Whose medical decisions? Part IV

The healthcare problems go beyond insurance. Insurance is just a quick fix right now to cover those who are falling through the cracks. Healthcare costs are escallating. Pharmacy costs are through the roof. Doctors, lawyers, hospitals, pharmacy all are driving up the costs. Much of the rise in costs are due to some of the truly amazing procedures and drugs they have right now.
The problem is, the common worker is getting priced out of healthcare. If you get sick, you can't work, you lose insurance, you run up bills, lose your home....

It is happening all over America. Ask someone in Europe or Canada if they know anyone who lost their home because they got sick? It happened to the family across the street from me last year
 
This seriously shouldn't be a survival of the fitest type system where only the most financially strong survive. I mean seriously people didn't we learn anything from the whole wall street situation lol??!!! Of what happens when the fat cats on top are allowed to pretty much run wild at the expense of the average American taxpayer.

Granted I know Republicans always make the claim that you're unisured because you want to be, but the problem here isn't just the uninsured, it's those who have to break the bank just to be able to pay for crucial health care, that even with insurance many people still can't afford.
 
I pay for my own, and it's subsidized by Medicare ... next attempted point?

My point is ...I feel sorry for you
Insurance companies screw people who are self insured. Higher rates, copays........god forbid you become seriously ill....they will find a way to drop you

Using the republican "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" your medical payments will escallate over the next ten years......Good luck
Yep, the price of gasoline, groceries and water will also escalate over the next few years. That's called inflation, and it is a natural phenoma in the world. The companies whom we have insurance coverage with also pay those inflation prices, so in order to offer you an insurance policy, naturally their prices will rise with the inflation rate. You really need to go to college and take an economics 101 course.
 
Let me tell you what happened to my neighbors across the street.
The wife worked for a small company and had family health insurance. The husband was self employed as a trucker. The wife developed fibromyalgia which caused extreme muscle aches and fatigue. She started to miss work and eventually was layed off. Now they had one salary and the husband had to try to find individual insurance.
Guess how easy that is when one of you has a pre existing condition?
They ended up taking a second mortgage on the house to pay for bills......then a third
They ended up losing the house they had lived in for 25 years.
 
Very valid points rightwinger, I personally think that we as Americans who are supposed to be one of the most well off nations on the planet shouldn't have to fall prey to a system that forces us to dig even deeper into our pockets so everyone from high paid pharmacy executives to hospital directors can rake in the dough.
 
Yup kind of how those shady home loans just seemed to inflate soaring, and look at the effect that had on the nation's economy. We pay taxes for everything from children's education to fire, police, and paramedic services, i'm sure you'd probably consider those socialist as well right?
 
No, they don't. Do you honestly believe the hospitals and doctors are right for charging $10,000 for an MRI?

Tell me about it..
My wife had heart surgery this year and spent three weeks in the hospital.
My bills are still coming in, but I am over $300K already. I was insured thankfully, but still have well over $10K out of pocket. Makes me understand how some people end up going bankrupt or lose their homes.
Hint: This does not happen in Europe or Canada

I pray your wife is doing well and is recovering quickly.

Immie
 
Amazing but republicans look at healthcare as a luxury. If you or a loved one has ever been really sick you would know how important it is
 
No, they don't. Do you honestly believe the hospitals and doctors are right for charging $10,000 for an MRI?

Tell me about it..
My wife had heart surgery this year and spent three weeks in the hospital.
My bills are still coming in, but I am over $300K already. I was insured thankfully, but still have well over $10K out of pocket. Makes me understand how some people end up going bankrupt or lose their homes.
Hint: This does not happen in Europe or Canada

I pray your wife is doing well and is recovering quickly.

Immie
Why is healthcare insurance any different from the insurance you pay for house or car insurance? Why do you think that health insurance is a priviledge that should be paid for by the general public through taxes? Somebody has to pay for it. The doctors and hospitals aren't goint to work for nothing. You lefties have your head stuck in the sand when it comes to taxation of the general public to pay for services. Right now, we taxpayers pay for all public used facilities, but for now, we don't pay for your individual health insurance, and I hope it stays that way as the Obamacare healthcare proposal is a purely socialistic system which taxes those of us who don't have medical problems to pay for those who do and can't or won't afford it.
 
No, they don't. Do you honestly believe the hospitals and doctors are right for charging $10,000 for an MRI?

