Who's views are these?

[Two Thumbs]

Your Choices are

1. Ron Paul
2. Tea Party
3. Radical Right Wing
4. Libertarian
5. John Birch Society
6. All of the above

Oh, a race baiting thread.

how dull

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Upholds an originalist interpretation of the Constitution

The ‘originalism’ ‘originalist’ use to interpret the Constitution is itself an interpretation. ‘Originalism’ is no more or less valid than any other perception of the Constitution.

Correcting civil rights abuses that do exist should be accomplished at the state and local level, something The John Birch Society members - of all races, colors and ethnic backgrounds - have always supported. Civil rights legislation should have come from the states and the communities rather than being used as a steppingstone toward our present-day out-of-control federal government.

Which means that the John Birch Society said ...let racist states decide for themselves how much civil rights they will allow......10th amendment lunacy at it's finest.

Correct.

One doesn’t forfeit his Constitutional rights as a consequent of his state of residence, nor is one compelled to wait for his inalienable rights to be recognized by a majority – rights delayed are rights denied. The very purpose of the 14th Amendment is to ensure a consistent acknowledgement of each American’s rights, regardless of jurisdiction.

Just wait... "the living, breathing document" argument is coming.. wiat for it... wait for it...

The Constitution is neither ‘living and breathing,’ nor a static tome of immutable dogma – it exists only in the context of its case law, as interpreted by the courts.

 

[Steelplate]

is not what you first said.


This is what you said. Little fly meet web.

Good God man.... Learn to fucking read and Comprehend... Fred Koch was a founding member of the John Birch Society. The infamous Koch Brothers are Fred Koch's sons.....who are the biggest financial backers of the Tea Party... now... use your fingers and attempt to put two and two together.

You said he was the founder then after I corrected you by saying it was a grassroots movement with no leadership you said "That may be the way it "started","
A founder would be the one who started the group. It seems like you're trying to redefine founder for political expediences. Which is a fallacy on your part. In other words their were no founding members just cohesion of people coming together

I am also a founding member, as are most of the original members are.

Re-read my original post on the subject.... I NEVER said that Fred Koch was the "founding member of the Tea Party...I said he was a founding member of the John Birch Society. I NEVER said that his sons....the Koch Brothers were founding members of the Tea Party.... I said that they were their major financial backers...

Here's a past of my original post... Remember... This thread is "who's views are these?".... the answer was... THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY....Not the Tea Party. Anyway... the question was answered....so I ADDED to the discussion by mentioning that the Koch Brothers' father was a founding member. The last part... the part I put in BOLD was what I feel that the Tea Party is... a neo(meaning "new") John Birch Society.

Anyway.. here it is....

"And one of it's founding members????

Wait for it.... (drumroll).....

Fred Koch... the Father of the Koch Brothers! the Tea Party is the Neo-JBS."

Now... You tell me where I said that Any of the Kochs were founding members of the Tea Party.

Truth is... You don't have very good reading comprehension skills. sorry.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Good God man.... Learn to fucking read and Comprehend... Fred Koch was a founding member of the John Birch Society. The infamous Koch Brothers are Fred Koch's sons.....who are the biggest financial backers of the Tea Party... now... use your fingers and attempt to put two and two together.

You said he was the founder then after I corrected you by saying it was a grassroots movement with no leadership you said "That may be the way it "started","
A founder would be the one who started the group. It seems like you're trying to redefine founder for political expediences. Which is a fallacy on your part. In other words their were no founding members just cohesion of people coming together

I am also a founding member, as are most of the original members are.

Re-read my original post on the subject.... I NEVER said that Fred Koch was the "founding member of the Tea Party...I said he was a founding member of the John Birch Society. I NEVER said that his sons....the Koch Brothers were founding members of the Tea Party.... I said that they were their major financial backers...

Here's a past of my original post... Remember... This thread is "who's views are these?".... the answer was... THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY....Not the Tea Party. Anyway... the question was answered....so I ADDED to the discussion by mentioning that the Koch Brothers' father was a founding member. The last part... the part I put in BOLD was what I feel that the Tea Party is... a neo(meaning "new") John Birch Society.

Anyway.. here it is....

"And one of it's founding members????

Wait for it.... (drumroll).....

Fred Koch... the Father of the Koch Brothers! the Tea Party is the Neo-JBS."

Now... You tell me where I said that Any of the Kochs were founding members of the Tea Party.

Truth is... You don't have very good reading comprehension skills. sorry.

I'm a founding member just like all the original members so whats your point?

