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It's more than just a sense of purpose. There's matter of compensation. Do we pay people to wander through space in virtual reality. That would essentially be welfare creating a far larger welfare state than now exists. Maybe that's inevitable. However, I think a better idea might be the creation of public works projects and job sharing.But wouldn't it be just be pastime?Yes, I suppose you could pay people based on their performance on Sims or Pokemon, but I don't see that is any better than sending them a check every month. People will always find some leisure activity to occupy their time but I really don't think Pokemon or any other computer game is going to give people a sense worth that a job provides.I read a couple reviews and hope to read the book. The end of work has been the goal of humans for centuries but now it appears it maybe within our grasp, the Utopian world of leisure doesn't look so good.
The work ethic is strongly rooted in all societies. The more people in the workforce that become redundant the more social problems were're going to have. I think we're going to have some major changes.
Perhaps the work ethic is something that can be transfered into a computer program and accessed by humans as needed. Work in a virtual reality environment my be just as fulfilling as that in the material world! SOme video game simulations are already approaching that possibility!
The kind of virtual reality I had in mind is far more complex than Pokeman or any other mere video game. I envision a virtual world similar to that depicted in a movie called "The Matrix" or the training simulator aboard the Captain Kirk's Enterprise.. Sure, right now we can shrug it off as science fiction and likely improbable for the near future but I can see it coming. By the time machines are doing everything for us, the effects of Moore's Law will have unleashed technological wonders we can now only dream of!
I see where you're going with this. I agree, a sense of purpose has to be included in a program that would synthesize work ethic.
If everyone could choose a program centered around what they really like to do, I suspect that physical labor would probably be the least desired. Cerebral pursuits would likely be the most popular regardless of cognitive ability. Just think of being able to Captain your own starship and visit myriad worlds just like Kirk. You and a group of friends could go anywhere and do anything you desire and never leave the virtual world right at home. You would, of course, have to return to your own bodies once in a while to bathe and to eat or take care of some other physical needs.
Consider also that in the virtual world you won't age.
Elimination of most jobs could be a Utopia or Hell depending on how society adapts to it.
Those are technological advancements that made people more productive which created jobs. We're talking about automation that uses AI, that's capable of complex problem solving. It's purpose is to eliminate human labor, not to make it more productive.Elimination of most jobs could be a Utopia or Hell depending on how society adapts to it.
why be stupid on purpose?? the wheel hammer plow screw electric motor car truck plane PC cell phone displaced billions of workers and did not create any unemployment.
You really do lack the IQ to understand as a typical liberal don't you?
It's more than just a sense of purpose. There's matter of compensation. Do we pay people to wander through space in virtual reality. That would essentially be welfare creating a far larger welfare state than now exists. Maybe that's inevitable. However, I think a better idea might be the creation of public works projects and job sharing.But wouldn't it be just be pastime?Yes, I suppose you could pay people based on their performance on Sims or Pokemon, but I don't see that is any better than sending them a check every month. People will always find some leisure activity to occupy their time but I really don't think Pokemon or any other computer game is going to give people a sense worth that a job provides.Perhaps the work ethic is something that can be transfered into a computer program and accessed by humans as needed. Work in a virtual reality environment my be just as fulfilling as that in the material world! SOme video game simulations are already approaching that possibility!
The kind of virtual reality I had in mind is far more complex than Pokeman or any other mere video game. I envision a virtual world similar to that depicted in a movie called "The Matrix" or the training simulator aboard the Captain Kirk's Enterprise.. Sure, right now we can shrug it off as science fiction and likely improbable for the near future but I can see it coming. By the time machines are doing everything for us, the effects of Moore's Law will have unleashed technological wonders we can now only dream of!
I see where you're going with this. I agree, a sense of purpose has to be included in a program that would synthesize work ethic.
If everyone could choose a program centered around what they really like to do, I suspect that physical labor would probably be the least desired. Cerebral pursuits would likely be the most popular regardless of cognitive ability. Just think of being able to Captain your own starship and visit myriad worlds just like Kirk. You and a group of friends could go anywhere and do anything you desire and never leave the virtual world right at home. You would, of course, have to return to your own bodies once in a while to bathe and to eat or take care of some other physical needs.
Consider also that in the virtual world you won't age.
Elimination of most jobs could be a Utopia or Hell depending on how society adapts to it.
; or the US government?OK. I've said my 2 cents worth and made a fool of myself; but, at least I was brave enough to do it! .