Tell me about it..
My wife had heart surgery this year and spent three weeks in the hospital.
My bills are still coming in, but I am over $300K already. I was insured thankfully, but still have well over $10K out of pocket. Makes me understand how some people end up going bankrupt or lose their homes.
Hint: This does not happen in Europe or Canada

Hint: They don't have the FDA mob bosses to drive the prices up. ;)
 
No, they don't. Do you honestly believe the hospitals and doctors are right for charging $10,000 for an MRI?

Tell me about it..
My wife had heart surgery this year and spent three weeks in the hospital.
My bills are still coming in, but I am over $300K already. I was insured thankfully, but still have well over $10K out of pocket. Makes me understand how some people end up going bankrupt or lose their homes.
Hint: This does not happen in Europe or Canada

I pray your wife is doing well and is recovering quickly.

Immie


Thank you
 
Tell me about it..
My wife had heart surgery this year and spent three weeks in the hospital.
My bills are still coming in, but I am over $300K already. I was insured thankfully, but still have well over $10K out of pocket. Makes me understand how some people end up going bankrupt or lose their homes.
Hint: This does not happen in Europe or Canada

I pray your wife is doing well and is recovering quickly.

Immie
Why is healthcare insurance any different from the insurance you pay for house or car insurance? Why do you think that health insurance is a priviledge that should be paid for by the general public through taxes? Somebody has to pay for it. The doctors and hospitals aren't goint to work for nothing. You lefties have your head stuck in the sand when it comes to taxation of the general public to pay for services. Right now, we taxpayers pay for all public used facilities, but for now, we don't pay for your individual health insurance, and I hope it stays that way as the Obamacare healthcare proposal is a purely socialistic system which taxes those of us who don't have medical problems to pay for those who do and can't or won't afford it.

Thanks for your posts Soaring. They show the mindset of the republican party.
The difference is that we are the richest country on earth. We have long held ourselves up as an example on human rights. Have you ever been really sick? Do you know what it is like to be in severe pain? How about every day? Ever lose a child?
These are the problems Americans face every day. Health care is not a luxury. People die. People suffer. The richest country in the world should be able to ensure its people have basic healthcare. Millions of Americans put off diagnostic and preventive procedures because they cannot afford them.
Nobody is proposing "free healthcare for everyone". Nobody is proposing "Free healthcare for illegal aliens" Nobody is proposing "Death Panels". Those who can pay for healthcare will continue to do so. Those who can't will receive it for free. Yes, poor people will not be allowed to die if they can't afford it.
 
Tell me about it..
My wife had heart surgery this year and spent three weeks in the hospital.
My bills are still coming in, but I am over $300K already. I was insured thankfully, but still have well over $10K out of pocket. Makes me understand how some people end up going bankrupt or lose their homes.
Hint: This does not happen in Europe or Canada

I pray your wife is doing well and is recovering quickly.

Immie
Why is healthcare insurance any different from the insurance you pay for house or car insurance? Why do you think that health insurance is a priviledge that should be paid for by the general public through taxes? Somebody has to pay for it. The doctors and hospitals aren't goint to work for nothing. You lefties have your head stuck in the sand when it comes to taxation of the general public to pay for services. Right now, we taxpayers pay for all public used facilities, but for now, we don't pay for your individual health insurance, and I hope it stays that way as the Obamacare healthcare proposal is a purely socialistic system which taxes those of us who don't have medical problems to pay for those who do and can't or won't afford it.

Um,

Why are you quoting me and asking me these questions?

Did I ever say health insurance was a privilege? Let me state this loud and clear, if I have ever posted that... then my account has been hacked, because I NEVER typed that. Never!!

Immie
 
I pray your wife is doing well and is recovering quickly.

Immie
Why is healthcare insurance any different from the insurance you pay for house or car insurance? Why do you think that health insurance is a priviledge that should be paid for by the general public through taxes? Somebody has to pay for it. The doctors and hospitals aren't goint to work for nothing. You lefties have your head stuck in the sand when it comes to taxation of the general public to pay for services. Right now, we taxpayers pay for all public used facilities, but for now, we don't pay for your individual health insurance, and I hope it stays that way as the Obamacare healthcare proposal is a purely socialistic system which taxes those of us who don't have medical problems to pay for those who do and can't or won't afford it.

Thanks for your posts Soaring. They show the mindset of the republican party.
The difference is that we are the richest country on earth. We have long held ourselves up as an example on human rights. Have you ever been really sick? Do you know what it is like to be in severe pain? How about every day? Ever lose a child?
These are the problems Americans face every day. Health care is not a luxury. People die. People suffer. The richest country in the world should be able to ensure its people have basic healthcare. Millions of Americans put off diagnostic and preventive procedures because they cannot afford them.
Nobody is proposing "free healthcare for everyone". Nobody is proposing "Free healthcare for illegal aliens" Nobody is proposing "Death Panels". Those who can pay for healthcare will continue to do so. Those who can't will receive it for free. Yes, poor people will not be allowed to die if they can't afford it.

