is trying to cover up a crime by using it's money and influence to block the trial.

 

[Foxfyre]

Haliburton will win.


I'll answer your question with a question. Are you stupid?

Well, in all fairness rape is evil and a savage brutality whenever it occurs.

However, to imply condemnation of an entire mega corporation because somebody associated with it was raped is akin to condemning the entire Navy because one drunken sailor got into trouble. Some people do think like that I guess, though they resist having all liberals or all Democrats or all of anything they are associated with being thrown into the same pot.

nice try but a complete fail......that corporation is trying to cover up a crime by using it's money and influence to block the trial.

Nice try, but if I was not guilty of a crime, I would be using any means at my disposal to block a trial too. Wouldn't you?

 

[Jay Canuck]

Well, in all fairness rape is evil and a savage brutality whenever it occurs.

However, to imply condemnation of an entire mega corporation because somebody associated with it was raped is akin to condemning the entire Navy because one drunken sailor got into trouble. Some people do think like that I guess, though they resist having all liberals or all Democrats or all of anything they are associated with being thrown into the same pot.

nice try but a complete fail......that corporation is trying to cover up a crime by using it's money and influence to block the trial.

Nice try, but if I was not guilty of a crime, I would be using any means at my disposal to block a trial too. Wouldn't you?

no, If I wasn't guilty I would defend myself in court to clear my good name instead of trying to stop the trial .......what do they have to hide?

 

[The T]

Why are corporations evil?

They're NOT. In this day and age? 401K holders wil attest to this. Corporations are PEOPLE by and large that have INVESTED in an entity that they think will bring them a return. It's the AMERICAN WAY.

The ONLY ones that belive this are Class-Warfare Warriors, Psychophants of Socialist/Marxist/Communist Doctrine, that has shown to be a failure over the decades.

And typically a mantra of the ELITIST class as they drag along their brainless moronic following that have troubles with LIFE, and their own Liberty...

'NUFF SAID.

 

[The T]

Point of fact? We always hear the STATIST saying that we should "INVEST IN AMERICA"...and what is investing in America but Investing part of your paycheck to bolster business that bring prosperity and JOBS to AMERICA?

-NOPE-! Not according to these Marxist Dupes...Investing means Giving to those that havent thought out their lives as succienctly as YOU...and therefore YOUR GAINS are theirs...

It's UNFAIR. It ain't right that YOU thought it out, and therefore MUST give your earnings to the government to those that that have been LAZY...and lay in the Safety Net that YOU as a taxpayer have graciously laid forth to help them out, and these ingrates are demanding a HAMMOCK from YOU.

This has to CEASE.

 

[The T]

With events the last few days it's very clear that some people thing corporations are the face of evil in the world. Why?

What is it that makes corporations so much worse than LLCs, Partnerships, sole proprietorship?

Also, what's so evil about profits? Why is it wrong for companies of any size and shape actually producing a profit?

Their Profits actually bring more JOBS into the fray. ALL benefit from it. it's a FACT.

But to Obama, and his Marxist Pals? It's EVIL...because Government wasn't consulted, nor does government have CONTROL...

But that changed with the takeover of GM/Chrysler? Obama's apparent attack last week on BANKS?

These statists won't REST until their Sought after Socialist Utopia is realized...and belive me? it's their GOAL/ The Individual, their liberty is of NO consequence.

 

[RodISHI]

If laws are not enforced they are of no effect. That happens in many cases also.

Kmart, Enron, Tyco International Inc., and list list goes on and on of activities of corporates that have broken the law and stripped savings of those unaware of what is going down. Even if indictments are handed down prosecution is not a sure thing. Many small investors go completely broke or die even before ever recovering from their losses.

That's the point I've been trying to make. The legal structure of a business whether a proprietorship or a mutli-national corporation is not evil. In both cases, the people owning and operating the business may be the most civic minded, altruistic, honest, and ethical souls on Earth or they may be the Devil personified. Changing corporate structure will not make the people involved more or less honest and ethical.

Our government, itself rife with graft and corruption, encourages graft and corruption in business through subsidies, various kinds of tax benefits, bribes, gratuities, and other forms of manipulation. Each encourages such behavior in the other.

The Founders intended for the government to put in such laws and regulation necessary to prevent one entity, private or public, from doing physical, social, or economic violence to another, and to resist showing favoritism to any constituency or group.

All we have to do to correct most of the problems with big or small business now, is to get back to that fundamental concept. When we make it illegal for government to dispense charity or favors to ANY individual or group, we will mostly eliminate most of the corruption and unethical practices that now exist.