I would love to see robots replace all the politicians and government bureaucrats.
OK. I've said my 2 cents worth and made a fool of myself; but, at least I was brave enough to do it! .
yes dear you have made a fool of yourself. inventions like the plow hammer screw nail electricity airplane train lightbulb motor wheel PC etc have displaced billions but it has no effect on unemployment.
Do you have the IQ to understand??
Who Will Lose Their Job to the Machines
William Lee invented a stocking frame knitting machine in 1589. After traveling to London to present his invention to Queen Elizabeth I, she responded, “Thou aimest high, Master Lee. Consider thou what the invention could do to my poor subjects. It would assuredly bring to them ruin by depriving them of employment, thus making them beggars.” The Queen denied him the patent. Why? Because job security is not a new concern.
The researchers estimated that about 47% of the U.S. workforce was at risk.
http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/The_Future_of_Employment.pdf
Over 700 jobs and their risks.
See? It's not immigrants who Red States should be concerned about.
Regardless of which political party is in power at the on set a massive economic downtown, the government would provide economic stimulus regardless of the drop in tax revenue. Deficits would rise not just in the US but worldwide. The US would have no problem borrowing money because capital would flow into the US just it always does during a time crisis.No Takers for post #45? OK... Physical labor is the only real work; and that, traditionally has been the first affected by technological innovation and implementation. Most of the masses tend to be physical laborers (blue collar) and they will bear the initial brunt of a decline in the labor market. But layers of managers won't be needed as the labor force diminishes; there won't be anyone to supervise. So who survives such a scenario?
The economy dies when people don't have money to spend. If that happens we will spiral into another world wide Great Depression. Liquid assets will probably become more precious than paper money. A modified version of Andrew Jackson's Specie Circular may be resurrected in demands for payment of even the most basic needs.
But what organization will step up to address this issue? WIll it be the UN; The Salvation Army
I guess that last entity's involvement will depend on whether Republicans or Democrats control the White House and House of Representatives where the purse strings are! But with no tax base, will a government be sustainable?
OK. I've said my 2 cents worth and made a fool of myself; but, at least I was brave enough to do it!
My "soliloquy" is over for now.
Regardless of which political party is in power at the on set a massive economic downtown, the government would provide economic stimulus regardless of the drop in tax revenue. Deficits would rise not just in the US but worldwide. The US would have no problem borrowing money because capital would flow into the US just it always does during a time crisis.No Takers for post #45? OK... Physical labor is the only real work; and that, traditionally has been the first affected by technological innovation and implementation. Most of the masses tend to be physical laborers (blue collar) and they will bear the initial brunt of a decline in the labor market. But layers of managers won't be needed as the labor force diminishes; there won't be anyone to supervise. So who survives such a scenario?
The economy dies when people don't have money to spend. If that happens we will spiral into another world wide Great Depression. Liquid assets will probably become more precious than paper money. A modified version of Andrew Jackson's Specie Circular may be resurrected in demands for payment of even the most basic needs.
But what organization will step up to address this issue? WIll it be the UN; The Salvation Army
I guess that last entity's involvement will depend on whether Republicans or Democrats control the White House and House of Representatives where the purse strings are! But with no tax base, will a government be sustainable?
OK. I've said my 2 cents worth and made a fool of myself; but, at least I was brave enough to do it!
My "soliloquy" is over for now.
The question of course remains as to how you would provide long term employment and or subsidies. If automation were eliminating huge numbers of jobs, businesses would be making huge profits which would provide capital for business expansion and increases in taxes to provide financial assistance to redundant workers.
I was just looking at our company monthly news letter, on the back page were aniversreys, 6 people have been here 20 years.... as an operatorWho Will Lose Their Job to the Machines
William Lee invented a stocking frame knitting machine in 1589. After traveling to London to present his invention to Queen Elizabeth I, she responded, “Thou aimest high, Master Lee. Consider thou what the invention could do to my poor subjects. It would assuredly bring to them ruin by depriving them of employment, thus making them beggars.” The Queen denied him the patent. Why? Because job security is not a new concern.
The researchers estimated that about 47% of the U.S. workforce was at risk.
http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/The_Future_of_Employment.pdf
Over 700 jobs and their risks.
See? It's not immigrants who Red States should be concerned about.
Honestly, if we allow it, MOST manual labor jobs will be done by robots, faster, better, and clearly cheaper. The day of the no skill worker is coming to a close. It IS going to be an issue. Especially when you factor in those who aren't smart enough to evolve in their jobs and those who are simply too lazy to learn.
