Why AGW must be wrong.

[SpidermanTuba]

My prediction is that the Global Cooling Doomsday Cult will be revived as soon as the Global Warming Doomsday Cult loons are proven to be completely full of chit. "We're all gonna freeze to death!!!" will be their new mantra very soon. People really are sheep for the most part on stuff like this. It's actually pretty sad.

I'm still waiting to see a single scientific paper predicting global cooling regardless of how much fossil fuels man burns.

I've been waiting in fact, for years to see such a paper. Apparently scientists only published their findings in popular magazines back then.

Still waiting

 

[Darkwind]

Golly...Only took you eight posts to get down to the standard recriminations and invective!

"Falsifiable" means that you can positively explain away all other possibilities via the Socratic method (i.e. asking questions as to what else could account for the given phenomena).

No it doesn't. Falsifiability means there is a logical possibility that something can be shown to be false by experiment OR observation. You really don't have a fucking clue, do you?

Somebody else help out here....Didn't I pretty much say the same thing in other words?

That someone 100 years ago guessed that temperatures might rise and speculated as to why is of no more scientific merit than a Nostradamus quatrain.

He didn't guess. You haven't even read the paper I'm talking about. You're clueless. The same as the rest of the anti-science crowd.

How did the predictions of Malthus, J.K. Galbraith and Paul Ehrlich work out?...They had equally "scientific" guesses as to what was supposed to happen in the future and all were monumentally wrong. Lest we fail to mention Y2K, the Red Scare, ancient religious nuts who claimed that Halley's comet was a harbinger of imminent doom....?

Do you remember the movie, "The Davinci Code"?

Remember the blond guy who would whip himself on the back with chains that had hooks in them?

Your talking to that guy right now.

 

[Rigby5]

Here is a good site to look at.

False things about climate change you might believe

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's amazing that while 99% of the scientists in the world agree that GW is a reality, conservatives 99% of whom are not scientists have the gaul to challenge the scientific world on this issue.

Talk about a bunch of politically brainwashed drones!

Their compete misconception of what constitutes scientific proof is idiotic - maybe it reflects a high school education in science at best.

The "scientific method", which is taught in High Schools, calls for the creation of a isolated model in the lab. Tests are run against the model to collect data, then deductive reasoning is applied to create a theory based on the data. The theory is then tested against more laboratory models and tested against known instances outside the laboratory - accounting for factors that may influence that are not included in the isolated laboratory models.

What these H.S. geniuses don't account for is the fact that some things cannot be recreated to any meanful extent in the laboratory. Absolute pure data cannot be obtained. So Science then can only obtain limited data or data that is produced in non-isolated conditions. In this case mathematics, including statistical analysis, combined with deductive reasoning are used to analyze data and create theories.

The conservative object to this, requiring absolute proof, which is not possible in the case of GW.

In fact, we do have proof that GW is occurring, we just can't absolutely prove that it's being caused or accelerated by mankind. But by all reason we know that it most probably is.

The worst aspect of this whole argument is that it is abundanly clear that there are special interests - industrialist that do not want to be taxed based on carbon admissions - that DO NOT want actions taking to reduce carbon admissions simply becuase it would mean a business loss for them.

They in turn fund this massive conservative effort to debunk the GW theory. Of course the brainwashed conservative sycophants regurgitate the political bullshit of their masters like the good little drones that they are.

The facts are:

1. The earth is warming.No doubt about that whatsoever.

2. Almost every qualified scientist in the world agrees that carbon admissions are either causing or contributing to GW.

3. Industrialists do not want cap & trade for personal financial reasons.

Until Conservatives can show absolute proof that GW is NOT being caused or accelerated by carbon admissions, they should SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the people who are qualified take charge of this issue.

Carbon "admissions"?

Dumbass!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Golly...Only took you eight posts to get down to the standard recriminations and invective!

"Falsifiable" means that you can positively explain away all other possibilities via the Socratic method (i.e. asking questions as to what else could account for the given phenomena).

No it doesn't. Falsifiability means there is a logical possibility that something can be shown to be false by experiment OR observation. You really don't have a fucking clue, do you?

Somebody else help out here....Didn't I pretty much say the same thing in other words?

That someone 100 years ago guessed that temperatures might rise and speculated as to why is of no more scientific merit than a Nostradamus quatrain.