The State of Halliburton

Halliburton is asking the Supreme Court to block a local woman's lawsuit against the company.

Jamie Leigh Jones says she was raped in Baghdad while working for KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton. Her lawsuit is set to go to trial next year.




is rape evil?

Haliburton will win.


I'll answer your question with a question. Are you stupid?

Well, in all fairness rape is evil and a savage brutality whenever it occurs.

However, to imply condemnation of an entire mega corporation because somebody associated with it was raped is akin to condemning the entire Navy because one drunken sailor got into trouble. Some people do think like that I guess, though they resist having all liberals or all Democrats or all of anything they are associated with being thrown into the same pot.

The hypocrisy in your two postings is showing.

Just as each individual is responsible for their own actions when an individual is under the authority of another or company that company or individual holds the liability of the actions of those whom work for the company. By what you are saying using the Navy as an example is that this company/Halliburton is comparable to a government entity that has a whole set of rules to handle such matters< apples and oranges.. From what you have posted I gather that in your view a company has no obligation as to the actions of their employees while those employees were working for this company in protecting this woman's safety while she was there working for them. Condemning that whole "mega-corporation" for not owning up to it's responsibilities and obligations is perfectly acceptable when they refuse to do so.

 

[Foxfyre]

If laws are not enforced they are of no effect. That happens in many cases also.

Kmart, Enron, Tyco International Inc., and list list goes on and on of activities of corporates that have broken the law and stripped savings of those unaware of what is going down. Even if indictments are handed down prosecution is not a sure thing. Many small investors go completely broke or die even before ever recovering from their losses.

That's the point I've been trying to make. The legal structure of a business whether a proprietorship or a mutli-national corporation is not evil. In both cases, the people owning and operating the business may be the most civic minded, altruistic, honest, and ethical souls on Earth or they may be the Devil personified. Changing corporate structure will not make the people involved more or less honest and ethical.

Our government, itself rife with graft and corruption, encourages graft and corruption in business through subsidies, various kinds of tax benefits, bribes, gratuities, and other forms of manipulation. Each encourages such behavior in the other.

The Founders intended for the government to put in such laws and regulation necessary to prevent one entity, private or public, from doing physical, social, or economic violence to another, and to resist showing favoritism to any constituency or group.

All we have to do to correct most of the problems with big or small business now, is to get back to that fundamental concept. When we make it illegal for government to dispense charity or favors to ANY individual or group, we will mostly eliminate most of the corruption and unethical practices that now exist.

Haliburton will win.


I'll answer your question with a question. Are you stupid?

Well, in all fairness rape is evil and a savage brutality whenever it occurs.

However, to imply condemnation of an entire mega corporation because somebody associated with it was raped is akin to condemning the entire Navy because one drunken sailor got into trouble. Some people do think like that I guess, though they resist having all liberals or all Democrats or all of anything they are associated with being thrown into the same pot.

The hypocrisy in your two postings is showing.

Just as each individual is responsible for their own actions when an individual is under the authority of another or company that company or individual holds the liability of the actions of those whom work for the company. By what you are saying using the Navy as an example is that this company/Halliburton is comparable to a government entity that has a whole set of rules to handle such matters< apples and oranges.. From what you have posted I gather that in your view a company has no obligation as to the actions of their employees while those employees were working for this company in protecting this woman's safety while she was there working for them. Condemning that whole "mega-corporation" for not owning up to it's responsibilities and obligations is perfectly acceptable when they refuse to do so.

I did not say that a company has no obligation as to the actions of the employees. But I daresay you do not know any more about the circumstances of this case than I do, so neither of us is in any position to know whether Halliburton's legal team is out of line or not. If the rape occurred outside the jurisdiction or scope of operations of Halliburton, then they absolutely would not be liable even if it was a Halliburton employee any more than you are liable or responsible or guilty if your employee or family member or friend or neighbor commited a crime unrelated to your business or authority or knowledge or complicity.

In any case I was not referring to the case itself as I don't know anything about it other than the one paragraph sketchy comment posted. I was saying that you cannot honestly condemn an entire organization or group, no matter what it is, because one member sins or errs or commits a crime. That is an entirely separate issue from liability. Remember, the Bible says judge not lest you be judged also, meaning if you're going to condemn somebody or something, you're supposed to know for sure whether he or she or it is guilty.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I am just amazed at Americans defending allowing foreigners having HUGE influence on our elections.

They have lost all their logical moorings

OUTRIGHT LIE. Foreign Corporations can not donate to US politicians or to PAC's. The Supreme Court did not change that law at all.