Who Was the Greatest President?

[Sunni Man]

Andrew Jackson was our greatest president.

Anyone who reads a biography of him can only go; Now that's an American!!!

 

[GHook93]

What did Washington accomplish as President that exceeds the accomplishments of Lincoln, FDR or Teddy Roosevelt? or Ike for that matter

He refused the Crown when it was offered. With that one act, he changed the course of the world forever.

Happened before he was President, as did most of Washingtons accomplishments

Funny how everyone things that the birth of the America was just cookies and milk! It was VERY and HIGHLY unstable. It was a union of the verge of exploding! WASHINGTON held it together due to the mass amount of respect he carried amongst everyone! Any other main and we could have see an America of numerous independent states like Europe and not one great POWERFUL one we see today!

He established the Judiciary - meaning the Supreme Court.

He was the main reason that the 1st amendment including a freedom of religion! Many wanted America to be solely a Christian country, Washington said NO!

He helped stabilize a country economically that was in serious financial debt due to the war.

He managed to stay out of foreign entanglements that would have surely bankrupted America! There was strong support for America to aid the French in the French Revolution.

He also stayed out of war with Britian which was still looming even after the Revolutionary War!

So in the end this worthless President:
(1) Just held the country together at its birth was it was nearly impossible to keep it together.
(2) He stablized the country financially even though she was in debt up to her neck!
(3) He stayed out of foreign entanglement even through their was emence pressure to enter them.
(4) He stayed out of war with GB, which would have bankrupted America!
(5) He was a key figure in creating the constitution specifically the 1st amendment.
(6) He created the judiciary -aka the Supreme Court!

Who you crappin?

 

[GHook93]

Conflicted nothing...He was a racist, warmonger and an extreme egomaniac, plain and simple.

It's a common mistake among amatuer historians - trying to apply contemporary standards to historical figures.

The definitions of racist, warmonger and egomaniac have changed while I wasn't looking?

More likely that the chin-stroking so-called "historians" of academe like to change the meanings of words, to suit their politics.

Dude you acting very un Duuuuuuuuude!

 

[Elutherian]

He didn't free the slaves cause he loved them so much, he did it because he was a free-soiler (a racist ideology that advocated removing all blacks, free or slave, outside the United States), and he only wrote the Emancipation Proclomation to further his cause for war.

Do you think the first freed slaves gave a SHIT! NOPE! What he did took courage and bravery! So what you said is very illogical in its own right!

And your right, the war was unpopular, because he micromanaged the killing of southern civilians. He even signed an order making every woman in New Orleans a prostitute so the invading northern armies could legally rape them.

You have proof of that? Benefit of the doubt gone! I am really not believing any more that you are African American, a blind and ignorant leftist, but definitely a redneck whiteboy!



Blah blah blah you sound like Kevin Kennedy. There are many many issues surrounding the civil war (which I won't get into here), but the main one was slavery! Its a fact accept it!
Let me guess who you supported in the last election = RON PAUL!

BTW, the 14th ammendment was passed after he had died, over the Veto of his successer... Johnson. I actually blame Northern policy for the institutionalization of segregation in the south, which had originated in the Northern States.

HENCE the reason I said big reason FOR IT not creating it!

Are you serious! Jim Crow laws popped up in the South! Segregation was by far worse in the south. The KKK orginated in the South and the racial tension and violence was the worst in the South!

I highly recoment Thomas DiLorenzo's "The Real Lincoln" and "Lincoln Unmasked". Great informative books.

If that is where you got your warped views from, then NO THANK YOU I won't waste my time!

"Do you think the first freed slaves gave a SHIT! NOPE! What he did took courage and bravery! So what you said is very illogical in its own right!"

Dude, the EP didn't even free any slaves. It only applied to the Confederate States, which Lincoln had no authority over. The Slave states in the north though (Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, D.C.), no slave was freed in the Union. That's just a fact. The 13th ammendment freed my ancestors... that's just the truth.
Here's an article by another brother who's seen the light: Why emulate Abe Lincoln?

"You have proof of that? Benefit of the doubt gone! I am really not believing any more that you are African American, a blind and ignorant leftist, but definitely a redneck whiteboy!"

Wow, I think that's the first time somebody called me a white-boy.
I didn't just pull that shit out of my ass, read up on it: General Benjamin Butler & the threat of sexual violence during the American Civil War | Daedalus | Find Articles at BNET

"Blah blah blah you sound like Kevin Kennedy. There are many many issues surrounding the civil war (which I won't get into here), but the main one was slavery! Its a fact accept it!
Let me guess who you supported in the last election = RON PAUL!"

