Who's bitter now, BO?

[ScreamingEagle]

"Unlike the elitist view that believes Americans cling to guns out of bitterness, today's ruling recognizes that gun ownership is a fundamental right -- sacred, just as the right to free speech and assembly."

--John McCain

THREE CHEERS FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT!!!


BTW where was the great bullshitter...er, orator, today?

McCain was there all by his lonesome at the local town hall meeting at Xavier University today….. where Obama had been invited to come debate him….what's Obama afraid of?


"Perhaps it would behoove Senator Obama, who feels that the gun control laws of his home city of Chicago are so effective, to examine more closely a town hailed by gun ownership advocates as a true success story of the Second Amendment; Kennesaw, Georgia, a town in the northern suburbs of Atlanta, this past April celebrated their 25th year without a single murder. What makes Kennesaw the pride of the Second Amendment supporters? Their city ordinance requiring that every home own at least one gun:

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.

This was not what some predicted.

Obama, McCain, and the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States - DigitalJournal.com: The Power of Citizen Journalism

 

[midcan5]

I was thinking about the recent hit on Obama that he is an elitist, isn’t it every Americans aspiration to be an elitist. You know one of those people with money who go to Yale and Harvard and party-hardy. Oh, sorry, wrong elitist. Then I thought suppose he is an elitist, do elitist automatically make bad decisions, you know like going to war and not having a clue. Oh, sorry, wrong elitist again. But then finally I got straight and thought what exactly is an elitist. So in search of the truth, I set out to the corner bar here in Hickville PA, you know one of those places with mostly Harleys outside, hay on the floor, three American beers on tap, and a sassy waitress with the sharpest tongue you’ll ever hear. And I sat down next to this tough looking character, blue sweat soaked bandanna dungarees heavy black boots and I asked him if he knew what an elitist was? He stared at me with cold blood shot eyes and I thought damn…but then he calmed a little and said the f_king no good sonsofbitches who closed down our factory and moved it to bumfuckegypt. I thanked him and at home checked Obama’s bio. No, for sure he ain’t no elitist.

 

[Ninja]

I was thinking about the recent hit on Obama that he is an elitist, isn’t it every Americans aspiration to be an elitist. You know one of those people with money who go to Yale and Harvard and party-hardy. Oh, sorry, wrong elitist. Then I thought suppose he is an elitist, do elitist automatically make bad decisions, you know like going to war and not having a clue. Oh, sorry, wrong elitist again. But then finally I got straight and thought what exactly is an elitist. So in search of the truth, I set out to the corner bar here in Hickville PA, you know one of those places with mostly Harleys outside, hay on the floor, three American beers on tap, and a sassy waitress with the sharpest tongue you’ll ever hear. And I sat down next to this tough looking character, blue sweat soaked bandanna dungarees heavy black boots and I asked him if he knew what an elitist was? He stared at me with cold blood shot eyes and I thought damn…but then he calmed a little and said the f_king no good sonsofbitches who closed down our factory and moved it to bumfuckegypt. I thanked him and at home checked Obama’s bio. No, for sure he ain’t no elitist.

Scalia's given this motherfucker brain freeze

 

[editec]

Just curious...do you think that Chicago would expereince more or less crime if every household there was ordered to have a gun on hand?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Just curious...do you think that Chicago would expereince more or less crime if every household there was ordered to have a gun on hand?

After the Kennesaw example given, you had to ask? Yer darn tootin' crime would decrease in Chicago if the citizenry were armed to the teeth in their own self defense…...OBVIOUSLY being unarmed hasn't done any good…unarming the citizenry is just another stupid idiotic liberal belief that has only wound up hurting more people than it helps…

….of course you understand the marxist liberal elite DON'T CARE that unarming the citizenry hurts people….all they are interested in is their own POWER….unarmed people are much more easy to manipulate and control…however, you'll notice that the elites always have armed guards around THEMSELVES….it's OK for THEM to protect themselves and family but YOU'RE not supposed to protect yourself and your loved ones…why the hell is that?? Their lives are somehow more important than your life? Fuck that.

