Why AGW must be wrong.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SpidermanTuba, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. SpidermanTuba
    Offline

    SpidermanTuba BANNED

    Joined:
    May 7, 2004
    Messages:
    6,101
    Thanks Received:
    258
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    New Orleans, Louisiana
    Ratings:
    +258
    I've assembled a list of facts which disprove AGW:

    1) The Earth's temperature has been influenced by natural factors in the past. Everyone with a 2nd grade education knows that if the temperature of a system can be influenced by natural forces, its physically impossible for man made forces to affect it.

    2) The Sun is hot. Look at it. its right there. its really hot.

    3) grapes grew in England in the medieval warm period. Nevermind the fact they grow there now as well, that's irrelevant.

    4) Cavemen didn't have SUV's, therefore AGW MUST be wrong.

    5) Other planets in the solar system are also warming (nevermind which ones), and since their climates and atmospheres are exactly the same as Earth's - but they have no people - obviously AGW is wrong. Warming on other planets MUST be caused by the exact same things causing warming on Earth, despite any evidence to the contrary.

    6) Other scientists in other fields, such as Paul Ehlrich, have made doomsday predictions about other things, that did not come to pass. Therefore, AGW cannot be true. In fact, any scientific theory which predicts something bad might happen cannot be true.


    Does this about sum it up?
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2010
  2. Meister
    Offline

    Meister VIP Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    25,900
    Thanks Received:
    8,099
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Conservative part of the Northwest
    Ratings:
    +8,100
    Your getting close....you forgot that other planets in our solar system also have warmed up. Or, did you forget that one?
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  3. SpidermanTuba
    Offline

    SpidermanTuba BANNED

    Joined:
    May 7, 2004
    Messages:
    6,101
    Thanks Received:
    258
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    New Orleans, Louisiana
    Ratings:
    +258


    I sure did, let me add it really quick
     
  4. Oddball
    Offline

    Oddball BANNED Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    41,428
    Thanks Received:
    8,397
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Drinking wine, eating cheese, catching rays
    Ratings:
    +8,409
    Those are a few.

    Then, you can add that AGW science fiction is not:
    • Physically reproducible on demand and in the context of a virtually infinitely variable and flexible ecosystem.
    • Has no physical control model, against which to make physically verifiable comparisons.
    • Not falsifiable for all other plausible explanations.
    • All of the above have been traditional acid tests for "settled science" for centuries.

    The semantics are all wrong:
    • "Consensus" is a political process, not scientific proof.
    • X, Y, or Z could happen is speculation, not science.
    • "We're 90% sure...." is equally and unscientifically speculative.

    Although there's lots more, that's a good start.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  5. Midnight Marauder
    Offline

    Midnight Marauder BANNED

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2009
    Messages:
    12,404
    Thanks Received:
    1,876
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +1,876
    It about sums up the straw man arguments put up by the AGW evangelists, yes.
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2010
  6. SpidermanTuba
    Offline

    SpidermanTuba BANNED

    Joined:
    May 7, 2004
    Messages:
    6,101
    Thanks Received:
    258
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    New Orleans, Louisiana
    Ratings:
    +258


    Let me rephrase your descriptions to make it easier to understand:

    1) since we don't have another planet earth exactly like ours that we can conduct experiments with, it is physically impossible to know ANYTHING about the climate (except of course that climate experts are wrong). Its a really complex system, too, and everyone knows science is useless for understanding complex systems. Its so complex there are an infinite number of variables (even though there's a finite number of particles in the system - don't worry about that, just trust me, its infinite!)

    2) Just because 100 years ago Arrhenius predicted AGW would happen if man continued to produce greenhouse gases - and it happened - doesn't mean AGW is falsifiable. I actually don't know what 'falsifiable' even means, its just a fancy word I read on an anti-AGW blog somewhere.

    3) All science that is not 100% sure is 100% useless. I have no idea what the U.S. Government is doing using the laws of the unproven THEORY of general relativity to make the GPS system work right - its stupid.
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2010
  7. Oddball
    Offline

    Oddball BANNED Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    41,428
    Thanks Received:
    8,397
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Drinking wine, eating cheese, catching rays
    Ratings:
    +8,409
    Your lack of knowledge of what words mean is your problem.

    "Falsifiable" means that you can positively explain away all other possibilities via the Socratic method (i.e. asking questions as to what else could account for the given phenomena).

    That someone 100 years ago guessed that temperatures might rise and speculated as to why is of no more scientific merit than a Nostradamus quatrain.
     
  8. SpidermanTuba
    Offline

    SpidermanTuba BANNED

    Joined:
    May 7, 2004
    Messages:
    6,101
    Thanks Received:
    258
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    New Orleans, Louisiana
    Ratings:
    +258
    No it doesn't. Falsifiability means there is a logical possibility that something can be shown to be false by experiment OR observation. You really don't have a fucking clue, do you?

    He didn't guess. You haven't even read the paper I'm talking about. You're clueless. The same as the rest of the anti-science crowd.
     
  9. Midnight Marauder
    Offline

    Midnight Marauder BANNED

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2009
    Messages:
    12,404
    Thanks Received:
    1,876
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +1,876
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  10. Xenophon
    Offline

    Xenophon Gone and forgotten

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2008
    Messages:
    16,705
    Thanks Received:
    3,750
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    In your head
    Ratings:
    +3,751
    Well, those damn Vikings and their industrial polution heated the earth so much that Greenland had trees and foliage a thousand years ago and they had a colony there that is now under ice...oh wait, they didn't have industry a thousand years ago.
     

Share This Page