 

[Steelplate]

You said he was the founder then after I corrected you by saying it was a grassroots movement with no leadership you said "That may be the way it "started","
A founder would be the one who started the group. It seems like you're trying to redefine founder for political expediences. Which is a fallacy on your part. In other words their were no founding members just cohesion of people coming together

I am also a founding member, as are most of the original members are.

Re-read my original post on the subject.... I NEVER said that Fred Koch was the "founding member of the Tea Party...I said he was a founding member of the John Birch Society. I NEVER said that his sons....the Koch Brothers were founding members of the Tea Party.... I said that they were their major financial backers...

Here's a past of my original post... Remember... This thread is "who's views are these?".... the answer was... THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY....Not the Tea Party. Anyway... the question was answered....so I ADDED to the discussion by mentioning that the Koch Brothers' father was a founding member. The last part... the part I put in BOLD was what I feel that the Tea Party is... a neo(meaning "new") John Birch Society.

Anyway.. here it is....

"And one of it's founding members????

Wait for it.... (drumroll).....

Fred Koch... the Father of the Koch Brothers! the Tea Party is the Neo-JBS."

Now... You tell me where I said that Any of the Kochs were founding members of the Tea Party.

Truth is... You don't have very good reading comprehension skills. sorry.

I'm a founding member just like all the original members so whats your point?

The point is... The Tea Party is nothing more than Neo-John Birchers... You think you're new and unique... but it's the same old shit under a new name. Now that you have the Kochs funding you, it's even MORE so.

I think that's important to get that out. In many circles, the JBS Society was/is considered a hate group... and judging from the posts on here by those associated with the Tea Party... I don't think it's all that far off the mark. I've rarely seen nastier posts and rhetoric.... that's not all of you...some of your folk can hold a discussion... but most of you can't handle a dissenting voice.

And don't even begin to talk to me about the "racist" stuff... many times that the "race card" comes out by Progressives is when one of you guys decide to get cute with some off color mark about African Americans.... it's rarely thrown out for no reason... your side creates it's own stereotype in that regard...whether they really mean it or not.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Re-read my original post on the subject.... I NEVER said that Fred Koch was the "founding member of the Tea Party...I said he was a founding member of the John Birch Society. I NEVER said that his sons....the Koch Brothers were founding members of the Tea Party.... I said that they were their major financial backers...

Here's a past of my original post... Remember... This thread is "who's views are these?".... the answer was... THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY....Not the Tea Party. Anyway... the question was answered....so I ADDED to the discussion by mentioning that the Koch Brothers' father was a founding member. The last part... the part I put in BOLD was what I feel that the Tea Party is... a neo(meaning "new") John Birch Society.

Anyway.. here it is....

"And one of it's founding members????

Wait for it.... (drumroll).....

Fred Koch... the Father of the Koch Brothers! the Tea Party is the Neo-JBS."

Now... You tell me where I said that Any of the Kochs were founding members of the Tea Party.

Truth is... You don't have very good reading comprehension skills. sorry.

I'm a founding member just like all the original members so whats your point?

The point is... The Tea Party is nothing more than Neo-John Birchers... You think you're new and unique... but it's the same old shit under a new name. Now that you have the Kochs funding you, it's even MORE so.

I think that's important to get that out. In many circles, the JBS Society was/is considered a hate group... and judging from the posts on here by those associated with the Tea Party... I don't think it's all that far off the mark. I've rarely seen nastier posts and rhetoric.... that's not all of you...some of your folk can hold a discussion... but most of you can't handle a dissenting voice.

And don't even begin to talk to me about the "racist" stuff... many times that the "race card" comes out by Progressives is when one of you guys decide to get cute with some off color mark about African Americans.... it's rarely thrown out for no reason... your side creates it's own stereotype in that regard...whether they really mean it or not.

The point is... The Tea Party is nothing more than Neo-John Birchers

And obama is a Marxist see how that works?

Anyway.. here it is....

"And one of it's founding members????

I said I was also a founding member so your point is irrelevant

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

They are actually the views of the John Birch Society. Not much has changed with the radical rightwing in 50 years......different names but same extremist nonsense

John Birch Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

. The society upholds an originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, which it identifies with fundamentalist Christian principles, seeks to limit governmental powers, and opposes wealth redistribution, and economic interventionism. It not only opposes practices it terms collectivism, Totalitarianism, and communism, but socialism and fascism as well, which it asserts is infiltrating US governmental administration.

The society opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, claiming it violated the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped individual states' rights to enact laws regarding civil rights. The society opposes "one world government", and has an immigration reduction view on immigration reform. It opposes the United Nations, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and other free trade agreements. They argue the U.S. Constitution has been devalued to favor of political and economic globalization

And the Nazis supported government health care and socialism.

