Why 911 Lies are easire to believe than 911 TRUTH

[daws101]

This is why it makes no sense to hand the Powers That
Be a gift on a silver platter by closing off inquiry
on the strong possibility that no passenger plane hit
the Pentagon. We can't afford to give up any weapon of
truth in this fight, including the myth that the
United States is a force for good in the world that
sometimes makes "mistakes." We have to attack
(metaphorically speaking, of course) on all fronts.

The problem with that narrative being all the pieces of the plane and bodies of the Flight 77 passengers they found inside the pentagon. Really putting a kink in that 'strong possibility'.

As for that to have been faked, the people you would have had to have folded in are legion. I mean, the plane didn't fly in a deserted wilderness under cover of darkness. It flew low over I-395 in the middle of a traffic jam. There are literally dozens of accounts of a plane hitting the pentagon and likely hundreds of witnesses. And they'd all have to be plants.

You'd have to fake the black boxes, fake all the autopsies, fake all the genetic testing, somehow cajole the emergency services who arrived to lie their ass off, plant all those plane pieces on the lawn, talk the ASCE to fake an elaborate report, fake all the radar records, fake the crash investigation, coverup whatever actually hit the pentagon, somehow dispose of the *actual* plane and all the passengers involving everyone from the FBI to the NTSB to the NIST to the ASCE to the DoD to the local fire department.

Or.....you can just crash the plane into the pentagon.

I mean, its not like they had an aversion to crashing planes into buildings. Even if you think it was a conspiracy, the elaborate coverup just makes no sense when crashing the plane works just as well and is infinitely simpler.

Occam's razor ....its why the official theory is so much more compelling than the absurdly elaborate alternatives.

Occams razor leans towards the simpler theory, that it was really a F6F Hellcat that hit the Pentagon, folding up it's wings as it entered a way too small hole...

right! that "theory" has more than one gaping hole.
the landing gear ,engine parts and all the other debris were from a much larger aircraft.
when, how and by who were the "parts" arranged to fake it?
you might wanna study up on what occams razor is ....

are you absolutely guaranteed for certain convinced that the pix shown that were of aircraft wreckage & bodies, were these pix actually of the inside of the PENTAGON?

you mean these .
as sure as you're a raving nut sack
they are.

 

[n0spam4me]

and so you trust the "powers that B" completely ...... (?)

or?

 

[daws101]

and so you trust the "powers that B" completely ...... (?)

or?

kinda the long way around to say you're too chicken shit to admit you got jack shit.

 

[Skylar]

and so you trust the "powers that B" completely ...... (?)

or?

Given that you've ignored every picture, every video, every report, every witness, every investigation, every account, every piece of physical evidence, every radar record, every genetic test, and every black box......

.....the question isn't whether or not we 'trust the powers that B'. But why we would ever trust you. Its you v. every piece of evidence you ignore.

And you just aren't credible.

.

 

[SAYIT]

This is why it makes no sense to hand the Powers That
Be a gift on a silver platter by closing off inquiry
on the strong possibility that no passenger plane hit
the Pentagon. We can't afford to give up any weapon of
truth in this fight, including the myth that the
United States is a force for good in the world that
sometimes makes "mistakes." We have to attack
(metaphorically speaking, of course) on all fronts.

The problem with that narrative being all the pieces of the plane and bodies of the Flight 77 passengers they found inside the pentagon. Really putting a kink in that 'strong possibility'.

As for that to have been faked, the people you would have had to have folded in are legion. I mean, the plane didn't fly in a deserted wilderness under cover of darkness. It flew low over I-395 in the middle of a traffic jam. There are literally dozens of accounts of a plane hitting the pentagon and likely hundreds of witnesses. And they'd all have to be plants.

You'd have to fake the black boxes, fake all the autopsies, fake all the genetic testing, somehow cajole the emergency services who arrived to lie their ass off, plant all those plane pieces on the lawn, talk the ASCE to fake an elaborate report, fake all the radar records, fake the crash investigation, coverup whatever actually hit the pentagon, somehow dispose of the *actual* plane and all the passengers involving everyone from the FBI to the NTSB to the NIST to the ASCE to the DoD to the local fire department.

Or.....you can just crash the plane into the pentagon.

I mean, its not like they had an aversion to crashing planes into buildings. Even if you think it was a conspiracy, the elaborate coverup just makes no sense when crashing the plane works just as well and is infinitely simpler.

Occam's razor ....its why the official theory is so much more compelling than the absurdly elaborate alternatives.

Occams razor leans towards the simpler theory, that it was really a F6F Hellcat that hit the Pentagon, folding up it's wings as it entered a way too small hole...

right! that "theory" has more than one gaping hole.
the landing gear ,engine parts and all the other debris were from a much larger aircraft.
when, how and by who were the "parts" arranged to fake it?
you might wanna study up on what occams razor is ....