To some extent, I agree with much of what you have said here.

Quite personally, I wouldn't mind being taxed to make sure that the poor are provided necessary health care much the same way as we provide food and money via Welfare. My biggest problem with the Health Care Reform moving through Congress today, is the idea that the government thinks it needs to force businesses to comply (8% tax), citizens to comply or be penalized (the 2.5% tax) and that government also believes that it has the right to dictate to private insurers what services they will and will not offer to their customers.

If we are talking about providing health care services to the poor, then I'm all for it. I'm all for reform of Health Care as well, but not in the manner that I just described above.

Immie
 
I pray your wife is doing well and is recovering quickly.

Immie
Why is healthcare insurance any different from the insurance you pay for house or car insurance? Why do you think that health insurance is a priviledge that should be paid for by the general public through taxes? Somebody has to pay for it. The doctors and hospitals aren't goint to work for nothing. You lefties have your head stuck in the sand when it comes to taxation of the general public to pay for services. Right now, we taxpayers pay for all public used facilities, but for now, we don't pay for your individual health insurance, and I hope it stays that way as the Obamacare healthcare proposal is a purely socialistic system which taxes those of us who don't have medical problems to pay for those who do and can't or won't afford it.

Um,

Why are you quoting me and asking me these questions?

Did I ever say health insurance was a privilege? Let me state this loud and clear, if I have ever posted that... then my account has been hacked, because I NEVER typed that. Never!!

Immie

Doesn't say you did, immie, it says Soaring did.



Soaring said:

Why is healthcare insurance any different from the insurance you pay for house or car insurance?


Because houses and cars are replaceable, people are not.
 
Why is healthcare insurance any different from the insurance you pay for house or car insurance? Why do you think that health insurance is a priviledge that should be paid for by the general public through taxes? Somebody has to pay for it. The doctors and hospitals aren't goint to work for nothing. You lefties have your head stuck in the sand when it comes to taxation of the general public to pay for services. Right now, we taxpayers pay for all public used facilities, but for now, we don't pay for your individual health insurance, and I hope it stays that way as the Obamacare healthcare proposal is a purely socialistic system which taxes those of us who don't have medical problems to pay for those who do and can't or won't afford it.

Um,

Why are you quoting me and asking me these questions?

Did I ever say health insurance was a privilege? Let me state this loud and clear, if I have ever posted that... then my account has been hacked, because I NEVER typed that. Never!!

Immie

Doesn't say you did, immie, it says Soaring did.



Soaring said:

Why is healthcare insurance any different from the insurance you pay for house or car insurance?


Because houses and cars are replaceable, people are not.

The way I read that is Soaring is asking me (by quoting me) why I believe health care is a privilege. But it is early and I'm not fully awake. :) And just clarifying to anyone else who reads this, half awake, that I never made such a statement.

Immie
 
Hey Republicans...
Don't like "Obamacare"????

Who's fault is it??
Republicans had eight years to put through a comprehensive healthcare plan of their liking. What did they do???
Absolutely, fucking NOTHING

Um ... no ... :doubt:
They tried from a different angle, by trying to lower prices in the US on everything.


How did the Republicans try to do that, exactly, KK?

By crashing the economy? By sending American workers' jobs offshore?

By giving corporations tax breaks for moving their HQs to tax havens in foreign countries?

By giving the stupendously wealthy tax breaks necessitating that the government would have to borrow money to pay the bills?

Is that how the Republicans worked to make the prices of things go down?

Interesting plan...


Though they failed to do it,

They certain succeeded in bringing down the cost of real estate and stocks, though.



doesn't make their idea bad or wrong, and that's what you are missing.

I guess I'm still missing it.

How did the Republicans in Congress strive to make the cost of living for HC insurance purchasers GO DOWN?
 
I'll let you know when there is a Republican congress ... however the Republican politicians did try by attempting to boost the economy ... as I said, they failed to accomplish anything, but they did try. A good economy with enough competition, less red tape, and less expensive and oppressive "masters" (ie, the government) would have lowered prices across the board. But they failed because they didn't want to sacrifice their power, which was suppose to be the role liberals played, but we haven't had any good liberal politicians in a long time.
 

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