Why 911 Lies are easire to believe than 911 TRUTH

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    TV News Lies published an essay which shows the main
    problem facing 911-truth types when trying to persuade
    their fellow citizens (See also Signs of the Times for
    some interesting commentary on that essay). The crime
    is so big and would require so much rethinking on the
    part of people that they won't consider the truth of
    the matter no matter how much persuasive evidence is
    amassed:

    In this post 9/11 era, most Americans are unable
    even to consider the possibility of US government
    complicity in the attacks on our nation even when
    confronted with a mountain of evidence. In contrast,
    many of these same people accept far less believable
    scenarios simply on the basis of faith and without a
    single shred of evidence such as believing in the
    existence of a God. Tragically, they seem to have the
    exact same blind trust in the Bush administration.

    At close inspection, the official version of 9/11
    is outrageously full of holes. When those of us who
    are knowledgeable discuss the evidence that has been
    unearthed about that day, there is so much to reveal
    that we don't know where to start or where to stop.
    When tapped for what we know, we have so much to
    expose that the torrent of information that rushes can
    sound like the meaningless rant of a lunatic.
    Regardless of how credible or tangible the evidence,
    when rolled out in front of the public, it often
    sounds too farfetched or irrational to believe.

    The facts that have come out about 9/11 differ so
    greatly from the official story that they almost defy
    validity. On the contrary, the official version is so
    simple as to be perfectly believable. It places the
    entire blame on the work of a handful of terrorists
    who hated us for our freedom. Case closed.

    It is important to keep in mind that the 9/11
    issue is not simply a question of whose version of a
    story is correct. This is a case in which millions of
    people would be taking a great risk. They would have
    to consider that the very government they have trusted
    and supported for more than four years may have
    participated in an unthinkable atrocity. That, in
    itself, may be impossible. By opening their minds to
    an objective examination of what has been discovered
    about the 9/11 attacks, millions of Americans would
    have to abandon their blind faith in this
    administration, and reject the mistaken belief that
    those in charge of our nation can do no wrong. That,
    too, may be impossible.

    Herein lies the paradox. If the American people
    want truth they must acknowledge that they have been
    deceived. If that were to happen, and if they were to
    accept the facts that have been uncovered by the
    independent 9/11 research community, their faith in
    their government would be irreparably destroyed. In
    the long run, it is far easier to maintain one's faith
    in a deceptive government than to deal with the
    painful details of that deception.

    The consequence of such denial is that people end
    up believing what they must, rather than what is true.
    As time passes, they totally erase the distinction
    between fact and fiction in order to believe in their
    government, and they find themselves living in the
    America of 2005.

    ...Ironically, it's almost funny when the
    fact-based 9/11 research community gathers to discuss
    the events of that day. The official government
    version of what happened loses so much credibility in
    the light of the available facts, films, testimony &
    chronicled history that it is almost impossible not to
    laugh in disbelief when we start to share what we
    know. The evidence that has been amassed is so
    persuasive as to rip the official version of 9/11 to
    shreds. And still, there is no one but ourselves to
    hear us.

    We go on and on and on like people obsessed
    because as responsible citizens of the world we have
    assigned ourselves the task of exposing the truth. But
    we also have to accept the obstacles we face. We must
    understand how and why people refuse to believe what
    we say despite all the evidence in our possession.

    ...The people who were responsible for the attacks
    of 9/11 did something so unbelievable that most people
    would not believe they did it, even if presented with
    conclusive evidence of their guilt. As a result, they
    also carried it off, and the evidence be damned.

    In the end, there is always the comment by those
    who would discredit the research and the evidence that
    has been uncovered. The defenders of the official
    version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many people
    could keep a secret. "Wouldn't someone have blown the
    whistle by now?" is the constant challenge by the
    champions of denial. How naïve they are.

    At the higher levels of government the issue is no
    longer about secrecy, but about survival. The extent
    of the 9/11 crimes are so great that a very real
    scenario of self preservation has arisen. Exposing the
    truth about 9/11 would virtually mean the end of the
    United States of America as a viable power. If the
    good people in our government and in our intelligence
    community exposed the truth, America would never ever
    regain its credibility in the world. We would never
    again be respected or trusted. We would immediately
    relinquish our leadership position in the world and
    sink to the position of a rogue nation that had
    committed an unforgivable atrocity against its own
    people for political purposes. We would expose the
    huge betrayal of trust that has been developed and
    nurtured over our 230 year history as a nation.

    The minute any ranking government official was
    charged with complicity in 9/11, this nation would be
    no more. We would never recover. The people who were
    involved in 9/11 know this. They know that there is
    more at stake than their exposure. They know that once
    they did what they did, they would never be held
    accountable.... [L]et me be the first to admit that
    these folks committed the perfect crime. Not in the
    sense that they would not be discovered, but in the
    sense they knew it would do more harm to the country
    to expose them than it would to play along with them.

    The perpetrators of 9/11 knew they were they
    protected by the blind loyalty of the American people
    who would refuse to believe they could have been
    involved. But they had another ace in the hole as
    well. They knew that no one who cared for the nation
    would reveal the truth, for to seek justice would in
    essence bring down the nation.