Kevin's a smart mother fucker. You're just wrong, slavery wasn't the reason the south seceded, or the reason Lincoln invaded. You've got to read the whole history of the south vs. the north over protectionist tarriffs... that's what it was all about.
And hell yes I voted for Ron Paul, damn good man.

"Are you serious! Jim Crow laws popped up in the South! Segregation was by far worse in the south. The KKK orginated in the South and the racial tension and violence was the worst in the South!"

The North was more racist than the south before the Civil War. Slavery had only been ended in most norther states for just under a decade. Whites were angry the free blacks were taking there jobs... along with Irish immigrants (see the movie 'Gangs of New York' for a perspective). Entire towns of free blacks were destroyed in the north... that's how the free soilers got started.

"If that is where you got your warped views from, then NO THANK YOU I won't waste my time!"

Fine by me... but it might also be good to know that Lincoln, after his innaguration (when he was still a Senator from Illinois), co-sponsored this Constitutional Ammendment which never got passed:

No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State. (See U.S. House of Representatives, 106th Congress, 2nd Session, The Constitution of the United States of America: Unratified Amendments, Doc. No. 106-214).

But I guess you wouldn't care about actual history...

 

[Sinatra]

Lincoln
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt

Ok, I'm a noob, are you really a rightwinger or is that a farcical username?

I'd say Washington without a doubt was our best president so far. For the last century I'd say Eisenhower.

What did Washington accomplish as President that exceeds the accomplishments of Lincoln, FDR or Teddy Roosevelt? or Ike for that matter

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Beyond the fact he set the Executive Office template that is followed to this day...


His declaration of neutrality might very well have preserved the young union in its beginnings. France and England were engaging in a world war, with both sides demanding the United States choose sides. Jefferson demanded we fight on the side of the French, while Hamilton demanded we fight on the side of the England. Washington heard both arguements and then, with the clarity of reasoning he was by then both heralded and despised for, made his own decision.

Washington also helped greatly strengthen the unity between the states, while maintaining the needed balance between state and federal government. His decisive, (and controversial) action to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794 quelled what could have been a dissolution of the young government.

Two major treaties also aided greatly the young nation's ability to self-direct - Jay's Treaty and Pinkney's Treaty helped remove the British from the Northwest Territory and formalized relations with Spain, allowing free access to the lands along the Mississipi River. Both of these actions greatly improved commerce for the new nation, and helped establish an economy that would begin to boom into the 1800s.

America was constantly on the precipice during Washington's two terms, and it was his steady hand, his aura of cold serenity in the face of near constant challenge, that allowed the nation to emerge from its infancy and make its way into the new century.


It is one of many injustices of our modern education system that so little is taught regarding the Founders, and that even such luminary figures such as Washington are given passing attention, leading to adults posting in a political message forum making dismissive comments of one of the great foundational giants of the United States.

George Washington remains this nation's greatest president...

 

[code1211]

He refused the Crown when it was offered. With that one act, he changed the course of the world forever.

Happened before he was President, as did most of Washingtons accomplishments

Funny how everyone things that the birth of the America was just cookies and milk! It was VERY and HIGHLY unstable. It was a union of the verge of exploding! WASHINGTON held it together due to the mass amount of respect he carried amongst everyone! Any other main and we could have see an America of numerous independent states like Europe and not one great POWERFUL one we see today!

He established the Judiciary - meaning the Supreme Court.

He was the main reason that the 1st amendment including a freedom of religion! Many wanted America to be solely a Christian country, Washington said NO!

He helped stabilize a country economically that was in serious financial debt due to the war.

He managed to stay out of foreign entanglements that would have surely bankrupted America! There was strong support for America to aid the French in the French Revolution.

He also stayed out of war with Britian which was still looming even after the Revolutionary War!

So in the end this worthless President:
(1) Just held the country together at its birth was it was nearly impossible to keep it together.
(2) He stablized the country financially even though she was in debt up to her neck!
(3) He stayed out of foreign entanglement even through their was emence pressure to enter them.
(4) He stayed out of war with GB, which would have bankrupted America!
(5) He was a key figure in creating the constitution specifically the 1st amendment.
(6) He created the judiciary -aka the Supreme Court!