I can't say for sure but I believe CAPCHATHIS may be posting facetiously.

 

[SAYIT]

are you absolutely guaranteed for certain convinced that the pix shown that were of aircraft wreckage & bodies, were these pix actually of the inside of the PENTAGON?

What I can say with absolute certainty is that fully 13 years after 9/11 absolutely none of the alternate universe scenarios which have emanated from your CT "Truther" Movement have been of any value, other than to the bank accounts of a few CT web stars who sell t-shirts and DVDs to the not-too-brights who cling desperately to their every word..

 

[n0spam4me]

are you absolutely guaranteed for certain convinced that the pix shown that were of aircraft wreckage & bodies, were these pix actually of the inside of the PENTAGON?

What I can say with absolute certainty is that fully 13 years after 9/11 absolutely none of the alternate universe scenarios which have emanated from your CT "Truther" Movement have been of any value, other than to the bank accounts of a few CT web stars who sell t-shirts and DVDs to the not-too-brights who cling desperately to their every word..

Obviously you want to stray from the actual evidence and complain about alleged charlatans who are milking this for all they can get. HOWEVER, what about the fact that the evidence doesn't point to the 19 suicidal hijackers scenario?
Both in fundamental physics and in the realm of odds/probability the official explanation fails miserably. examine any facet of this whole story and you will see grossly improbable events that are said to have simply happened exactly as if the whole scene had been specifically choreographed to happen as it did. Airliners that not only penetrate the tower walls, but completely disappear inside, + the Pentagon stunt, + the Shanksville "crash" and in every case it can very well be asked WHERE IS THE AIRLINER? a few snapshots of aircraft wreckage is NOT accounting for the aircraft!
Not only that but in the case of the "collapse" of WTC1, 2 & 7 what magic organized the structure to do as it did? the mass on top of the "collapsing" towers, what kept all that stuff in place so as to accomplish the destruction of the tower?
Also, I have asked many times for the proof that any tests for explosives had ever been done and there isn't any, no document of any test(s) for explosives exists because the test(s) were never done, the NIST admits to having never done tests because "it would be a waste of time" Your tax dollars at work, criminally insane bureaucracy on the job!

 

[Skylar]

Obviously you want to stray from the actual evidence and complain about alleged charlatans who are milking this for all they can get. HOWEVER, what about the fact that the evidence doesn't point to the 19 suicidal hijackers scenario?

The 'actual evidence'? The videos of the impact of flight 175 into the South Tower are all actual evidence. And you've ignored all 43 of them. Every single video from any source, any angle, any live feed from any network, any video taken by any camcorder. Insisting they are all 'fakes'. Just like you ignored every witness in NY who watched flight 175 hit the south tower, dismissing them as government plants.

Just like you ignored every picture of the debris from the planes, every eye witness account of the debris, all the radar records of each flight, every black box recovered, every autopsy conducted, every genetic test matching a body pulled from the impact sites with one of the passengers from a hijacked flight.

These are all 'actual evidence'. Yet you won't discuss any of them. Or even acknowledge that such evidence exists. You ignore it all.

However.......there's no reason a rational person would ignore any of it. Your position is illogical and irrational. And of course, you can't back any of it.

 

[n0spam4me]

Obviously you want to stray from the actual evidence and complain about alleged charlatans who are milking this for all they can get. HOWEVER, what about the fact that the evidence doesn't point to the 19 suicidal hijackers scenario?

The 'actual evidence'? The videos of the impact of flight 175 into the South Tower are all actual evidence. And you've ignored all 43 of them. Every single video from any source, any angle, any live feed from any network, any video taken by any camcorder. Insisting they are all 'fakes'. Just like you ignored every witness in NY who watched flight 175 hit the south tower, dismissing them as government plants.

Just like you ignored every picture of the debris from the planes, every eye witness account of the debris, all the radar records of each flight, every black box recovered, every autopsy conducted, every genetic test matching a body pulled from the impact sites with one of the passengers from a hijacked flight.

These are all 'actual evidence'. Yet you won't discuss any of them. Or even acknowledge that such evidence exists. You ignore it all.

However.......there's no reason a rational person would ignore any of it. Your position is illogical and irrational. And of course, you can't back any of it.

