Why all the unsubstantiated charges of hypocrisy from conservatives?

[Harry Dresden]

Hmmmm.... is this one a troll? It seems like he's trying to provoke me into a bickering match about the deficit. He must know that's horribly off topic. He's certainly not contributing anything interesting to the thread, so I'm gonna say troll.

Frank a troll?.....you have been here long enough to know that right?.....

 

[digger]

I think I've figured it out. They don't think that they're full of shit. They just don't really understand what's going on.

See, Obama's a pragmatic centrist. And they think he's a liberal. So when he does things that aren't liberal, it makes the hypocrite alarms go off. They don't read or watch any liberal media, so they don't realize that liberals are bitching about how centrist Obama is, when they want him to pull more to the left. They just assume that leftists are supporting their president's policies, which are often not liberal. Thus the persistent charges of hypocrisy.

And then there are the trolls. 'Nough said about that.

Got news for you ... you lefties can't even substantiate voting for the current President. Obama's about as much a centrist as Karl Marx was.

This thread is just more garbage from the left, making unsubstantiated attacks as a deflection to the the questions they haven't been able to answer since you first put that Nazi in office.

Or are you just actually seeing the light and backpedaling from your vote?

Liberals aren't seeing your light. They're seeing Obama in the center, when they'd like him on the left. You complain about him for entirely different reasons. It would be so incredibly impossible for him to make you both happy. And it looks kind of like he's going for neither.

I support Obama much more strongly now than I did when he was elected. I don't like the liberals or the conservatives. The extremes control too much in Washington. Everything is way over to the left, or way over to the right, or there's just a bunch of bickering and nothing happens at all. But Obama's not playing to the left or the right. He's trying to solidify the center, which is what I think this country needs.

I'm beginning to glimpse Obama's strategy for the next year and a half, and I like what I'm seeing. The Republicans are splitting in the house. Their leadership knows they're sunk if they don't compromise. But their fringe won't agree to compromise. They need Democratic votes to pass the compromise bills, and that schism will continue to create tension. Meanwhile Obama will continue to build compromise in the center. Actually building a coalition of centrist Democrats and Republicans in the house. The fringe will rally around their leaders for the 2012 election. Should be an interesting one. It's hard to call. Obama looks like an underdog, but the Republicans don't seem to have a good contender. And do you remember Obama in campaign mode? Hard to beat.

 

[MaggieMae]

I think I've figured it out. They don't think that they're full of shit. They just don't really understand what's going on.

See, Obama's a pragmatic centrist. And they think he's a liberal. So when he does things that aren't liberal, it makes the hypocrite alarms go off. They don't read or watch any liberal media, so they don't realize that liberals are bitching about how centrist Obama is, when they want him to pull more to the left. They just assume that leftists are supporting their president's policies, which are often not liberal. Thus the persistent charges of hypocrisy.

And then there are the trolls. 'Nough said about that.

Got news for you ... you lefties can't even substantiate voting for the current President. Obama's about as much a centrist as Karl Marx was.

This thread is just more garbage from the left, making unsubstantiated attacks as a deflection to the the questions they haven't been able to answer since you first put that Nazi in office.

Or are you just actually seeing the light and backpedaling from your vote?

Oh my. Glad to see you back to your old self again.

I was worried.

 

[B. Kidd]

I think I've figured it out. They don't think that they're full of shit. They just don't really understand what's going on.

See, Obama's a pragmatic centrist. And they think he's a liberal. So when he does things that aren't liberal, it makes the hypocrite alarms go off. They don't read or watch any liberal media, so they don't realize that liberals are bitching about how centrist Obama is, when they want him to pull more to the left. They just assume that leftists are supporting their president's policies, which are often not liberal. Thus the persistent charges of hypocrisy.

And then there are the trolls. 'Nough said about that.

Got news for you ... you lefties can't even substantiate voting for the current President. Obama's about as much a centrist as Karl Marx was.

This thread is just more garbage from the left, making unsubstantiated attacks as a deflection to the the questions they haven't been able to answer since you first put that Nazi in office.

Or are you just actually seeing the light and backpedaling from your vote?

Liberals aren't seeing your light. They're seeing Obama in the center, when they'd like him on the left. You complain about him for entirely different reasons. It would be so incredibly impossible for him to make you both happy. And it looks kind of like he's going for neither.

I support Obama much more strongly now than I did when he was elected. I don't like the liberals or the conservatives. The extremes control too much in Washington. Everything is way over to the left, or way over to the right, or there's just a bunch of bickering and nothing happens at all. But Obama's not playing to the left or the right. He's trying to solidify the center, which is what I think this country needs.

