Who's willing to die for Israel?

Discussion in 'Israel and Palestine' started by Ike, Jan 17, 2004.

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    Americans are dying for Israel.

    They are dying in Iraq.

    They are dying in Afghanistan.

    They died in New York.

    Regardless what some dissenters would like to claim, the TRUTH is that the overwhelming majority of hostility towards Americans in the Arab and Muslim world, comes from their overthrowing the Shah of Iran, and supporting the state of Israel.

    If one variable had to be chosen, one single foreign policy that endgagers the lives of Americans abroad most, it would be support of Israel.

    I'm not American.

    Many of you are.

    I am not implicity saying the US should stop supporting Israel, or that it should.

    What I am saying, is that its support of this country UNQUESTIONABLY has resulted in the loss of many American lives.

    So, I ask you all: Are you prepared to die so that Israel can continue to exist?

    Are you prepared to send your friends and future children to war so that Israel can continue to exist?

    Is yes, tell me why.

    If not, tell me why.
     
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    Ike, I think we should continue to support them. Look I have no great love of Isreal, in fact I think them are wrong on many points, but I do not believe we can allow our foreign policies to be shaped by fear of terrorism. That is playing right into the hands of the terrorists, and if we allow this, what will they demand next ?
     
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    I too think we (The West, not just America) should continue to support Israel, I may disagree with them very strongly at times but Israel is here to stay and they should be allowed to live in peace and security. After all that is what I want for my wife and kids, why should Israelis be entitled to any less.

    For me it is as simple as that.

    Also I dispute the fact that currently American/Allied lives are being lost in Afghanistan and Iraq for Israel. Historically I concede you could trace the root causes of the conflict as being the existence of Israel but the current conflict is more complex than that.

    Osama used American support of Israel as just one of a number of justifications of the September 11 attack. I believe the current conflict has moved on to one of ideologies. The extremist form of Islam followed by Osama and his followers, requires them to, in the first instance force out non-Muslims from all Muslim countries, once this is done, they are required to convert or subjugate non-Muslim nations. This is what Al- Qaeda (sp?) is ultimately fighting for and why American/allied lives continue to be lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    BTW was Shah of Iran overthrown by USA? I though it was the Islamic Revolution/Ayatollah Khomeini (Sp?)?
    I'm not being funny but have you made an error or am I missing something, coz I thought America had a hand in installing the Shah not removing him.
     
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    The only reason why America supports Israel is because it is a democratic country in the middle of the tolalitatian middle east. It has nothing to do with religion. When will you stupid lefties get it through your idiotic brains.
     
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    well, proud, I am not a lefty. I am on the right. And I resent the flag you wave. Put up an American flag or get out.

    The fact is, our country's blind support of Israel is killing us, and it must stop.
     
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    Hey proud...first off welcome to the board ...welcome to you too william... I feel that we as a country should continue to show support to Israel if for no better reason then one democratic country helping another... william joyce..what would you have us to do..walk away and see a democratic country distroyed by terrorism because you dont like the star of david? the west will always be infidels to the radical islamics no matter what we do.
     
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    I do support disengagement from Israel. It costs us billions and gets us nothing but Arab hatred we wouldn't suffer otherwise. Israel isn't our "friend" for strategic or moral reasons, it's our "friend" because of the incredible power, wealth and influence of the Jewish lobby.
     
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    You can edit your profile to not show any avatars if you are so resentfull of ProudToBeAJew's avatar. No call for him to get out.
     
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    He is correct. This is still America and for the time being we still have free speech. I can even say:
     
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    Originally posted by Ike

    Americans are dying for Israel.

    Where are Americans dying for Israel? Who asked the Muslims to kill the infidels of the world? Why are the Jews dying instead of the Europeans at the hands of the Muhammad believers?

    You ask for the truth. Well here it is Muslim lover and hater of mankind. Here is the truth directly for the Muslim's own bible, the holy Qur'an. Read what Islam is instructed to do to all unbelievers unless they see the light and join Muhammad in his pedophilic paradise.

    http://www.islamicity.com/quransearch/default.asp?ref=95

     

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