Not that I have ignored the evidence, I call it what it is, FAKE
you seem to have absolute faith that our mainstream media minions would never lie to us.
oh well ..... Bottom line here, the video as proven out by both the Evan Fairbanks video and the Michael Hezarkhani Video, clearly "FLT175" either violated the laws of physics, or its a FAKE.
Note also that in the case of "FLT11" & "FLT175" the cockpit voice recorders & flight data recorders for these two flights were never recovered and in fact, in rubble that was sifted for human remains & artifacts, not even a piece of a flight recorder could be identified, total 4 sturdy metal boxes designed to survive a crash and indeed that design has proven out as being a survivor of many crashes in the past, but in this case the "black-boxes" were completely destroyed, and in an event where other objects such as people's wallets ( etc.... ) were found in the rubble.

 

[Skylar]

Not that I have ignored the evidence, I call it what it is, FAKE

Says you. But you can't back that up nor do you have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

You do what every tired, silly conspiracy theorist has always done: you fold into the conspiracy anything that contradicts you. Anything at all. Any video, any witness, any radar record, black box, picture, engineering report, expert eye witness account, any physical evidence, any genetic testing, anything.

Your sole basis of dismissal of any evidence...is that it contradicts what you believe. That's a classic fallacy of logic called confirmation bias. Where you start with a hypothesis, dismiss anything that contradicts it as invalid, and conclude that your hypothesis must be correct. Its a deeply flawed, horridly irrational process that is the beating heart of your conspiracy.

Worse, you're not saying that the mountains and mountains of contradictory evidence is wrong. You're saying its faked. Which increases the pointless, stupid degree of elaboration and complexity your conspiracy requires by orders and orders of magnitude. As now you have to fold in every video, every witness, every agency to touch any of the evidence. The FBI, FAA, ASCE, DoD, every first responder, every corenor, every tech who did testing, every photographer, every major news network, any schmo with a camcorder, most of the FDNY and NYPD, NORAD, the air force, the NIST......and thousands and thousand of others.

Literally folding tens of thousands of people into your conspiracy, including thousands of impromptu co-conspirators who joined in covering up mass murder for no particular reason. And then even more improbable, this veritable mongol horde of co-conspirators have maintained absolute and perfect secrecy for 13 years and counting. We couldn't keep the manhattan project under wraps that long, and it was on a secure facility in the middle of the desert.

This happened in the middle of one of the largest cities on planet earth in pubic view! Yet the most complicated, elaborate and insanely complex plot ever conceived by man in the history of our species was carried out perfectly and in public....

FOUR times? By the same government that couldn't get the Obamacare website to work.

Laughing....um, no. I've got a much simpler explanation that matches the evidence far closer: your theory is just stupidly awful at explaining the events of 911.

 

[n0spam4me]

The BIG LIE ...... Big Brother sez 2+2=5 ..... all hail Big Brother!

oh well ......

 

[Skylar]

The BIG LIE ...... Big Brother sez 2+2=5 ..... all hail Big Brother!

oh well ......

The big lie like.....silent explosives?

Laughing....you've got nothing, dude. Your theory doesn't work, its pointlessly complicated, gets more insanely elaborate with each retelling and just doesn't match the evidence. Its also contradicted by mountains and mountains of evidence....

....which you ignore and then laughably pretend doesn't exist.

So, um...how's that working out for you?

 

[n0spam4me]

The BIG LIE ...... Big Brother sez 2+2=5 ..... all hail Big Brother!

oh well ......

The big lie like.....silent explosives?

Laughing....you've got nothing, dude. Your theory doesn't work, its pointlessly complicated, gets more insanely elaborate with each retelling and just doesn't match the evidence. Its also contradicted by mountains and mountains of evidence....

....which you ignore and then laughably pretend doesn't exist.

So, um...how's that working out for you?

So you insist on clinging to that bit of madness, the silent destruction of WTC7, really, even if it "collapsed" without the aid of explosives, there would be LOTS of noise from the falling building however you insist that witnesses who heard explosions were mistaken, but for other witness testimony you insist that the plane spotters were many and spot-on in their identification of a commercial airliner crashing into the tower(s) ..... this "mountains" of evidence, I have yet to see a documentary pix of ground zero right after the collapse event(s) and also documentation of the testing for explosives, it has never been produced because it doesn't exist, the plan was to have intentional voids in the data available to promote speculation about what happened and to intentionally leave out damning evidence that would prove beyond any doubt that 9/11 was an inside job.

 

[Skylar]

The video shows no explosions or sound of explosives. The collapse initiated so quietly that it didn't even interrupt conversations nearby. You consider this 'madness'. I consider it what the video shows. If you believe otherwise, show us where the explosions occured:



So, um....where were the explosions? No explosions, no explosives. That's not 'madness'. That's the simple acknowledgement that there's no such thing as silent explosives.

And there are 43 different videos of flight 175 impacting the south tower and thousands of witnesses. Different angles, different cameras, live feeds, camcorders, news networks.....all showing the exact same thing.

