Why 911 Lies are easire to believe than 911 TRUTH

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TV News Lies published an essay which shows the main
problem facing 911-truth types when trying to persuade
their fellow citizens (See also Signs of the Times for
some interesting commentary on that essay). The crime
is so big and would require so much rethinking on the
part of people that they won't consider the truth of
the matter no matter how much persuasive evidence is
amassed:

In this post 9/11 era, most Americans are unable
even to consider the possibility of US government
complicity in the attacks on our nation even when
confronted with a mountain of evidence. In contrast,
many of these same people accept far less believable
scenarios simply on the basis of faith and without a
single shred of evidence such as believing in the
existence of a God. Tragically, they seem to have the
exact same blind trust in the Bush administration.

At close inspection, the official version of 9/11
is outrageously full of holes. When those of us who
are knowledgeable discuss the evidence that has been
unearthed about that day, there is so much to reveal
that we don't know where to start or where to stop.
When tapped for what we know, we have so much to
expose that the torrent of information that rushes can
sound like the meaningless rant of a lunatic.
Regardless of how credible or tangible the evidence,
when rolled out in front of the public, it often
sounds too farfetched or irrational to believe.

The facts that have come out about 9/11 differ so
greatly from the official story that they almost defy
validity. On the contrary, the official version is so
simple as to be perfectly believable. It places the
entire blame on the work of a handful of terrorists
who hated us for our freedom. Case closed.

It is important to keep in mind that the 9/11
issue is not simply a question of whose version of a
story is correct. This is a case in which millions of
people would be taking a great risk. They would have
to consider that the very government they have trusted
and supported for more than four years may have
participated in an unthinkable atrocity. That, in
itself, may be impossible. By opening their minds to
an objective examination of what has been discovered
about the 9/11 attacks, millions of Americans would
have to abandon their blind faith in this
administration, and reject the mistaken belief that
those in charge of our nation can do no wrong. That,
too, may be impossible.

Herein lies the paradox. If the American people
want truth they must acknowledge that they have been
deceived. If that were to happen, and if they were to
accept the facts that have been uncovered by the
independent 9/11 research community, their faith in
their government would be irreparably destroyed. In
the long run, it is far easier to maintain one's faith
in a deceptive government than to deal with the
painful details of that deception.

The consequence of such denial is that people end
up believing what they must, rather than what is true.
As time passes, they totally erase the distinction
between fact and fiction in order to believe in their
government, and they find themselves living in the
America of 2005.

...Ironically, it's almost funny when the
fact-based 9/11 research community gathers to discuss
the events of that day. The official government
version of what happened loses so much credibility in
the light of the available facts, films, testimony &
chronicled history that it is almost impossible not to
laugh in disbelief when we start to share what we
know. The evidence that has been amassed is so
persuasive as to rip the official version of 9/11 to
shreds. And still, there is no one but ourselves to
hear us.

We go on and on and on like people obsessed
because as responsible citizens of the world we have
assigned ourselves the task of exposing the truth. But
we also have to accept the obstacles we face. We must
understand how and why people refuse to believe what
we say despite all the evidence in our possession.

...The people who were responsible for the attacks
of 9/11 did something so unbelievable that most people
would not believe they did it, even if presented with
conclusive evidence of their guilt. As a result, they
also carried it off, and the evidence be damned.

In the end, there is always the comment by those
who would discredit the research and the evidence that
has been uncovered. The defenders of the official
version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many people
could keep a secret. "Wouldn't someone have blown the
whistle by now?" is the constant challenge by the
champions of denial. How naïve they are.

At the higher levels of government the issue is no
longer about secrecy, but about survival. The extent
of the 9/11 crimes are so great that a very real
scenario of self preservation has arisen. Exposing the
truth about 9/11 would virtually mean the end of the
United States of America as a viable power. If the
good people in our government and in our intelligence
community exposed the truth, America would never ever
regain its credibility in the world. We would never
again be respected or trusted. We would immediately
relinquish our leadership position in the world and
sink to the position of a rogue nation that had
committed an unforgivable atrocity against its own
people for political purposes. We would expose the
huge betrayal of trust that has been developed and
nurtured over our 230 year history as a nation.