He didn't guess. You haven't even read the paper I'm talking about. You're clueless. The same as the rest of the anti-science crowd.

How did the predictions of Malthus, J.K. Galbraith and Paul Ehrlich work out?...They had equally "scientific" guesses as to what was supposed to happen in the future and all were monumentally wrong. Lest we fail to mention Y2K, the Red Scare, ancient religious nuts who claimed that Halley's comet was a harbinger of imminent doom....?

Golly...Only took you eight posts to get down to the standard recriminations and invective!

You mean it took eight revisions to dumb it down far enough for you to understand.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Man Made Global Warming is a very weak hypothesis and not proven, but the Left sees it as a great opportunity to impose socialist oppression.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Don Quixote tilting at windmills = the crazy duped Left Wingers who think that they can control the climate with taxes and regulations

 

[Cellblock2429]

I've assembled a list of facts which disprove AGW:

1) The Earth's temperature has been influenced by natural factors in the past. Everyone with a 2nd grade education knows that if the temperature of a system can be influenced by natural forces, its physically impossible for man made forces to affect it.

2) The Sun is hot. Look at it. its right there. its really hot.

3) grapes grew in England in the medieval warm period. Nevermind the fact they grow there now as well, that's irrelevant.

4) Cavemen didn't have SUV's, therefore AGW MUST be wrong.

5) Other planets in the solar system are also warming (nevermind which ones), and since their climates and atmospheres are exactly the same as Earth's - but they have no people - obviously AGW is wrong. Warming on other planets MUST be caused by the exact same things causing warming on Earth, despite any evidence to the contrary.

6) Other scientists in other fields, such as Paul Ehlrich, have made doomsday predictions about other things, that did not come to pass. Therefore, AGW cannot be true. In fact, any scientific theory which predicts something bad might happen cannot be true.


Does this about sum it up?

/——-/ “Cavemen didn't have SUV's, therefore AGW MUST be wrong”
Oh yes they did.

 

[Flash]

My prediction is that the Global Cooling Doomsday Cult will be revived as soon as the Global Warming Doomsday Cult loons are proven to be completely full of chit. "We're all gonna freeze to death!!!" will be their new mantra very soon. People really are sheep for the most part on stuff like this. It's actually pretty sad.

This upcoming Solar Minimum will shut the AGW shitheads up for the next few decades.

 

[Flash]

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/——-/ “Cavemen didn't have SUV's, therefore AGW MUST be wrong”
Oh yes they did.
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During Roman times the earth was much warmer than it is now and the CO2 levels lower.

Then the earth cooled down a bit.

During Medieval times it warmed up again. The CO2 levels were also lower.

Many millions of years ago the earth was a ice planet and the CO2 levels were more than ten times what what they are now

There goes that silly environmental wacko idea that man made CO2 levels causes global warming.

 

[SSDD]

You might add to your list the very inconvenient fact that there has never been a peer reviewed paper published in which the the claimed warming due to human activities has been empirically measured, quantified, and ascribed to so called green house gasses..

And the fact that there is not a single shred of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability.

 

[Richard-H]

It's amazing that while 99% of the scientists in the world agree that GW is a reality, conservatives 99% of whom are not scientists have the gaul to challenge the scientific world on this issue.

Talk about a bunch of politically brainwashed drones!

Their compete misconception of what constitutes scientific proof is idiotic - maybe it reflects a high school education in science at best.

The "scientific method", which is taught in High Schools, calls for the creation of a isolated model in the lab. Tests are run against the model to collect data, then deductive reasoning is applied to create a theory based on the data. The theory is then tested against more laboratory models and tested against known instances outside the laboratory - accounting for factors that may influence that are not included in the isolated laboratory models.

What these H.S. geniuses don't account for is the fact that some things cannot be recreated to any meanful extent in the laboratory. Absolute pure data cannot be obtained. So Science then can only obtain limited data or data that is produced in non-isolated conditions. In this case mathematics, including statistical analysis, combined with deductive reasoning are used to analyze data and create theories.

The conservative object to this, requiring absolute proof, which is not possible in the case of GW.

In fact, we do have proof that GW is occurring, we just can't absolutely prove that it's being caused or accelerated by mankind. But by all reason we know that it most probably is.