Yet you insist that every video is faked, every witness is a plant, and there were no planes. Because a plane hitting a building 'defies the laws of physics'.

Laughing....you were saying about 'madness'?

 

[n0spam4me]

"Because a plane hitting a building 'defies the laws of physics'." Have you actually looked at what is alleged to be the "FLT175" aircraft striking the south wall of the South tower? its not just a matter of an aircraft striking a building, its what happens when the aircraft actually hits the wall, or was that an aircraft at all? I repeat, commercial airliners are not designed to perform as missiles and should not be expected to perform as missiles.

in addition, the fall of WTC7 has the North & West walls falling as a unit and falling at 9.8 m/s^2 for 2.25 sec, now this is VERY significant in that in order to achieve this rate of acceleration, there must be NO resistance at all under the falling mass, so how is it that asymmetrical damage & chaotic fires cause ALL of the physical structure under this part of the building to simply disappear all at the same time?

 

[CAPTCHATHIS]

The video shows no explosions or sound of explosives. The collapse initiated so quietly that it didn't even interrupt conversations nearby. You consider this 'madness'. I consider it what the video shows. If you believe otherwise, show us where the explosions occured:



So, um....where were the explosions? No explosions, no explosives. That's not 'madness'. That's the simple acknowledgement that there's no such thing as silent explosives.

And there are 43 different videos of flight 175 impacting the south tower and thousands of witnesses. Different angles, different cameras, live feeds, camcorders, news networks.....all showing the exact same thing.

Yet you insist that every video is faked, every witness is a plant, and there were no planes. Because a plane hitting a building 'defies the laws of physics'.

Laughing....you were saying about 'madness'?

According to NIST, as you watch the video prior to any visual collapse at the 10 second mark, TENS of THOUSANDS of TONS of STEEL are progressively collapsing inside, crashing to the ground. hahaha

Almost like a cartoon character jumping out of his clothes as they magically float in the air holding their shape and then suddenly dropping to the floor.

 

[whitehall]

The "mountain of evidence" turns into a tinfoil hat daydream when you consider how and why the US government would intentionally destroy the symbol of capitalism and kill 3,000 citizens. I noticed that the "mountain of evidence" concocted by the conspiracy dreamers is very, very careful to keep the Clintons out of the equation. Isn't it all about politics and political agenda? What freaking political agenda would cause the US government destroy the World Trade Center? How was Bill Clinton involved? The facts are that a bunch of jihad crazies hijacked planes and drove them into the Towers.

 

[n0spam4me]

The "mountain of evidence" turns into a tinfoil hat daydream when you consider how and why the US government would intentionally destroy the symbol of capitalism and kill 3,000 citizens. I noticed that the "mountain of evidence" concocted by the conspiracy dreamers is very, very careful to keep the Clintons out of the equation. Isn't it all about politics and political agenda? What freaking political agenda would cause the US government destroy the World Trade Center? How was Bill Clinton involved? The facts are that a bunch of jihad crazies hijacked planes and drove them into the Towers.

Speculation about why & who aside, what explanation do you prefer as to exactly how it is that the towers & 7 were completely destroyed and other buildings in the same complex were damaged but not completely destroyed?

Note that there is a video of Bill Clinton scolding a "truther" by saying "HOW DARE YOU" as if its a really bad thing to question the official version of events.

 

[SAYIT]

There are dozens of government programs and technologies that have been kept completely secret, we know that because we haven't heard about them.

Ya know, when I first read your statement I found the circular rationale so conspicuous and so shallow that I took it to be a joke and gave you credit. However, having read a few more of your posts it seems clear you were serious. Woo.

 

[SAYIT]

The "mountain of evidence" turns into a tinfoil hat daydream when you consider how and why the US government would intentionally destroy the symbol of capitalism and kill 3,000 citizens. I noticed that the "mountain of evidence" concocted by the conspiracy dreamers is very, very careful to keep the Clintons out of the equation. Isn't it all about politics and political agenda? What freaking political agenda would cause the US government destroy the World Trade Center? How was Bill Clinton involved? The facts are that a bunch of jihad crazies hijacked planes and drove them into the Towers.

I don't see a political agenda in most of the "Truthers" but often notice an anti-Israel or anti-Jew one. That is, their irrational POV is driven by their nefarious bottom line: the Jooos did it, therefore the official reports and commonly held beliefs must be wrong at best or a cover-up at worst.
With their conclusions firmly in place they go about "the business" of trying to prove them (cherry-picking, distorting and fabricating facts) and pretending to disprove the mainstream perception while failing miserably to offer any feasible or even possible alternative. In effect, their efforts make the official explanation seem all the more credible.