The minute any ranking government official was
charged with complicity in 9/11, this nation would be
no more. We would never recover. The people who were
involved in 9/11 know this. They know that there is
more at stake than their exposure. They know that once
they did what they did, they would never be held
accountable.... [L]et me be the first to admit that
these folks committed the perfect crime. Not in the
sense that they would not be discovered, but in the
sense they knew it would do more harm to the country
to expose them than it would to play along with them.

The perpetrators of 9/11 knew they were they
protected by the blind loyalty of the American people
who would refuse to believe they could have been
involved. But they had another ace in the hole as
well. They knew that no one who cared for the nation
would reveal the truth, for to seek justice would in
essence bring down the nation.

Bottom line: the truth is out there, the evidence
is real. But there are none so blind as those who will
not see. Think about that, and weep for us all.


This is why it makes no sense to hand the Powers That
Be a gift on a silver platter by closing off inquiry
on the strong possibility that no passenger plane hit
the Pentagon. We can't afford to give up any weapon of
truth in this fight, including the myth that the
United States is a force for good in the world that
sometimes makes "mistakes." We have to attack
(metaphorically speaking, of course) on all fronts.
 
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I would need to know more details of the plan I see some major obstacles ,the first being the able danger program and Intel agency's . it would be great if it could be arranged any reports from agents or citizens like flight school instructors are ignored..also it would be helpful if NORAD could be confused by drills taking place at the very same time as the real event .this would also have the benefit of having a lack of fighter interceptors in the target areas.as for targets like the pentagon I am concerned the flight skills required would make the probability of success with a pilot who cant fly a Cessna very low.. radar and missile defense systems that guard the pentagon are also of much concern...and of course successfully gain control of 4 aircraft basically the perfect storm... a series multiple of convenient failures will be required for this plan to suceed...if it is your desire to have the targets destroyed completely this perfect storm series of highly improbable events will also need to be arranged
 
I would need to know more details of the plan I see some major obstacles ,the first being the able danger program and Intel agency's . it would be great if it could be arranged any reports from agents or citizens like flight school instructors are ignored..also it would be helpful if NORAD could be confused by drills taking place at the very same time as the real event .this would also have the benefit of having a lack of fighter interceptors in the target areas.as for targets like the pentagon I am concerned the flight skills required would make the probability of success with a pilot who cant fly a Cessna very low.. radar and missile defense systems that guard the pentagon are also of much concern...and of course successfully gain control of 4 aircraft basically the perfect storm... a series multiple of convenient failures will be required for this plan to suceed...if it is your desire to have the targets destroyed completely this perfect storm series of highly improbable events will also need to be arranged

No Problem...We will also confiscate all video taken at the time it happens and ship all the debris to China before anyone can look at it. If they find the Thermate we will come up with some bullshit to hide it. The general public will also believe that a commercial airliner can perform a 270 degree turn dropping 7000 feet at 500 miles per hour, they don't know it can't do that without ripping the wings off.
 
I would need to know more details of the plan I see some major obstacles ,the first being the able danger program and Intel agency's...

No problamo, these things constitute the background of life in the big city, but please keep this a secret, ok.
 
The main problem that truthers have with convincing their fellow citizens is that their alternative explanations are usually quite awful. I mean, really, really bad. Holographic planes, invisible bombs, orbiting weapons platforms firing directed energy weapons, 'nano-thermite' and just ludicrously enormous conspiracies involving thousands and thousands and thousands of people....all keeping their secrets perfectly for over a decade.

Our government is absurdly pourous. We couldn't keep our nuclear secrets or our NSA survelliance programs secret as long as would have this supposed conspiracy.

Its not that the official version is perfect. Its that it matches the facts more closely, is far more plausible, and far simpler than almost all the truther narratives. Occam's Razor is intuitively obvious to most folks. And it cuts to the truther story to ribbons.
 
This is why it makes no sense to hand the Powers That
Be a gift on a silver platter by closing off inquiry
on the strong possibility that no passenger plane hit
the Pentagon. We can't afford to give up any weapon of
truth in this fight, including the myth that the
United States is a force for good in the world that
sometimes makes "mistakes." We have to attack
(metaphorically speaking, of course) on all fronts.

The problem with that narrative being all the pieces of the plane and bodies of the Flight 77 passengers they found inside the pentagon. Really putting a kink in that 'strong possibility'.

As for that to have been faked, the people you would have had to have folded in are legion. I mean, the plane didn't fly in a deserted wilderness under cover of darkness. It flew low over I-395 in the middle of a traffic jam. There are literally dozens of accounts of a plane hitting the pentagon and likely hundreds of witnesses. And they'd all have to be plants.