Who you crappin?

In addition to those not unsubstantial items, through Hamilton, on of his many protege's, he created the modern banking system. There are visionaries and then there are people who simply seem to stand beside time. Washington was such a man. Franklin was, too, but Washington also yearned to be the leader of the infant nation.

He was respected by those with whom he served, with whom he worked and with whom he lived.

"First in war, first in peace and first in the hearts of his countrymen."

Doncha just love it when those who are trying to elevate the minority de jour use as their vehicle the slander and libel of the Founders? As it happens, these guys were rich white guys. They were also brilliant and in the company of other geniuses.

Is it racist to reject greatness because these guys were white?

 

[ddye]

Lincoln. He held the nation together, and defined it's nature after the Civil War.

If my wife left me, and I hunted her down, beat her sensless, then chained her to the basement, all in the name of saving my union, and that is considered a good thing... then Lincoln was a great president.

I'm going with Lincoln, Washington, FDR and Teddy Roosevelt.

Can you tell that I'm not a libertarian?

Doug

 

[Andrew2382]

FDR was the greatest as he faced challenges both at home and abroad. He managed to move the nation away from the fascism that was gaining ground at that time, he worked to alleviate the great depression, he enacted laws that supported American workers, and created legislation that moved America forward. He simply was a fantastic leader during some incredibly tough times as his long presidency proves.

The great depression ended a year or two after FDR was elected according to any chronological history you survey. The effects lasted for many years after that and the war finally brought people and business together in a Keynesian frenzy of work and spending. While OT that togetherness stayed put till Reagan (worst president) began the decline of America with his destruction of the middle class worker, his tax reductions for wealthy, and his war deficits.

lol yes FDR was fantastic...His new deal policies were a fucking failure and extended the depression in this country 7-10 years. The great depression was a global depression yet the rest of the world got out of it much earlier then we did? Why? They didn't have a moronic FDR leading them.

His lowest unemployment rate was 12 or 13% and the only reason we got out of the depression was because of World War 2...nothing else.

The only thing that got us out of the Great Depression was a World War..not a single policy from FDR


and oo yea...his admin and intel also let Pearl Harbor to occur...

 

[Andrew2382]

as for best Presidents...I'm gonna go with Washington and Jefferson

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sigh. Query Alexander Stephens and the Cornerstone Speech in 1861. And get back to us what the contemporaries in the Civil War that the prime cause of the war to be.

 

[Elutherian]

Sigh. Query Alexander Stephens and the Cornerstone Speech in 1861. And get back to us what the contemporaries in the Civil War that the prime cause of the war to be.

Jefferson Davis' speech on the formation of the Confederacy (his innaguration) didn't mention the word Slavery one single time.

Maybe he didn't get the memo...

 

[Oddball]

The only thing that got us out of the Great Depression was a World War..not a single policy from FDR.

Not 100% accurate.

Provoking a war was one of his policies.

 

[ddye]

FDR was the greatest as he faced challenges both at home and abroad. He managed to move the nation away from the fascism that was gaining ground at that time, he worked to alleviate the great depression, he enacted laws that supported American workers, and created legislation that moved America forward. He simply was a fantastic leader during some incredibly tough times as his long presidency proves.

The great depression ended a year or two after FDR was elected according to any chronological history you survey. The effects lasted for many years after that and the war finally brought people and business together in a Keynesian frenzy of work and spending. While OT that togetherness stayed put till Reagan (worst president) began the decline of America with his destruction of the middle class worker, his tax reductions for wealthy, and his war deficits.

lol yes FDR was fantastic...His new deal policies were a fucking failure and extended the depression in this country 7-10 years. The great depression was a global depression yet the rest of the world got out of it much earlier then we did? Why? They didn't have a moronic FDR leading them.

His lowest unemployment rate was 12 or 13% and the only reason we got out of the depression was because of World War 2...nothing else.

The only thing that got us out of the Great Depression was a World War..not a single policy from FDR


and oo yea...his admin and intel also let Pearl Harbor to occur...

Wow, partisans are just so... partisan.

The only year under the New Deal WITHOUT an improved GNP was 1937, the year that Congress tried to balance the budget.

Doug

 

[Andrew2382]

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate / UCLA Newsroom

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sigh. Query Alexander Stephens and the Cornerstone Speech in 1861. And get back to us what the contemporaries in the Civil War that the prime cause of the war to be.