The worst aspect of this whole argument is that it is abundanly clear that there are special interests - industrialist that do not want to be taxed based on carbon admissions - that DO NOT want actions taking to reduce carbon admissions simply becuase it would mean a business loss for them.

They in turn fund this massive conservative effort to debunk the GW theory. Of course the brainwashed conservative sycophants regurgitate the political bullshit of their masters like the good little drones that they are.

The facts are:

1. The earth is warming.No doubt about that whatsoever.

2. Almost every qualified scientist in the world agrees that carbon admissions are either causing or contributing to GW.

3. Industrialists do not want cap & trade for personal financial reasons.

Until Conservatives can show absolute proof that GW is NOT being caused or accelerated by carbon admissions, they should SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the people who are qualified take charge of this issue.

Carbon "admissions"?

Dumbass!

Wow! The only argument that you could come up with was that I made a typo?

As usual your arguments are as weak as your intellect!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's amazing that while 99% of the scientists in the world agree that GW is a reality, conservatives 99% of whom are not scientists have the gaul to challenge the scientific world on this issue.

Talk about a bunch of politically brainwashed drones!

Their compete misconception of what constitutes scientific proof is idiotic - maybe it reflects a high school education in science at best.

The "scientific method", which is taught in High Schools, calls for the creation of a isolated model in the lab. Tests are run against the model to collect data, then deductive reasoning is applied to create a theory based on the data. The theory is then tested against more laboratory models and tested against known instances outside the laboratory - accounting for factors that may influence that are not included in the isolated laboratory models.

What these H.S. geniuses don't account for is the fact that some things cannot be recreated to any meanful extent in the laboratory. Absolute pure data cannot be obtained. So Science then can only obtain limited data or data that is produced in non-isolated conditions. In this case mathematics, including statistical analysis, combined with deductive reasoning are used to analyze data and create theories.

The conservative object to this, requiring absolute proof, which is not possible in the case of GW.

In fact, we do have proof that GW is occurring, we just can't absolutely prove that it's being caused or accelerated by mankind. But by all reason we know that it most probably is.

The worst aspect of this whole argument is that it is abundanly clear that there are special interests - industrialist that do not want to be taxed based on carbon admissions - that DO NOT want actions taking to reduce carbon admissions simply becuase it would mean a business loss for them.

They in turn fund this massive conservative effort to debunk the GW theory. Of course the brainwashed conservative sycophants regurgitate the political bullshit of their masters like the good little drones that they are.

The facts are:

1. The earth is warming.No doubt about that whatsoever.

2. Almost every qualified scientist in the world agrees that carbon admissions are either causing or contributing to GW.

3. Industrialists do not want cap & trade for personal financial reasons.

Until Conservatives can show absolute proof that GW is NOT being caused or accelerated by carbon admissions, they should SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the people who are qualified take charge of this issue.

Carbon "admissions"?

Dumbass!

Wow! The only argument that you could come up with was that I made a typo?

As usual your arguments are as weak as your intellect!

That is not a typo, dumbass!

 

[Wyatt earp]

It's amazing that while 99% of the scientists in the world agree that GW is a reality, conservatives 99% of whom are not scientists have the gaul to challenge the scientific world on this issue.

Talk about a bunch of politically brainwashed drones!

Their compete misconception of what constitutes scientific proof is idiotic - maybe it reflects a high school education in science at best.

The "scientific method", which is taught in High Schools, calls for the creation of a isolated model in the lab. Tests are run against the model to collect data, then deductive reasoning is applied to create a theory based on the data. The theory is then tested against more laboratory models and tested against known instances outside the laboratory - accounting for factors that may influence that are not included in the isolated laboratory models.

What these H.S. geniuses don't account for is the fact that some things cannot be recreated to any meanful extent in the laboratory. Absolute pure data cannot be obtained. So Science then can only obtain limited data or data that is produced in non-isolated conditions. In this case mathematics, including statistical analysis, combined with deductive reasoning are used to analyze data and create theories.

The conservative object to this, requiring absolute proof, which is not possible in the case of GW.

In fact, we do have proof that GW is occurring, we just can't absolutely prove that it's being caused or accelerated by mankind. But by all reason we know that it most probably is.