You'd have to fake the black boxes, fake all the autopsies, fake all the genetic testing, somehow cajole the emergency services who arrived to lie their ass off, plant all those plane pieces on the lawn, talk the ASCE to fake an elaborate report, fake all the radar records, fake the crash investigation, coverup whatever actually hit the pentagon, somehow dispose of the *actual* plane and all the passengers involving everyone from the FBI to the NTSB to the NIST to the ASCE to the DoD to the local fire department.

Or.....you can just crash the plane into the pentagon.

I mean, its not like they had an aversion to crashing planes into buildings. Even if you think it was a conspiracy, the elaborate coverup just makes no sense when crashing the plane works just as well and is infinitely simpler.

Occam's razor ....its why the official theory is so much more compelling than the absurdly elaborate alternatives.
 
Herein lies the paradox. If the American people
want truth they must acknowledge that they have been
deceived. If that were to happen, and if they were to
accept the facts that have been uncovered by the
independent 9/11 research community, their faith in
their government would be irreparably destroyed. In
the long run, it is far easier to maintain one's faith
in a deceptive government than to deal with the
painful details of that deception.

Your 'paradox' is flawed. As it begins with the assumption that the truth is the conspiracy. And that the official version is the lie. With the only impediment being the willingness of the masses to 'believe the truth'.

The problem you face is far more fundamental: you don't have the evidence to carry any of the major conspiracy narratives. Nor do the narratives make much sense. And most are overwhelmingly contradicted by spectacularly compelling evidence. And most of the conspiracy narratives are absurdly, almost ludicrously complicated and elaborate.

If you really have an open mind, you may want to question your assumptions. As when you apply the same critical eye to the conspiracy accounts, you'll find most are quite awful at describing 911.
 
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I would need to know more details of the plan I see some major obstacles ,the first being the able danger program and Intel agency's . it would be great if it could be arranged any reports from agents or citizens like flight school instructors are ignored..also it would be helpful if NORAD could be confused by drills taking place at the very same time as the real event .this would also have the benefit of having a lack of fighter interceptors in the target areas.as for targets like the pentagon I am concerned the flight skills required would make the probability of success with a pilot who cant fly a Cessna very low.. radar and missile defense systems that guard the pentagon are also of much concern...and of course successfully gain control of 4 aircraft basically the perfect storm... a series multiple of convenient failures will be required for this plan to suceed...if it is your desire to have the targets destroyed completely this perfect storm series of highly improbable events will also need to be arranged

No Problem...We will also confiscate all video taken at the time it happens and ship all the debris to China before anyone can look at it. If they find the Thermate we will come up with some bullshit to hide it. The general public will also believe that a commercial airliner can perform a 270 degree turn dropping 7000 feet at 500 miles per hour, they don't know it can't do that without ripping the wings off.

I can dig it man. The general population doesn't know that a secret can be kept so tightly by thousands. Traffic controllers, the families of those who lost people on the flights, the military, the POTUS, Congress, the FBI, The CIA, the news footage of the planes actually hitting the building, Popular Mechanics, the whole of the 9/11 commission and more. This has to be the most tightly run black ops mission since JFK was killed by Cuban CIA Mafia informers.
 
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I can dig it man. The general population doesn't know that a secret can be kept so tightly by thousands. Traffic controllers, the families of those who lost people on the flights, the military, the POTUS, Congress, the FBI, The CIA, the news footage of the planes actually hitting the building, Popular Mechanics, the whole of the 9/11 commission and more. This has to be the most tightly run black ops mission since JFK was killed by Cuban CIA Mafia informers.

We couldn't keep the secret of the nuclear bomb under wraps for more than 7 years. And that was in a secure facility. This happened in public in the financial district of one of the most densely populated cities on the face of the earth in front of thousands and thousands of witnesses.

Twice.

The idea that its all just going to be kept secret indefinitely is ludicrous. We couldn't even keep the NSA surveillance program under wraps. The US government is ridiculously porous.
 