    Bottom line: the truth is out there, the evidence
    is real. But there are none so blind as those who will
    not see. Think about that, and weep for us all.


    This is why it makes no sense to hand the Powers That
    Be a gift on a silver platter by closing off inquiry
    on the strong possibility that no passenger plane hit
    the Pentagon. We can't afford to give up any weapon of
    truth in this fight, including the myth that the
    United States is a force for good in the world that
    sometimes makes "mistakes." We have to attack
    (metaphorically speaking, of course) on all fronts.
     
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    I would need to know more details of the plan I see some major obstacles ,the first being the able danger program and Intel agency's . it would be great if it could be arranged any reports from agents or citizens like flight school instructors are ignored..also it would be helpful if NORAD could be confused by drills taking place at the very same time as the real event .this would also have the benefit of having a lack of fighter interceptors in the target areas.as for targets like the pentagon I am concerned the flight skills required would make the probability of success with a pilot who cant fly a Cessna very low.. radar and missile defense systems that guard the pentagon are also of much concern...and of course successfully gain control of 4 aircraft basically the perfect storm... a series multiple of convenient failures will be required for this plan to suceed...if it is your desire to have the targets destroyed completely this perfect storm series of highly improbable events will also need to be arranged
     
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    No Problem...We will also confiscate all video taken at the time it happens and ship all the debris to China before anyone can look at it. If they find the Thermate we will come up with some bullshit to hide it. The general public will also believe that a commercial airliner can perform a 270 degree turn dropping 7000 feet at 500 miles per hour, they don't know it can't do that without ripping the wings off.
     
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    No problamo, these things constitute the background of life in the big city, but please keep this a secret, ok.
     
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    We battle not against flesh & blood but against the powers & principalities of the air..... ( etc .... ) U get the picture?
     
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    The main problem that truthers have with convincing their fellow citizens is that their alternative explanations are usually quite awful. I mean, really, really bad. Holographic planes, invisible bombs, orbiting weapons platforms firing directed energy weapons, 'nano-thermite' and just ludicrously enormous conspiracies involving thousands and thousands and thousands of people....all keeping their secrets perfectly for over a decade.

    Our government is absurdly pourous. We couldn't keep our nuclear secrets or our NSA survelliance programs secret as long as would have this supposed conspiracy.

    Its not that the official version is perfect. Its that it matches the facts more closely, is far more plausible, and far simpler than almost all the truther narratives. Occam's Razor is intuitively obvious to most folks. And it cuts to the truther story to ribbons.
     
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    The problem with that narrative being all the pieces of the plane and bodies of the Flight 77 passengers they found inside the pentagon. Really putting a kink in that 'strong possibility'.

    As for that to have been faked, the people you would have had to have folded in are legion. I mean, the plane didn't fly in a deserted wilderness under cover of darkness. It flew low over I-395 in the middle of a traffic jam. There are literally dozens of accounts of a plane hitting the pentagon and likely hundreds of witnesses. And they'd all have to be plants.

    You'd have to fake the black boxes, fake all the autopsies, fake all the genetic testing, somehow cajole the emergency services who arrived to lie their ass off, plant all those plane pieces on the lawn, talk the ASCE to fake an elaborate report, fake all the radar records, fake the crash investigation, coverup whatever actually hit the pentagon, somehow dispose of the *actual* plane and all the passengers involving everyone from the FBI to the NTSB to the NIST to the ASCE to the DoD to the local fire department.

    Or.....you can just crash the plane into the pentagon.

    I mean, its not like they had an aversion to crashing planes into buildings. Even if you think it was a conspiracy, the elaborate coverup just makes no sense when crashing the plane works just as well and is infinitely simpler.

    Occam's razor ....its why the official theory is so much more compelling than the absurdly elaborate alternatives.
     
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    Your 'paradox' is flawed. As it begins with the assumption that the truth is the conspiracy. And that the official version is the lie. With the only impediment being the willingness of the masses to 'believe the truth'.

    The problem you face is far more fundamental: you don't have the evidence to carry any of the major conspiracy narratives. Nor do the narratives make much sense. And most are overwhelmingly contradicted by spectacularly compelling evidence. And most of the conspiracy narratives are absurdly, almost ludicrously complicated and elaborate.

    If you really have an open mind, you may want to question your assumptions. As when you apply the same critical eye to the conspiracy accounts, you'll find most are quite awful at describing 911.
     
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    Ad for paper: needed 19 America hating people, willing to fly planes into tall buildings and other assorted targets. Chances of survival none for those in buildings. Mission is a ultra secret. Job requirements: you need to come to America and learn how to maneuver a large airliner into said targets using remote control. You need to have no moral base and have no compulsion in killing innocent people of all races and creeds. You need to fly these planes remotely, you will need to show ability because we don't want planes falling into open fields. Please keep this information secret. Pay will be in stock in Halliburton as we will pre-arrange the payment as you desire. Please call or write, Top Secret attack plan at 123-555-4321, or email top.secret@youfool.com
     
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