We Americans have NO desire to go down the same path as our European counterparts…who are unarmed fools in PC chains… you'll notice that their crime rates are even higher than ours…although liberals lie about that too…

While overall crime in Europe is rising, the liberal-left in American continues to deceptively use the myth of low crime in Britain, France and other countries in order to disarm US gunowners, embarrass US law enforcement, and claim socialist programs will reduce crime in the United States.
...
Not surprising is the fact that Britons suffer through more burglaries than Americans. The US burglary rate is less than half the English rate. And, while 53 percent of British burglaries occur when someone is at home, only 13 percent do in America. Some believe this may be attributed to the fact that there is a greater likelihood of homeowners being armed in America, therefore America's burglars prefer committing their crimes when occupants are out. Not so in Britain.
...
The International Crime Victims Survey, based on 34,000 telephone interviews across 17 countries, found that 26 percent of people — more than one in four — in England and Wales had been victims of crime. The figure for Scotland was 23 percent and in Northern Ireland 15 percent. The United States had a 21 percent crime victimization rate.

After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 per cent), all higher than the United States.

In fact, if one discounts crimes committed by illegal aliens — almost 30 percent of American crime — the US would show even more dramatic decreases in violence and crime.

And what has been the British government's reaction? There are suspicions that crime reports are being manipulated to cover-up the increased dangers to public safety.

Immigration woes: Europe's crime rate rises; US rate declines

In 1996, Britain banned handguns. The ban was so tight that even shooters training for the Olympics were forced to travel to other countries to practice. In the six years since the ban, gun crimes have risen by an astounding 40%. Britain now leads the U.S. by a wide margin in robberies and aggravated assaults. Although murder and rape rates are still lower than in the U.S., the difference is shrinking quickly. Dave Rogers, vice chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, said that despite the ban, "the underground supply of guns does not seem to have dried up at all."

Australia also passed severe gun restrictions in 1996, banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively. In the subsequent four years, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24%, and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%.

The Wall Street Journal Online - Extra

 

[Ravi]

Their city ordinance requiring that every home own at least one gun:

IMO, it is just as unconstitutional to force people to own guns as to not allow them to do so.

What say you?

 

[Diuretic]

After the Kennesaw example given, you had to ask? Yer darn tootin' crime would decrease in Chicago if the citizenry were armed to the teeth in their own self defense…...OBVIOUSLY being unarmed hasn't done any good…unarming the citizenry is just another stupid idiotic liberal belief that has only wound up hurting more people than it helps…

….of course you understand the marxist liberal elite DON'T CARE that unarming the citizenry hurts people….all they are interested in is their own POWER….unarmed people are much more easy to manipulate and control…however, you'll notice that the elites always have armed guards around THEMSELVES….it's OK for THEM to protect themselves and family but YOU'RE not supposed to protect yourself and your loved ones…why the hell is that?? Their lives are somehow more important than your life? Fuck that.

We Americans have NO desire to go down the same path as our European counterparts…who are unarmed fools in PC chains… you'll notice that their crime rates are even higher than ours…although liberals lie about that too…

As far as I know this week didn't see a mass shooting at a business in Europe.

There was one in Kentucky I understand.

Why not keep the argument on track instead of introducing crap like you have?

The US is awash with firearms. Europe isn't. For that reason gun control in the US is hopeless. The best way for you to deal with it is to allow more and more freedom to own and use firearms. Europe doesn't have your problem so there's no comparison.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

IMO, it is just as unconstitutional to force people to own guns as to not allow them to do so.

What say you?

Then I guess it's also unconstitutional for the government to require homeowners to conform to all their building codes and fire and safety codes as well....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

As far as I know this week didn't see a mass shooting at a business in Europe.

There was one in Kentucky I understand.

Why not keep the argument on track instead of introducing crap like you have?

The US is awash with firearms. Europe isn't. For that reason gun control in the US is hopeless. The best way for you to deal with it is to allow more and more freedom to own and use firearms. Europe doesn't have your problem so there's no comparison.

You mean the crap about how Europeans have higher crime rates....along with their anti-gun laws?

Crimewise Europe has a worse problem than the US....even with less guns...

 

[Ravi]

Then I guess it's also unconstitutional for the government to require homeowners to conform to all their building codes and fire and safety codes as well....

I don't know, that isn't what I asked you.

If your right to bear arms cannot be infringed upon it would seem to me it goes both ways.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I don't know, that isn't what I asked you.

If your right to bear arms cannot be infringed upon it would seem to me it goes both ways.

I suppose you could be excused if you were a consciencious objector....

 

[Ravi]

I suppose you could be excused if you were a consciencious objector....

You're still not answering my question. Which leads me to wonder if the pro-gun people actually care about the constitution.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You're still not answering my question. Which leads me to wonder if the pro-gun people actually care about the constitution.

Show me where you have the constitutional right to NOT bear arms...

 

[Ravi]

Show me where you have the constitutional right to NOT bear arms...