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nevermind speculation about HOW it was done and incredulity about how many people would have had to be involved..... the fact is that the events as reported constitute violations of the laws of physics. You do NOT crash an airliner into a blast resistant wall ( such as at the PENTAGON ) and at the angle that the alleged "FLT77" was said to have struck, and not have many tons of aircraft wreckage on the PENTAGON lawn.
also note that the WTC towers "collapsed" at a rate that includes periods
of downward acceleration at 64% of the acceleration of gravity, impossible without a LOT of help from something ( C4 .... or? )
also the fact that the real perpetrators controlled the scene so tightly that no reporters were allowed to photograph ground zero right after the "collapse" events. There are NO actual documentary photographs of the site, only random snap-shots that do not have the requisite data such as exactly when & where the pix was taken so as to locate it in spaced & time to make it useful as evidence of what happened.
9/11/2001 is one VERY poorly documented disaster!
 
nevermind speculation about HOW it was done and incredulity about how many people would have had to be involved..... the fact is that the events as reported constitute violations of the laws of physics.

Typing 'violations of the laws of physics' doesn't make it so. You're offering us your personal opinion as fact, and then demanding we accept it as such. But why would a rational person ever do this....without evidence? And remember, you citing yourself isn't evidence.

And of course you don't want to talk about the 'why'. As your 'why' is a laughably inconsistent mess. There are so many conspiracy killing holes in your 'bomb' theory as to render it silly. Yet you can't resolve any of them. Worse, you refuse to address any of them, or even acknowledge they exist.

You do NOT crash an airliner into a blast resistant wall ( such as at the PENTAGON ) and at the angle that the alleged "FLT77" was said to have struck, and not have many tons of aircraft wreckage on the PENTAGON lawn.

Says who? You're making these declarative statements backed by absolutely nothing and then insisting that they must be accepted as irrefutable fact. Yet you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Making your 'declarative statements' little more than uninformed personal opinion.

And there was debris all over the pentagon lawn. There are pictures of it and eye witness testimony. You simply ignore it all and then pretend it doesn't exist. But why would a rational person pretend with you?

also note that the WTC towers "collapsed" at a rate that includes periods
of downward acceleration at 64% of the acceleration of gravity, impossible without a LOT of help from something ( C4 .... or? )

Says who? First off, your claims on the speed of the collapse are just you citing yourself. And your insistence that its impossible without 'lots of help' is just you tying the words. You are not a source on anything.

And of course, your 'C4' theory is a joke.

1) There were no bombs found...not before, during or after the collapse. These buildings weren't museums. They were used daily, remodeled, inspected, maintained, cleaned. Yet there were exactly 0 bombs ever found.

2) There was no apparatus of explosives ever found. Not an inch of blasting wire. Not

3) The WTC 1 and 2 fell exactly opposite of controlled demolition, falling top to bottom....where controlled demolition is bottom to top. WHich means that every single floor from the point of the initial collapse to the ground would have had to have been destroyed individually. Meaning bombs on every single floor. With 47 core columns and roughly 250 outer panels per floor.....and the towers collapsing first at the 90th and 79th floor respectively, you would have needed over 50,000 charges to bring down the Twin Towers.

Yet there were none.

4) There were no girders cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition. None.

5) There was no residue of explosives ever found. Despite analysis of the dust samples from the WTC plaza so precise that they found prescription medication from the WTC pharmacy.

6) The buildings were on fire on many floors, meaning that any floor where there was significant fire would have been utterly inhospitable to bombs. Detonation cord would have detonated, any wires would have been reduced to bubbling pools of plastic, same for any timers or transcievers. And of course the collapse initiated at the point of impact with each plane.

And there's no system of explosives that handles being on fire and being hit by speeding airliners.

7) The building manager inspected the zone immediately below the WTC 1 impact site....before the collapse but AFTER the impact. And found zero bombs.

8) There were no seismic signatures of the use of explosives before, during or after the collapse.

9) The Port Authority Bomb Squad had searched the entire WTC plaza for bombs and found nothing......only a week before the collapse. And they had bomb sniffing dogs with them......which definitely know the scent of C4.

Any one of these issues renders your conspiracy ludicrously unlikely. And you can't resole any of them.
also the fact that the real perpetrators controlled the scene so tightly that no reporters were allowed to photograph ground zero right after the "collapse" events.

The area was ON FIRE and a crime zone. There were girders falling from overhead buildings, bodies being recovered. Of course reporters weren't allowed on the scene.

There were pictures galore taken from the scene. You simply ignore any that doesn't match your story. Worse, there were reporters and pictures a plenty of the planes hitting the WTC 1 and 2....yet you still insist that no hijacked planes ever hit them. So clearly its not reporter access that is your common denominator.