I'm beginning to glimpse Obama's strategy for the next year and a half, and I like what I'm seeing. The Republicans are splitting in the house. Their leadership knows they're sunk if they don't compromise. But their fringe won't agree to compromise. They need Democratic votes to pass the compromise bills, and that schism will continue to create tension. Meanwhile Obama will continue to build compromise in the center. Actually building a coalition of centrist Democrats and Republicans in the house. The fringe will rally around their leaders for the 2012 election. Should be an interesting one. It's hard to call. Obama looks like an underdog, but the Republicans don't seem to have a good contender. And do you remember Obama in campaign mode? Hard to beat.

Well written analysis. The fly in the soup for Obama is that independents whom will decide the election in 2012 are not convinced that he is truly a centrist.

Michael Gerson: Obama as centrist is not convincing - Omaha.com

 

[Avatar4321]

Obama is about as centrists as Mao was.

IE not at all.

 

[sinister59]

I think I've figured it out. They don't think that they're full of shit. They just don't really understand what's going on.

See, Obama's a pragmatic centrist. And they think he's a liberal. So when he does things that aren't liberal, it makes the hypocrite alarms go off. They don't read or watch any liberal media, so they don't realize that liberals are bitching about how centrist Obama is, when they want him to pull more to the left. They just assume that leftists are supporting their president's policies, which are often not liberal. Thus the persistent charges of hypocrisy.

And then there are the trolls. 'Nough said about that.

the republicans never let the truth stand in their way , look at PRESIDENT Bill Clinton ,
I use caps on that because to call Bill president is so offensive to them . they hate a successful Dem, thats why their pounding Obama with lies and bull shit , and their already trying to pin everything on Obama that bush did , hey that did that with George h bush .

 

[MaggieMae]

Got news for you ... you lefties can't even substantiate voting for the current President. Obama's about as much a centrist as Karl Marx was.

This thread is just more garbage from the left, making unsubstantiated attacks as a deflection to the the questions they haven't been able to answer since you first put that Nazi in office.

Or are you just actually seeing the light and backpedaling from your vote?

Liberals aren't seeing your light. They're seeing Obama in the center, when they'd like him on the left. You complain about him for entirely different reasons. It would be so incredibly impossible for him to make you both happy. And it looks kind of like he's going for neither.

I support Obama much more strongly now than I did when he was elected. I don't like the liberals or the conservatives. The extremes control too much in Washington. Everything is way over to the left, or way over to the right, or there's just a bunch of bickering and nothing happens at all. But Obama's not playing to the left or the right. He's trying to solidify the center, which is what I think this country needs.

I'm beginning to glimpse Obama's strategy for the next year and a half, and I like what I'm seeing. The Republicans are splitting in the house. Their leadership knows they're sunk if they don't compromise. But their fringe won't agree to compromise. They need Democratic votes to pass the compromise bills, and that schism will continue to create tension. Meanwhile Obama will continue to build compromise in the center. Actually building a coalition of centrist Democrats and Republicans in the house. The fringe will rally around their leaders for the 2012 election. Should be an interesting one. It's hard to call. Obama looks like an underdog, but the Republicans don't seem to have a good contender. And do you remember Obama in campaign mode? Hard to beat.

Well written analysis. The fly in the soup for Obama is that independents whom will decide the election in 2012 are not convinced that he is truly a centrist.

Michael Gerson: Obama as centrist is not convincing - Omaha.com

But they sure don't like the fringe conservatives. So...Republicans need to get their act together. The smart ones know that already, but are too afraid to publicly say so because they might not get reelected without huge majorities.

 

[digger]

^^I don't think you understand what I'm saying. They're not deliberately being untruthful. This is actually what they think.

 

[chikenwing]

I think I've figured it out. They don't think that they're full of shit. They just don't really understand what's going on.

See, Obama's a pragmatic centrist. And they think he's a liberal. So when he does things that aren't liberal, it makes the hypocrite alarms go off. They don't read or watch any liberal media, so they don't realize that liberals are bitching about how centrist Obama is, when they want him to pull more to the left. They just assume that leftists are supporting their president's policies, which are often not liberal. Thus the persistent charges of hypocrisy.

And then there are the trolls. 'Nough said about that.

Can someone translate this into some semblance of lucidity?

It sound more like the left should be doing the bitchn,and he just not sure how to say it.But would rather just take a shot at cons.

 

[B. Kidd]

Liberals aren't seeing your light. They're seeing Obama in the center, when they'd like him on the left. You complain about him for entirely different reasons. It would be so incredibly impossible for him to make you both happy. And it looks kind of like he's going for neither.