Actually, the Nazis arrested socialists

Much like today's rightwing would do if not for the Constitution

So, the Nationalsozialismus arrested themselves?

That's fucking rich.

 

[Steelplate]

I'm a founding member just like all the original members so whats your point?

The point is... The Tea Party is nothing more than Neo-John Birchers... You think you're new and unique... but it's the same old shit under a new name. Now that you have the Kochs funding you, it's even MORE so.

I think that's important to get that out. In many circles, the JBS Society was/is considered a hate group... and judging from the posts on here by those associated with the Tea Party... I don't think it's all that far off the mark. I've rarely seen nastier posts and rhetoric.... that's not all of you...some of your folk can hold a discussion... but most of you can't handle a dissenting voice.

And don't even begin to talk to me about the "racist" stuff... many times that the "race card" comes out by Progressives is when one of you guys decide to get cute with some off color mark about African Americans.... it's rarely thrown out for no reason... your side creates it's own stereotype in that regard...whether they really mean it or not.

The point is... The Tea Party is nothing more than Neo-John Birchers

And obama is a Marxist see how that works?

Anyway.. here it is....

"And one of it's founding members????

I said I was also a founding member so your point is irrelevant

Really? You were founding member of the John Birch Society?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The point is... The Tea Party is nothing more than Neo-John Birchers... You think you're new and unique... but it's the same old shit under a new name. Now that you have the Kochs funding you, it's even MORE so.

I think that's important to get that out. In many circles, the JBS Society was/is considered a hate group... and judging from the posts on here by those associated with the Tea Party... I don't think it's all that far off the mark. I've rarely seen nastier posts and rhetoric.... that's not all of you...some of your folk can hold a discussion... but most of you can't handle a dissenting voice.

And don't even begin to talk to me about the "racist" stuff... many times that the "race card" comes out by Progressives is when one of you guys decide to get cute with some off color mark about African Americans.... it's rarely thrown out for no reason... your side creates it's own stereotype in that regard...whether they really mean it or not.

And obama is a Marxist see how that works?

Anyway.. here it is....

"And one of it's founding members????

I said I was also a founding member so your point is irrelevant

Really? You were founding member of the John Birch Society?

You were talking about the TEA PARTY NOW YOU'VE MOVED THE GOAL POST. Keeping up with the liberal way.

 

[Steelplate]

And obama is a Marxist see how that works?




I said I was also a founding member so your point is irrelevant

Really? You were founding member of the John Birch Society?

You were talking about the TEA PARTY NOW YOU'VE MOVED THE GOAL POST. Keeping up with the liberal way.

WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? You are all over the place. The ONLY PERSON I MENTIONED THAT WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF ANYTHING WAS FRED KOCH...FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE JBS.

I think YOU'RE changing the goalposts, because either A. You can't fucking READ... or B. You're embarrased to know that your "So called" Tea Party... is nothing more than John Birch Redux.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Really? You were founding member of the John Birch Society?

You were talking about the TEA PARTY NOW YOU'VE MOVED THE GOAL POST. Keeping up with the liberal way.

WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? You are all over the place. The ONLY PERSON I MENTIONED THAT WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF ANYTHING WAS FRED KOCH...FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE JBS.

I think YOU'RE changing the goalposts, because either A. You can't fucking READ... or B. You're embarrased to know that your "So called" Tea Party... is nothing more than John Birch Redux.

The only person who is moving all over the place is the same person who moved the goal post. I have been talking about the TEA PARTY You were talking about the TEA party then you switched. I am still at the same place waiting on you to return with the goal post.

 

[Steelplate]

You were talking about the TEA PARTY NOW YOU'VE MOVED THE GOAL POST. Keeping up with the liberal way.

WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? You are all over the place. The ONLY PERSON I MENTIONED THAT WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF ANYTHING WAS FRED KOCH...FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE JBS.

I think YOU'RE changing the goalposts, because either A. You can't fucking READ... or B. You're embarrased to know that your "So called" Tea Party... is nothing more than John Birch Redux.

The only person who is moving all over the place is the same person who moved the goal post. I have been talking about the TEA PARTY You were talking about the TEA party then you switched. I am still at the same place waiting on you to return with the goal post.

Then why didn't you SAY Tea Party when you said "i am a founding member"? You left it wide open.

The point is... your views are theirs. Just so you know. They were pro-segregationists during the Civil Rights era... they believed in "Separate but Equal" even though they knew damned well that there was nothing equal about it. The white kids got the good books and the best teachers... the minority kids got the outdated books and the "leftovers" of the teaching profession....Now you have the NextGen of the JBS running your party.