The worst aspect of this whole argument is that it is abundanly clear that there are special interests - industrialist that do not want to be taxed based on carbon admissions - that DO NOT want actions taking to reduce carbon admissions simply becuase it would mean a business loss for them.

They in turn fund this massive conservative effort to debunk the GW theory. Of course the brainwashed conservative sycophants regurgitate the political bullshit of their masters like the good little drones that they are.

The facts are:

1. The earth is warming.No doubt about that whatsoever.

2. Almost every qualified scientist in the world agrees that carbon admissions are either causing or contributing to GW.

3. Industrialists do not want cap & trade for personal financial reasons.

Until Conservatives can show absolute proof that GW is NOT being caused or accelerated by carbon admissions, they should SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the people who are qualified take charge of this issue.

Carbon "admissions"?

Dumbass!

Wow! The only argument that you could come up with was that I made a typo?

As usual your arguments are as weak as your intellect!

That is not a typo, dumbass!

You guys are continuing an argument after a 9 year pause?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's amazing that while 99% of the scientists in the world agree that GW is a reality, conservatives 99% of whom are not scientists have the gaul to challenge the scientific world on this issue.

Talk about a bunch of politically brainwashed drones!

Their compete misconception of what constitutes scientific proof is idiotic - maybe it reflects a high school education in science at best.

The "scientific method", which is taught in High Schools, calls for the creation of a isolated model in the lab. Tests are run against the model to collect data, then deductive reasoning is applied to create a theory based on the data. The theory is then tested against more laboratory models and tested against known instances outside the laboratory - accounting for factors that may influence that are not included in the isolated laboratory models.

What these H.S. geniuses don't account for is the fact that some things cannot be recreated to any meanful extent in the laboratory. Absolute pure data cannot be obtained. So Science then can only obtain limited data or data that is produced in non-isolated conditions. In this case mathematics, including statistical analysis, combined with deductive reasoning are used to analyze data and create theories.

The conservative object to this, requiring absolute proof, which is not possible in the case of GW.

In fact, we do have proof that GW is occurring, we just can't absolutely prove that it's being caused or accelerated by mankind. But by all reason we know that it most probably is.

The worst aspect of this whole argument is that it is abundanly clear that there are special interests - industrialist that do not want to be taxed based on carbon admissions - that DO NOT want actions taking to reduce carbon admissions simply becuase it would mean a business loss for them.

They in turn fund this massive conservative effort to debunk the GW theory. Of course the brainwashed conservative sycophants regurgitate the political bullshit of their masters like the good little drones that they are.

The facts are:

1. The earth is warming.No doubt about that whatsoever.

2. Almost every qualified scientist in the world agrees that carbon admissions are either causing or contributing to GW.

3. Industrialists do not want cap & trade for personal financial reasons.

Until Conservatives can show absolute proof that GW is NOT being caused or accelerated by carbon admissions, they should SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the people who are qualified take charge of this issue.

Carbon "admissions"?

Dumbass!

Wow! The only argument that you could come up with was that I made a typo?

As usual your arguments are as weak as your intellect!

That is not a typo, dumbass!

You guys are continuing an argument after a 9 year pause?

Why do you care? I am just showing this dumbass how truly stupid he is!

 

[Billy_Bob]

It's amazing that while 99% of the scientists in the world agree that GW is a reality, conservatives 99% of whom are not scientists have the gaul to challenge the scientific world on this issue.

Talk about a bunch of politically brainwashed drones!

Their compete misconception of what constitutes scientific proof is idiotic - maybe it reflects a high school education in science at best.

The "scientific method", which is taught in High Schools, calls for the creation of a isolated model in the lab. Tests are run against the model to collect data, then deductive reasoning is applied to create a theory based on the data. The theory is then tested against more laboratory models and tested against known instances outside the laboratory - accounting for factors that may influence that are not included in the isolated laboratory models.

What these H.S. geniuses don't account for is the fact that some things cannot be recreated to any meanful extent in the laboratory. Absolute pure data cannot be obtained. So Science then can only obtain limited data or data that is produced in non-isolated conditions. In this case mathematics, including statistical analysis, combined with deductive reasoning are used to analyze data and create theories.

The conservative object to this, requiring absolute proof, which is not possible in the case of GW.