I support Obama much more strongly now than I did when he was elected. I don't like the liberals or the conservatives. The extremes control too much in Washington. Everything is way over to the left, or way over to the right, or there's just a bunch of bickering and nothing happens at all. But Obama's not playing to the left or the right. He's trying to solidify the center, which is what I think this country needs.

I'm beginning to glimpse Obama's strategy for the next year and a half, and I like what I'm seeing. The Republicans are splitting in the house. Their leadership knows they're sunk if they don't compromise. But their fringe won't agree to compromise. They need Democratic votes to pass the compromise bills, and that schism will continue to create tension. Meanwhile Obama will continue to build compromise in the center. Actually building a coalition of centrist Democrats and Republicans in the house. The fringe will rally around their leaders for the 2012 election. Should be an interesting one. It's hard to call. Obama looks like an underdog, but the Republicans don't seem to have a good contender. And do you remember Obama in campaign mode? Hard to beat.

Well written analysis. The fly in the soup for Obama is that independents whom will decide the election in 2012 are not convinced that he is truly a centrist.

Michael Gerson: Obama as centrist is not convincing - Omaha.com

But they sure don't like the fringe conservatives. So...Republicans need to get their act together. The smart ones know that already, but are too afraid to publicly say so because they might not get reelected without huge majorities.

I agree. Repubs still have time to get their act together tho' the clock is moving.

 

[MaggieMae]

Obama is about as centrists as Mao was.

IE not at all.

Nobody responds to that allegation better than a self-proclaimed Socialist:

Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com

The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize. Socialists support nationalization and see it as a means of creating a banking system that acts like a highly regulated public utility. The banks would then cease to be sinkholes for public funds or financial versions of casinos and would become essential to reenergizing productive sectors of the economy.

The same holds true for health care. A national health insurance system as embodied in the single-payer health plan reintroduced in legislation this year by Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), makes perfect sense to us. That bill would provide comprehensive coverage, offer a full range of choice of doctors and services and eliminate the primary cause of personal bankruptcy -- health-care bills. Obama's plan would do the opposite. By mandating that every person be insured, ObamaCare would give private health insurance companies license to systematically underinsure policyholders while cashing in on the moral currency of universal coverage. If Obama is a socialist, then on health care, he's doing a fairly good job of concealing it.

Issues of war and peace further weaken the commander in chief's socialist credentials. Obama announced that all U.S. combat brigades will be removed from Iraq by August 2010, but he still intends to leave as many as 50,000 troops in Iraq and wishes to expand the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. A socialist foreign policy would call for the immediate removal of all troops. It would seek to follow the proposal made recently by an Afghan parliamentarian, which called for the United States to send 30,000 scholars or engineers instead of more fighting forces.

Yet the president remains "the world's best salesman of socialism," according to Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina. DeMint encouraged supporters "to take to the streets to stop America's slide into socialism." Despite the fact that billions of dollars of public wealth are being transferred to private corporations, Huckabee still felt confident in proposing that "Lenin and Stalin would love" Obama's bank bailout plan.

 

[Intense]

I think I've figured it out. They don't think that they're full of shit. They just don't really understand what's going on.

See, Obama's a pragmatic centrist. And they think he's a liberal. So when he does things that aren't liberal, it makes the hypocrite alarms go off. They don't read or watch any liberal media, so they don't realize that liberals are bitching about how centrist Obama is, when they want him to pull more to the left. They just assume that leftists are supporting their president's policies, which are often not liberal. Thus the persistent charges of hypocrisy.

And then there are the trolls. 'Nough said about that.

You have Never been More Right!!!
Obama is clearly moving too slowly to the Socialist Statist Utopia for the Left. He is just Too Damned Slow for You Totalitarian State Capitalist Fuckwads. Thank you for acknowledging the Truth.

 

[digger]

Got news for you ... you lefties can't even substantiate voting for the current President. Obama's about as much a centrist as Karl Marx was.

This thread is just more garbage from the left, making unsubstantiated attacks as a deflection to the the questions they haven't been able to answer since you first put that Nazi in office.

Or are you just actually seeing the light and backpedaling from your vote?

Liberals aren't seeing your light. They're seeing Obama in the center, when they'd like him on the left. You complain about him for entirely different reasons. It would be so incredibly impossible for him to make you both happy. And it looks kind of like he's going for neither.

I support Obama much more strongly now than I did when he was elected. I don't like the liberals or the conservatives. The extremes control too much in Washington. Everything is way over to the left, or way over to the right, or there's just a bunch of bickering and nothing happens at all. But Obama's not playing to the left or the right. He's trying to solidify the center, which is what I think this country needs.