Jefferson Davis' speech on the formation of the Confederacy (his innaguration) didn't mention the word Slavery one single time.

Maybe he didn't get the memo...

You are duckin' but just got body slammed! You are reeling, you are trying to clinch, then you get caught with "bam into the midsection" with a titanic blow of Alexander Stephens' "cornerstone speech" at Cornerstone Speech by Alexander H. Stephens. Search for "This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."

 

[midcan5]

Don't defend your choices and appeal to outside opinion that agrees with yours.

Typical and pathetic.

WTF, are you more of an idiot than you demonstrate! Do you live in a vacuum and your stupidity just comes naturally, or are you gawd and you have lived forever and know everything because.... damn you are one poor poster and debater. Next time ask yourself why the majority of historians, etc, rate FDR near the top. Or maybe don't as you sure are one dumb dude.

edit - add URLs for those not braindead like Dude and others.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Summary.htm
http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/connections_n2/great_depression.html
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch15wd.html
http://gusmorino.com/pag3/greatdepression/
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6787

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Great-Depression-New-Deal-Introductions/dp/0195326342/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1230302046&sr=1-8[/ame]

 

[GHook93]

(1) Great economy - The country enjoyed a period of economic prosperity and Eisenhower appeared to epitomize the era. He mainly got this done by staying out of the private sector, not raising taxes (lowering them in many cases), balancing the budget, cuting spending, keeping inflation in check, hence fiscal conservatism!
(2) Added AK and HI to the union
(3) His administration is remembered as peaceful and prosperous, despite the rise of the Cold War with the Soviet Union and China.
(4) He saw his presidency as a response to the radicalism of the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt.
(5) Ended the Korean War in a Stalemate, allowing South Korea to become a free, independant capitalist and eventually very prosperous nation!
(6) Eisenhower kept the national debt low and inflation near zero
Frum, David (2000). How We Got Here: The '70s. New York, New York: Basic Books. p. 296. ISBN 0465041957.
(7) Actually fought illegal immigration! Operation Wetback was said to be responsible to the removal of 1 mil illegals out of an estimated 3 mil!
Operation Wetback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(8) He send the military to escort the little rock nine (9 black kids) to desegregate a school. Ike didn't do enough here, but his action on desegregation got the ball in motion against enormous discent!
Little Rock Nine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(9) Ike created the interstate Highway systems!
Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[nodoginnafight]

1) Washington - for restraint
2) Lincoln - for fortitude in withstanding conflict (internal and external)
3) Jefferson - His fingerprints remain

MHO

 

[indianaboy]

Don't defend your choices and appeal to outside opinion that agrees with yours.

Typical and pathetic.

WTF, are you more of an idiot than you demonstrate! Do you live in a vacuum and your stupidity just comes naturally, or are you gawd and you have lived forever and know everything because.... damn you are one poor poster and debater. Next time ask yourself why the majority of historians, etc, rate FDR near the top. Or maybe don't as you sure are one dumb dude.

edit - add URLs for those not braindead like Dude and others.

Summary
Timeline of the Great Depression
The Great Depression, to 1935
The Main Causes of the Great Depression
Stiff upper lip.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Great-Depression-New-Deal-Introductions/dp/0195326342/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1230302046&sr=1-8]Amazon.com: The Great Depression and the New Deal: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions) (9780195326345): Eric Rauchway: Books[/ame]

Another post consisting solely of appeals to other sources, and totally void of actual thought.

 

[Oddball]

Don't defend your choices and appeal to outside opinion that agrees with yours.

Typical and pathetic.

WTF, are you more of an idiot than you demonstrate! Do you live in a vacuum and your stupidity just comes naturally, or are you gawd and you have lived forever and know everything because.... damn you are one poor poster and debater. Next time ask yourself why the majority of historians, etc, rate FDR near the top. Or maybe don't as you sure are one dumb dude.

edit - add URLs for those not braindead like Dude and others.

Summary
Timeline of the Great Depression
The Great Depression, to 1935
The Main Causes of the Great Depression
Stiff upper lip.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Great-Depression-New-Deal-Introductions/dp/0195326342/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1230302046&sr=1-8]Amazon.com: The Great Depression and the New Deal: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions) (9780195326345): Eric Rauchway: Books[/ame]

Right....As you appeal to the opinions of others, rather than come up with anything out of your own thick head, like I pointed out in the first place.

Are you this drearily pedantic in real life, too?