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[Bush92]

Abortion is an infanticide Holocaust. Thanks Democrat Lyndon Johnson for Fucking up a winnable military campaign in SE Asia.

How was it "Winnable". We couldn't invade North Vietnam without bringing the PRC and USSR into the war. The people of Vietnam were never going to love the Quislings we were promoting. IN fact, the minute we left, they fell.

Fell after Congress cut off funding. Should have invaded Cambodia and North Vietnam in 1965. Bombed the dykes on all the major river systems in the North to flood rice fields, mined Haiphong Harbor, and a destroyed Hanoi with a major air campaign. All should have been done in 1965 and 1966. Bridges to China should have been blasted as well.

 

[JoeB131]

Fell after Congress cut off funding. Should have invaded Cambodia and North Vietnam in 1965. Bombed the dykes on all the major river systems in the North to flood rice fields, mined Haiphong Harbor, and a destroyed Hanoi with a major air campaign. All should have been done in 1965 and 1966. Bridges to China should have been blasted as well.

Congress never cut off funding.

Here, let me educate you, buddy.

The Myth That Congress Cut Off Funding for South Vietnam | History News Network

Mel Laird, Richard Nixon’s defense secretary, started the modern myth that “Congress snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by cutting off funding for our ally in 1975” in a 2005 article in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the prestigious Council on Foreign Relations....

A quick, easy check of an old newspaper database shows Laird's cutoff claim to be false. In the fiscal year running from July 1, 1974, to June 30, 1975, the congressional appropriation for military aid to South Vietnam was $700 million.

Nixon had requested $1.45 billion. Congress cut his aid request, but never cut off aid.

Nixon's successor, President Gerald R. Ford, requested an additional $300 million for Saigon. Democrats saw it as an exercise in political blame-shifting. "The administration knows that the $300 million won't really do anything to prevent ultimate collapse in Vietnam," said Senator and future Vice President Walter F. Mondale, D-Mn., "and it is just trying to shift responsibility of its policy to Congress and the Democrats." Congress didn't approve the supplemental appropriation.

Political Spin Nixon crafted this secret strategy to foster the illusion that his public strategy of "Vietnamization and negotiation" worked. Vietnamization was supposed to train the South Vietnamese army to defend itself so the American army could come home; negotiations were supposed to produce a settlement guaranteeing the South's right to choose its own government by election. Nixon privately realized that Vietnamization and negotiation would not work as he said they would.

"South Vietnam probably can never even survive anyway," he said in private, but never in public. To conceal Vietnamization's failure, Nixon timed the withdrawal of U.S. forces to the 1972 election. This way, California Governor Ronald Reagan could welcome delegates to the Republican National Convention in 1972 with the perfect words to launch the President's reelection campaign: "The last American combat team is on its way home from Vietnam."

To get the North Vietnamese to accept a settlement that, on paper, guaranteed the South's right to free elections, Nixon assured them, through the Soviet Union and China, that if they waited a "decent interval" of a year or two before taking over South Vietnam, he would not intervene. The Communists accepted Nixon's settlement terms because they knew that they didn't have to abide by them and the would get a clear shot at overthrowing the South Vietnamese government if they waited approximately 18 months after Nixon withdrew the last U.S. ground forces. Nixon wanted this "decent interval" to make it look like Saigon's fall wasn't his fault.

Short version, because I know you need someone to help you with the big words.

Nixon sold out Saigon in the Paris Conference. Funds were never cut off. Everyone knew the minute we pulled out, the regime in Saigon would fall.

 

[rightwinger]

Abortion is an infanticide Holocaust. Thanks Democrat Lyndon Johnson for Fucking up a winnable military campaign in SE Asia.

How was it "Winnable". We couldn't invade North Vietnam without bringing the PRC and USSR into the war. The people of Vietnam were never going to love the Quislings we were promoting. IN fact, the minute we left, they fell.

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War
Wasn’t our fight

 

[rightwinger]

Abortion is an infanticide Holocaust. Thanks Democrat Lyndon Johnson for Fucking up a winnable military campaign in SE Asia.

How was it "Winnable". We couldn't invade North Vietnam without bringing the PRC and USSR into the war. The people of Vietnam were never going to love the Quislings we were promoting. IN fact, the minute we left, they fell.

Fell after Congress cut off funding. Should have invaded Cambodia and North Vietnam in 1965. Bombed the dykes on all the major river systems in the North to flood rice fields, mined Haiphong Harbor, and a destroyed Hanoi with a major air campaign. All should have been done in 1965 and 1966. Bridges to China should have been blasted as well.

Just give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will be home by Christmas