Why a Toronto woman has spent 2 years in a hospital bed waiting for surgery Social Sharing

[shockedcanadian]

Careful what you wish for America. Socialized medicine at work...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...it-times-laryngoscopy-critical-care-1.5393081

The hum of oxygen being pumped into Oula Jaber's lungs is constant. One look at the long, blue tube connected to her throat and it's clear that's what's keeping her alive.

For two years, Jaber has been waiting for a procedure that could potentially allow her to live without the tube and return home from her room in the complex-care ward of Trillium Health Partners hospital in Etobicoke.

Her daughter, Fatima Salem, has been trying to get a date for the surgery but has had no luck, and in the time her mother has been waiting for the operation, she's missed Salem's wedding and the birth of her grandchild.

"Had it been done already, she would have been home right now," a frustrated Salem said. "My mom missed out on a lot of major life events," she added. "There are days where I go home and just cry myself to sleep."

Jaber's case is an extreme example of a problem that plagues health care not just in Ontario but across the country — increasing wait times for a wide range of surgical and diagnostic procedures. Those wait times often force patients to stay in hospital beds that are badly needed by others.

 

[DGS49]

It seems to me that there is little to be gained by identifying and isolating individual horrific cases where the Province's or country's healthcare system has pretty much dropped the ball. And that is true for that unfortunate woman.

Most Canadians I've met, and who post on the various sites that I inhabit are quite satisfied with their healthcare and the cost of it, although in the less-densely populated provinces, there are issues with wait times and availability of doctors/specialists.

Similarly, when Leftists in this country complain about our healthcare system, they don't want to hear that 80% of the population is quite content with their coverage and insurance (private, employer-subsidized, or Medicare), so we don't want to mess with a massive, generally-efficacious system in order to address a tiny population that has expensive pre-existing conditions or nearly-unique problems.

And there you have it.

 

[shockedcanadian]

It seems to me that there is little to be gained by identifying and isolating individual horrific cases where the Province's or country's healthcare system has pretty much dropped the ball. And that is true for that unfortunate woman.

Most Canadians I've met, and who post on the various sites that I inhabit are quite satisfied with their healthcare and the cost of it, although in the less-densely populated provinces, there are issues with wait times and availability of doctors/specialists.

Similarly, when Leftists in this country complain about our healthcare system, they don't want to hear that 80% of the population is quite content with their coverage and insurance (private, employer-subsidized, or Medicare), so we don't want to mess with a massive, generally-efficacious system in order to address a tiny population that has expensive pre-existing conditions or nearly-unique problems.

And there you have it.

We don't only just have long wait times, we have outright poor doctors. Our best often leave Canada.

Just recently a man was misdiagnosed and ended up dying as he had cancer (due to restraints many doctors are looking for excuses to NOT do MRI's CATSCANS etc).

Some of us have suffered because surgery was basically not offered. Would you rather a healthcare you pay for through insurance or no health care at all?

When you consider how many just go to the hospital with a cold or a stubbed toe. It's absurd. They drag the system because they are taught, "just go to the hospital". That means for ANYTHING. Meanwhile, some of us like myself avoid the hospital as I don't want others to not get attention. When it really comes time for me to have access, as I've experienced in the past, it won't be there.

Welcome to nepotism of government resources. Destroying our economy, and very quickly so many institutions we used to hold dear.

 

[Dekster]

It seems to me that there is little to be gained by identifying and isolating individual horrific cases where the Province's or country's healthcare system has pretty much dropped the ball. And that is true for that unfortunate woman.

Most Canadians I've met, and who post on the various sites that I inhabit are quite satisfied with their healthcare and the cost of it, although in the less-densely populated provinces, there are issues with wait times and availability of doctors/specialists.

Similarly, when Leftists in this country complain about our healthcare system, they don't want to hear that 80% of the population is quite content with their coverage and insurance (private, employer-subsidized, or Medicare), so we don't want to mess with a massive, generally-efficacious system in order to address a tiny population that has expensive pre-existing conditions or nearly-unique problems.

And there you have it.

People with routine needs getting routine care is not really the basis of acceptable healthcare. Canada has a problem and we in the US have a problem. They are different problems. We need to close the funding loose end for certain segments of the population---the poor, pre-existing conditions, and more robust mental health and substance abuse treatment. Their delivery of service problem is non-monetary.

 

[jwoodie]

Most Canadians I've met, and who post on the various sites that I inhabit are quite satisfied with their healthcare and the cost of it

Most Canadians I've met are quite defensive about their health care system and believe that Americans pay our "high cost of health care" out of their own pockets. One recently retired Canadian told me that the best thing about her retirement package was that it included private health insurance.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Most Canadians I've met, and who post on the various sites that I inhabit are quite satisfied with their healthcare and the cost of it

Most Canadians I've met are quite defensive about their health care system and believe that Americans pay our "high cost of health care" out of their own pockets. One recently retired Canadian told me that the best thing about her retirement package was that it included private health insurance.

Interestingly, Canadians (before the ObamaCare scam) paid more out-of-pocket



The following ‘Universal Healthcare’ countries have higher out-of-pocket costs than the United States:

Out-of-pocket spending as a share of total expenditure on health, 1980-2000 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf (table 4)

http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/22364122.pdf

Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Most Canadians I've met, and who post on the various sites that I inhabit are quite satisfied with their healthcare and the cost of it

Most Canadians I've met are quite defensive about their health care system and believe that Americans pay our "high cost of health care" out of their own pockets. One recently retired Canadian told me that the best thing about her retirement package was that it included private health insurance.

I have to educate people all the time. There are also mandatory costs we Canadians pay that you don't, on top of higher basic living costs.

As one example, in Ontario I saw a job posed recently on indeed for a customer service position at a travel agency and all you are doing is booking appointments to meet with the actual travel agents and it requires you to get a specialized license! What in the hell? I don't know anything about this industry, but you are basically a secretary and you need to pay who knows how much to get a license. Probably renewal costs every couple of years.

This is the same regulation overhead in Ontario for vast swaths of our economy. It's a way to make money and deny people access (oh, unfortunately you didn't pass, sorry, no job for you). There is insurance fees for many things, including for procedures NOT covered by our healthcare system (so we pay billions of dollars, but not all is covered, they still make money selling private insurance).

In short, and I say this sadly, Canadians are ill informed, lazy, lacking curiousity, and mainly just force fed by state media to hate America and all you represent. This is by design, starting with the Brits who wanted to keep a short leash on their satellite. This lack of ignorance hasn't helped our us, it's hindered us.