Whos Right on Global Warming: The United Nations IPCC or the Skeptics?

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lUeBz9TCXw&feature=channel]YouTube - Whos Right on Global Warming: The United Nations IPCC or the Skeptics?[/ame]
     
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    Thank you for the post - I have attended similar such forums as this regarding Global Warming - perhaps a dozen or so over the last decade.

    The stronger case was clearly made by the so-called "skeptic" - the science is flawed, politically motivated, and the IPPC in particular is run by government representatives whose primary benefit is that of economic controls, not science.

    The use of Galilleo vs the Pope was appropriate - as AGW has become a religion, with these grant-seeking scientists as missionaries spreading the gospel, while those who stand opposed to this group-think, are relegated to the proverbial tower - banished from the scientific community for not towing the group-think line.

    Thank you again - I enjoyed the debate...
     
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    Let's see...we know who is paying the IPCC folks. Government entiities who want greater control.

    Now who is paying the skeptics?

    I don't believe man is anywhere near as powerful to upset the planet as self centered egotism demands. No one had to buy influence to lead me to that conviction. Hell we are peons, unable to even help our fellows properly in (by contrast) a minor catastrophe like Katrina or a puny little sunami.

    Best to recognize where the real power lies.

    "What is man but a vapour"
     
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    Speaking as a layman in the field of climatology, I really don't know who is right, or for that matter if ANYBODY is right.

    Based mostly on my (admittedly layman's) understanding of chaos theory?

    I'm convinced that nobody really knows nuttin' about what our climate is going to do.

    Now the above is not an argument for doing nothing about the climate.

    The fact is that doing nothing really means continuing to pump pollutants into the atmosphere, and while I may know next to nothing about climatology, I don't think one needs a degree in natural sciences to know that dumping shit into the atmosphere is a bad idea generally.
     
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    So are you saying that plants eat shit?
     
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    That would be a valid argument, if we hadn't been catastrophically decimating the world's jungles and forests for the past few thousand years. Not only is there way more carbon dioxide, but much fewer trees to process it back to oxygen.
     
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    If you're a gardener you know that some fertilizer is a good thing but too much kills your crops.
     
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    Plants had plenty to eat before man.

    More carbon sources and fewer carbon sinks...

    Common sense and sustainability...

    One cannot shit in his nest for too long without it getting smelly.
     
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    Chaos theory rules ... and you made a great connection. Weather follows chaos theory (like most natural phenomenon) and so no, we don't know what's going on or what will happen. It's impossible.

    The only part of environut ranting I like ... getting rid of cars ... but meh, I still don't believe in ruling by fear. So, I want to get rid of cars for something less panic driven ... I just want cleaner air. But also, I don't think the choice should be taken away, which is why I will never side with the environuts ...
     
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    To answer the question; they both are. Just look at ozone depletion and particulate matter (smog), and one who watches trends sees the 15-30 year cycles in extreme cold winters and hot summers. I believe we have an extreme natural event going on with a planet that's having trouble digesting all of mankind's waste...

    Middle ground...common sense and sustainability. It will be much easier to get off our crude addiction sooner than later...
     
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