Your side spews hate rhetoric against anyone who isn't one of your fold. Like I said.. I've never seen anything like it before in my lifetime. Your side claims that "libruls" did it to Bush... but it was nothing like this. Furthermore... you guys say that Obama is the "divider instead of uniter" but you know damned well that it's your side that's the divisive entity in our political environment. Lastly? The Public knows it... you may be in denial about it.. But the rest of America... Liberals... Democrats, Moderates and even what you'd call RINOs see your sides' bullshit for what it is. Ignorance fueled by anger and fear....funded by wealthy people who don't want the status quo to change one iota.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The point is... The Tea Party is nothing more than Neo-John Birchers... You think you're new and unique... but it's the same old shit under a new name. Now that you have the Kochs funding you, it's even MORE so.

True.

The TPM is nothing new – it’s mostly warmed-over neo-Populism mixed with the Old Bush Base.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? You are all over the place. The ONLY PERSON I MENTIONED THAT WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF ANYTHING WAS FRED KOCH...FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE JBS.

I think YOU'RE changing the goalposts, because either A. You can't fucking READ... or B. You're embarrased to know that your "So called" Tea Party... is nothing more than John Birch Redux.

The only person who is moving all over the place is the same person who moved the goal post. I have been talking about the TEA PARTY You were talking about the TEA party then you switched. I am still at the same place waiting on you to return with the goal post.

Then why didn't you SAY Tea Party when you said "i am a founding member"? You left it wide open.

The point is... your views are theirs. Just so you know. They were pro-segregationists during the Civil Rights era... they believed in "Separate but Equal" even though they knew damned well that there was nothing equal about it. The white kids got the good books and the best teachers... the minority kids got the outdated books and the "leftovers" of the teaching profession....Now you have the NextGen of the JBS running your party.

Your side spews hate rhetoric against anyone who isn't one of your fold. Like I said.. I've never seen anything like it before in my lifetime. Your side claims that "libruls" did it to Bush... but it was nothing like this. Furthermore... you guys say that Obama is the "divider instead of uniter" but you know damned well that it's your side that's the divisive entity in our political environment. Lastly? The Public knows it... you may be in denial about it.. But the rest of America... Liberals... Democrats, Moderates and even what you'd call RINOs see your sides' bullshit for what it is. Ignorance fueled by anger and fear....funded by wealthy people who don't want the status quo to change one iota.

Then why didn't you SAY Tea Party when you said "i am a founding member"? You left it wide open.

This is the post I asked you who you were talking about this is the start of our conversation.

How about the Neo-John Birch Society? You know... the Tea Party?

JBS... Fred Koch was a founding member....

TP....Koch Brothers are the biggest financial influence.

Coincidence? I think not.

Fred Koch was a founding member....

He was a founding member of what?

Hey... use some reasoning skills... What in the hell do you think JBS stands for? Here... I'll throw you a bone... John Birch Society.

Do I have to spell out TP for you too?

Your response was^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We have been talking about the TEA party and you know we were, so there was no need for me to say tea party it was implied by your stupid little comment or do I have to spell it out for you?. You just hate the fact that your claim about Koch being a founding member means nothing because I too am a founding member of the tea party, many people are founding members.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Upholds an originalist interpretation of the Constitution

The ‘originalism’ ‘originalist’ use to interpret the Constitution is itself an interpretation. ‘Originalism’ is no more or less valid than any other perception of the Constitution.

Correcting civil rights abuses that do exist should be accomplished at the state and local level, something The John Birch Society members - of all races, colors and ethnic backgrounds - have always supported. Civil rights legislation should have come from the states and the communities rather than being used as a steppingstone toward our present-day out-of-control federal government.

Which means that the John Birch Society said ...let racist states decide for themselves how much civil rights they will allow......10th amendment lunacy at it's finest.

Correct.

One doesn’t forfeit his Constitutional rights as a consequent of his state of residence, nor is one compelled to wait for his inalienable rights to be recognized by a majority – rights delayed are rights denied. The very purpose of the 14th Amendment is to ensure a consistent acknowledgement of each American’s rights, regardless of jurisdiction.

Just wait... "the living, breathing document" argument is coming.. wiat for it... wait for it...

The Constitution is neither ‘living and breathing,’ nor a static tome of immutable dogma – it exists only in the context of its case law, as interpreted by the courts.

INCORRECT!

You keep saying this but it's a lie. The courts derive their power from the constitution and they only exist to interpret the constitution not to change it. Without the constitution the courts have no power therefore they exist only in the context of the constitution. Actually their power to interpret the constitution is not explicitly defined within the constitution and is only and implied power. They have been guilty of powergrabbing too.