Are you retarded?

 

[Diuretic]

You mean the crap about how Europeans have higher crime rates....along with their anti-gun laws?

Crimewise Europe has a worse problem than the US....even with less guns...

No, I meant what I wrote.

No answer??

 

[AtlasShrieked]

I was thinking about the recent hit on Obama that he is an elitist, isn’t it every Americans aspiration to be an elitist. You know one of those people with money who go to Yale and Harvard and party-hardy. Oh, sorry, wrong elitist. Then I thought suppose he is an elitist, do elitist automatically make bad decisions, you know like going to war and not having a clue. Oh, sorry, wrong elitist again. But then finally I got straight and thought what exactly is an elitist. So in search of the truth, I set out to the corner bar here in Hickville PA, you know one of those places with mostly Harleys outside, hay on the floor, three American beers on tap, and a sassy waitress with the sharpest tongue you’ll ever hear. And I sat down next to this tough looking character, blue sweat soaked bandanna dungarees heavy black boots and I asked him if he knew what an elitist was? He stared at me with cold blood shot eyes and I thought damn…but then he calmed a little and said the f_king no good sonsofbitches who closed down our factory and moved it to bumfuckegypt. I thanked him and at home checked Obama’s bio. No, for sure he ain’t no elitist.

teh sad part is seeing Obama run from himself.

he is an academic and intellectual elitist. he is also a class elitist

ex: arugula comment in Idaho. his initial $$$ backers were california venture capitalists. his campaign has been run and backed by some of the most powerful elites in the nation.

Obama is a progressive fraud and he would've had my vote if he had been genuine, but only after beating Hillary while being genuine,

The press has fallen for Obama, but a long courtship is coming to an end. Obama's handlers are already being challenged in the media in places and by people that gave them a pass during the primary.

Obama's team keeps jumping on McCain as a flip flopper as a way of playing defense...Obama is now flipping and flopping all over the place. He screwed the far left and now will screw the middle. It's a brilliant game plan.

I love his campaign, but dislike his message and his following.

Obama is a progressive fraud, but that doesn't mean he can't earn my vote...or have McCain chase me into his camp.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Are you retarded?

You mean as opposed to you?

No, I meant what I wrote.

No answer??

I already gave you an answer....complete with proof that the number of guns doesn't matter....it's who has them...

 

[busara]

Some believe this may be attributed to the fact that there is a greater likelihood of homeowners being armed in America, therefore America's burglars prefer committing their crimes when occupants are out.

some believe, not all. but anyway, how do i feel about gun ownership? i find it abhorrent. i dont understand why many people love guns as much as they do. as to preventing violence, it does seem that gun ownership lowers the rates. but people shouldnt be as worried about whether or not theyre allowed to carry as they should be about how common and almost accepted violence is in our society. a gun is an instrument, the problem is with the users.

as long as the 2nd admendment is in place, i will support people owning guns, even though i dont agree with it

 

[ScreamingEagle]

some believe, not all. but anyway, how do i feel about gun ownership? i find it abhorrent. i dont understand why many people love guns as much as they do. as to preventing violence, it does seem that gun ownership lowers the rates. but people shouldnt be as worried about whether or not theyre allowed to carry as they should be about how common and almost accepted violence is in our society. a gun is an instrument, the problem is with the users.

as long as the 2nd admendment is in place, i will support people owning guns, even though i dont agree with it

Americans have always had guns - both on their persons and in their homes - it's been normal since the founding of this country. Americans never found their guns to be "abhorrent"….guns were the means to survival in a violent and dangerous world...you took care of your gun and it would take care of you...

What has suddenly changed to make guns "abhorrent"? The world is still violent and dangerous…

 

[busara]

Americans have always had guns - both on their persons and in their homes - it's been normal since the founding of this country. Americans never found their guns to be "abhorrent"….guns were the means to survival in a violent and dangerous world...you took care of your gun and it would take care of you...

What has suddenly changed to make guns "abhorrent"? The world is still violent and dangerous…

i never said americans found their guns abhorrent. i said I find them as such.

america was dangerous in colonial times. wild animals, indian attacks, etc. not the case now. many people own them just cause it makes them feel powerful, important. how dangerous would a city be if people didnt walk about with guns and knives? the problem is with people. carrying a gun to protect against violence is fighting fire with fire, but unfortunately that seems to be what it takes to deter criminals. if we could change people so they dont feel the need to carrying out violent crimes, people no longer need to carry guns for protection. as i said before, the problem is the users.