You're again trying to insinuate an argument you know you can't factually support. Which is an excuse, not an argument.
 
"There was no residue of explosives ever found. Despite analysis of the dust samples from the WTC plaza so precise that they found prescription medication from the WTC pharmacy."

"The Port Authority Bomb Squad had searched the entire WTC plaza for bombs and found nothing......only a week before the collapse. And they had bomb sniffing dogs with them......which definitely know the scent of C4."

My question about this is: where is it documented, that is the looking for explosives and not finding any? Please post a pointer to documentation.
& Thank U very much.
 
"There was no residue of explosives ever found. Despite analysis of the dust samples from the WTC plaza so precise that they found prescription medication from the WTC pharmacy."

"The Port Authority Bomb Squad had searched the entire WTC plaza for bombs and found nothing......only a week before the collapse. And they had bomb sniffing dogs with them......which definitely know the scent of C4."

My question about this is: where is it documented, that is the looking for explosives and not finding any? Please post a pointer to documentation.
& Thank U very much.
Where, pray tell, is the documentation of any C4 at the WTC plaza.....before, during or after the collapse on 911? A single bomb? A single inch of blasting wire? A single girder cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition?

Please post a pointer to documentation affirming each.

When you do, I'll be happy to provide you with the accounts of Daria Coard with WTC security, and the accounts of Police Officer David Lim with the Port Authority Bomb Squad. Both of whom affirm the intense search for bombs at WTC plaza as late as a week before the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 in response to phone threats. Including the use of K9 units trained in bomb detection.

Additionally, I'll provide you with the microscopic analysis of WTC dust by Nicholas Petraco of The New York Microscopic Society, presented in May of 2003. Which shows absolutely no residue of any kind of explosive nor incendiary device.

But demanding documentation while presenting none is a failure of your own standards.
 
Here's the true reason that the Truthers are having so much trouble convincing the public at large:

It's just too big a job to lobotomize so many people enough to swallow that nonsense.
 
Herein lies the paradox. If the American people
want truth they must acknowledge that they have been
deceived. If that were to happen, and if they were to
accept the facts that have been uncovered by the
independent 9/11 research community, their faith in
their government would be irreparably destroyed. In
the long run, it is far easier to maintain one's faith
in a deceptive government than to deal with the
painful details of that deception.

Your 'paradox' is flawed. As it begins with the assumption that the truth is the conspiracy. And that the official version is the lie. With the only impediment being the willingness of the masses to 'believe the truth'.

The problem you face is far more fundamental: you don't have the evidence to carry any of the major conspiracy narratives. Nor do the narratives make much sense. And most are overwhelmingly contradicted by spectacularly compelling evidence. And most of the conspiracy narratives are absurdly, almost ludicrously complicated and elaborate.

If you really have an open mind, you may want to question your assumptions. As when you apply the same critical eye to the conspiracy accounts, you'll find most are quite awful at describing 911.

Most of the conspiracy points work only in isolation, they attempt to explain one minor thing, ignoring the whole picture. The truthers then move onto the next individual component, mis-analyze that item, and then move onto the next.

At each step they ignore Occam's Razor, until you get to the point of abject sillyness.
 
"the accounts of Daria Coard with WTC security, and the accounts of Police Officer David Lim with the Port Authority Bomb Squad. Both of whom affirm the intense search for bombs at WTC plaza as late as a week before the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 in response to phone threats. Including the use of K9 units trained in bomb detection."

Please give me a link to where this is documented, I'm interested in seeing it.
 
"the accounts of Daria Coard with WTC security, and the accounts of Police Officer David Lim with the Port Authority Bomb Squad. Both of whom affirm the intense search for bombs at WTC plaza as late as a week before the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 in response to phone threats. Including the use of K9 units trained in bomb detection."

Please give me a link to where this is documented, I'm interested in seeing it.

Right after you provide the documentation of any C4 at the WTC plaza.....before, during or after the collapse on 911. Or the documentation of a single bomb, a single inch of blasting wire, or any apparatus of explosive. Or provide us with documentation of a single girder cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition.

As you demonstrated with your flagrant dismissal of Fred Marsilla regarding the height of the pile of debris, you have no interest in seeing anything. You have interest only in ignoring anything that contradicts you.

All while being able to back your conspiracy up with nothing.
 

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