Huh? It's Republicans who hate immigrants and education. The two things they fear the most are the two things that will help them the most. WTF is wrong with you?Who Will Lose Their Job to the Machines
William Lee invented a stocking frame knitting machine in 1589. After traveling to London to present his invention to Queen Elizabeth I, she responded, “Thou aimest high, Master Lee. Consider thou what the invention could do to my poor subjects. It would assuredly bring to them ruin by depriving them of employment, thus making them beggars.” The Queen denied him the patent. Why? Because job security is not a new concern.
The researchers estimated that about 47% of the U.S. workforce was at risk.
http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/The_Future_of_Employment.pdf
Over 700 jobs and their risks.
See? It's not immigrants who Red States should be concerned about.
dear the wheel plow hammer screw PC car and electric motor have displaced billions of workers and still we have only 5% unemployment.
Do you now see how stupid the liberal is?? What other conclusion is possible??
And you point is?I was just looking at our company monthly news letter, on the back page were aniversreys, 6 people have been here 20 years.... as an operatorWho Will Lose Their Job to the Machines
William Lee invented a stocking frame knitting machine in 1589. After traveling to London to present his invention to Queen Elizabeth I, she responded, “Thou aimest high, Master Lee. Consider thou what the invention could do to my poor subjects. It would assuredly bring to them ruin by depriving them of employment, thus making them beggars.” The Queen denied him the patent. Why? Because job security is not a new concern.
The researchers estimated that about 47% of the U.S. workforce was at risk.
http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/The_Future_of_Employment.pdf
Over 700 jobs and their risks.
See? It's not immigrants who Red States should be concerned about.
Honestly, if we allow it, MOST manual labor jobs will be done by robots, faster, better, and clearly cheaper. The day of the no skill worker is coming to a close. It IS going to be an issue. Especially when you factor in those who aren't smart enough to evolve in their jobs and those who are simply too lazy to learn.
Seriously?
The world pours funds into US treasuries in a time of crisis because there are few good alternatives.There are only 7 countries in the world with a sovereign debt rating higher than than the US. Of those 7, 4 have far too little debt to satisfy large investors. The other 3, Germany, UK, and Canada, sell most of their debt withing the country.Regardless of which political party is in power at the on set a massive economic downtown, the government would provide economic stimulus regardless of the drop in tax revenue. Deficits would rise not just in the US but worldwide. The US would have no problem borrowing money because capital would flow into the US just it always does during a time crisis.No Takers for post #45? OK... Physical labor is the only real work; and that, traditionally has been the first affected by technological innovation and implementation. Most of the masses tend to be physical laborers (blue collar) and they will bear the initial brunt of a decline in the labor market. But layers of managers won't be needed as the labor force diminishes; there won't be anyone to supervise. So who survives such a scenario?
The economy dies when people don't have money to spend. If that happens we will spiral into another world wide Great Depression. Liquid assets will probably become more precious than paper money. A modified version of Andrew Jackson's Specie Circular may be resurrected in demands for payment of even the most basic needs.
But what organization will step up to address this issue? WIll it be the UN; The Salvation Army
I guess that last entity's involvement will depend on whether Republicans or Democrats control the White House and House of Representatives where the purse strings are! But with no tax base, will a government be sustainable?
OK. I've said my 2 cents worth and made a fool of myself; but, at least I was brave enough to do it!
My "soliloquy" is over for now.
The question of course remains as to how you would provide long term employment and or subsidies. If automation were eliminating huge numbers of jobs, businesses would be making huge profits which would provide capital for business expansion and increases in taxes to provide financial assistance to redundant workers.
I'm a not sure that capital would flow from foreign sources to the USA in time of crisis as it did in the past. Wouldn't foreign investments and other holdings be nationalized in a world wide economic crisis; and, thereby strain international relations?
Besides, our credit rating has been lowered and there is talk of shifting the International monetary standard away from the dollar.
Who would or could loan us the necessary funds for day to day operations and a burgeoning welfare status?
Perhaps, though , the owners and managers of this super technology won't be Americans. There are other rising stars among the industrialized nations who are now just as capable of controlling the world through automation: Japan and possibly a united Germany. If that happens, will we go the way of the Romans... without a shot being fired because we can't pay the soldiers?
Look out...the future is now!
Robots threaten these 8 jobs - May. 13 2015