I'm beginning to glimpse Obama's strategy for the next year and a half, and I like what I'm seeing. The Republicans are splitting in the house. Their leadership knows they're sunk if they don't compromise. But their fringe won't agree to compromise. They need Democratic votes to pass the compromise bills, and that schism will continue to create tension. Meanwhile Obama will continue to build compromise in the center. Actually building a coalition of centrist Democrats and Republicans in the house. The fringe will rally around their leaders for the 2012 election. Should be an interesting one. It's hard to call. Obama looks like an underdog, but the Republicans don't seem to have a good contender. And do you remember Obama in campaign mode? Hard to beat.

Well written analysis. The fly in the soup for Obama is that independents whom will decide the election in 2012 are not convinced that he is truly a centrist.

Michael Gerson: Obama as centrist is not convincing - Omaha.com

Interesting article. I think you're right, Obama is going to have to win over the independents in the center in order to win. It's an interesting dynamic. The people who decide a lot of elections barely pay attention to politics. Most people who are informed have picked a side.

 

[digger]

I think it's interesting how many people assume that I'm a liberal. I haven't expressed very many liberal views. Mostly just disagreed with some people. And they assume that if I'm disagreeing with them I must be a liberal. Very dichotomous way of thinking. No nuance. Sad.

 

[digger]

You'll notice that these brainiacs usually post no more then 5-10 words per post. They get their info in soundbites and regurgitate it the same way. Sort of like a parrot. A parrot doesn't understand what it's saying but it can certainly repeat back what it hears.

Sometimes I wonder if they're using bots. The one liners often have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Like for instance the first two sets of one liners on this thread. That could be meant to draw people off topic. If they can get someone into a back-and-forth of off topic one liners, troll wins. Especially conservative trolls. Their one liners are the best.

But they'd need to be slightly closer to topic to have a good chance at that, especially so early in a thread. So maybe they're bad trolls. Or maybe they're decent bots.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think it's interesting how many people assume that I'm a liberal. I haven't expressed very many liberal views. Mostly just disagreed with some people. And they assume that if I'm disagreeing with them I must be a liberal. Very dichotomous way of thinking. No nuance. Sad.

Don't take it personally, but I think you're a complete fucking asshole

 

[Intense]

I think it's interesting how many people assume that I'm a liberal. I haven't expressed very many liberal views. Mostly just disagreed with some people. And they assume that if I'm disagreeing with them I must be a liberal. Very dichotomous way of thinking. No nuance. Sad.

My view of you is that of a Statist, a Progressive that thinks Big Centralized Government and more authority over our lives, is the answer to our problems. One Size does not fit all. I will chose tailored remedy for each unique situation, over Pretentious Assholes thousands of miles away handing out decrees over what they most often know nothing about, every chance I get. Republican or Democrat, Fuck the New World Order. The World hasn't changed, We have, the testimony to the amount of Shit We are full, of as a Society, is the Failure to achieve balance to this day. Where there should be Harmony, there is Strife. This is not the Vision of Federalism, of old.

 

[sinister59]

I think it's interesting how many people assume that I'm a liberal. I haven't expressed very many liberal views. Mostly just disagreed with some people. And they assume that if I'm disagreeing with them I must be a liberal. Very dichotomous way of thinking. No nuance. Sad.[/QUOTEthe repigs alway think that way , your either with them or against them , not to paranoid .

but really neither party believes moderate exist . we're a myth by people that can't make a stand .
to hell with common sense .

 

[Charles_Main]

I think I've figured it out. They don't think that they're full of shit. They just don't really understand what's going on.

See, Obama's a pragmatic centrist. And they think he's a liberal. So when he does things that aren't liberal, it makes the hypocrite alarms go off. They don't read or watch any liberal media, so they don't realize that liberals are bitching about how centrist Obama is, when they want him to pull more to the left. They just assume that leftists are supporting their president's policies, which are often not liberal. Thus the persistent charges of hypocrisy.

And then there are the trolls. 'Nough said about that.

Utter and complete Fail.

We call him a hypocrite because he is one.

Railed against Bush for using Military force when no direct threat to the US existed in Iraq. Then uses force when Absolutely no Threat is present in Libya.

Railed against Bush for spending to much, then Spends 3 times as fast.

I could go on and on about it, but you see the point. You can call him what ever you want. I think Centrist is pushing it a tad. I Think he is a Liberal at heart who is pragmatic about what to fight for and what to cave on, but his ultimate goal is certainly to move America more towards a European style Social Democracy. If you deny that, you are Blind.

 

[Annie]

I think it's interesting how many people assume that I'm a liberal. I haven't expressed very many liberal views. Mostly just disagreed with some people. And they assume that if I'm disagreeing with them I must be a liberal. Very dichotomous way of thinking. No nuance. Sad.

Or they may just be more experienced and well versed in dogmas than yourself. I know that wouldn't occur to you, given the above post and all.