In fact, we do have proof that GW is occurring, we just can't absolutely prove that it's being caused or accelerated by mankind. But by all reason we know that it most probably is.

The worst aspect of this whole argument is that it is abundanly clear that there are special interests - industrialist that do not want to be taxed based on carbon admissions - that DO NOT want actions taking to reduce carbon admissions simply becuase it would mean a business loss for them.

They in turn fund this massive conservative effort to debunk the GW theory. Of course the brainwashed conservative sycophants regurgitate the political bullshit of their masters like the good little drones that they are.

The facts are:

1. The earth is warming.No doubt about that whatsoever.

2. Almost every qualified scientist in the world agrees that carbon admissions are either causing or contributing to GW.

3. Industrialists do not want cap & trade for personal financial reasons.

Until Conservatives can show absolute proof that GW is NOT being caused or accelerated by carbon admissions, they should SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the people who are qualified take charge of this issue.

Carbon "admissions"?

Dumbass!

There is another issue... CO2 is a gas and not carbon. Carbon is black soot that changes earths albedo over time. These idiots can not discern one form the other..

 

[SSDD]

It's amazing that while 99% of the scientists in the world agree that GW is a reality, conservatives 99% of whom are not scientists have the gaul to challenge the scientific world on this issue.

Talk about a bunch of politically brainwashed drones!

Their compete misconception of what constitutes scientific proof is idiotic - maybe it reflects a high school education in science at best.

The "scientific method", which is taught in High Schools, calls for the creation of a isolated model in the lab. Tests are run against the model to collect data, then deductive reasoning is applied to create a theory based on the data. The theory is then tested against more laboratory models and tested against known instances outside the laboratory - accounting for factors that may influence that are not included in the isolated laboratory models.

What these H.S. geniuses don't account for is the fact that some things cannot be recreated to any meanful extent in the laboratory. Absolute pure data cannot be obtained. So Science then can only obtain limited data or data that is produced in non-isolated conditions. In this case mathematics, including statistical analysis, combined with deductive reasoning are used to analyze data and create theories.

The conservative object to this, requiring absolute proof, which is not possible in the case of GW.

In fact, we do have proof that GW is occurring, we just can't absolutely prove that it's being caused or accelerated by mankind. But by all reason we know that it most probably is.

The worst aspect of this whole argument is that it is abundanly clear that there are special interests - industrialist that do not want to be taxed based on carbon admissions - that DO NOT want actions taking to reduce carbon admissions simply becuase it would mean a business loss for them.

They in turn fund this massive conservative effort to debunk the GW theory. Of course the brainwashed conservative sycophants regurgitate the political bullshit of their masters like the good little drones that they are.

The facts are:

1. The earth is warming.No doubt about that whatsoever.

2. Almost every qualified scientist in the world agrees that carbon admissions are either causing or contributing to GW.

3. Industrialists do not want cap & trade for personal financial reasons.

Until Conservatives can show absolute proof that GW is NOT being caused or accelerated by carbon admissions, they should SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the people who are qualified take charge of this issue.

Carbon "admissions"?

Dumbass!

There is another issue... CO2 is a gas and not carbon. Carbon is black soot that changes earths albedo over time. These idiots can not discern one form the other..

I remember back in the 70's there was talk of spreading black carbon over the arctic in an attempt to melt the ice to stave off the coming ice age...

 

[westwall]

Here is a good site to look at.

False things about climate change you might believe

Ahhh, now I know why you sounded familiar, it's the toomer reborn!

 

[mamooth]

This upcoming Solar Minimum will shut the AGW shitheads up for the next few decades.

Not all deniers are kook ice age cultists ... oh wait, almost all of them are. We've got a bunch right here. The whole denier cult has been predicting a new ice age RealSoonNow continuously for the past 40 years. Their predicted ice age never arrives, yet their zeal is undimmed. The denier cult HolyIceAge will arrive, because denier scripture says it has to.

During Roman times the earth was much warmer than it is now and the CO2 levels lower.

No, it wasn't. Who feeds you these fables, and why do you fall for them?

There goes that silly environmental wacko idea that man made CO2 levels causes global warming.

If anyone had ever said CO2 was the only thing driving climate, you wouldn't now look like such a moron. But since nobody has ever said such a thing, you do look like such a moron.