Who wants a Palestinian state?

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    Report: Abbas rejected Olmert peace plan over refugees, safe passage







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    RAMALLAH, May 18 (JMCC) - Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas rejected a peace proposal of the Olmert administration over the issue of the number of refugees to be allowed to return and Palestinian control over a safe passage between Gaza and the West Bank, former Olmert aide Haim Ramon told a conference Monday.
















    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, April 22, 2009. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)



















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    ...Haim Ramon, who served as deputy premier under Ehud Olmert and was one of his trusted confidants, said on Monday at the Institute for National Security Studies conference that the Palestinians turned down Olmert’s offer in 2008 because of disagreements regarding the number of refugees to be allowed into Israel, and because of a Palestinian demand to control the “safe passage” that would have linked the Gaza Strip to the West Bank.

    At the end of 2008, Olmert offered Abbas 93.5-to-93.7 percent of the West Bank, a one-to-one swap for most of the rest, and an arrangement whereby no one would have sovereignty over the “holy basin” surrounding Jerusalem’s Old City, but rather it would be administered by a consortium made up of the Israelis, Palestinians, Jordanians, Saudis and Americans.

    Ramon revealed that in August 2008, he went to Amman to discuss the refuge issue with Abbas. “We wanted to permit a certain number of refugees into the country over a number of years, and they wanted a different number,” Ramon said.

    Minister-without-Portfolio Bennie Begin had a far different take on why the Palestinians rejected Olmert’s offer, as well as that of then-prime minister Ehud Barak in 2000.

    The Palestinian rejection of both offers, he said, had to do with “the refusal of the Palestinians to understand that Judaism, beyond just being a religion, is also a nationality. Their refusal to recognize this [Israel] as a Jewish state, like their refusal to recognize that the Temple stood on Mount Moriah, expresses their refusal to accept that we have a title to this land.”


    They have no interest in a " Two State Solution" Their goal is to eventually annex " Israel proper" to " Palestine" which will happen with " Right of Return". Which is why a " Palestinian State" with Borders that they never accepted or " Right of Return" will not happen
     
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    It's not a Palestinian problem, Judaism IS a religion and point blank is NOT a nationality. If it s a nationality then all Jews should fuck off to Israel. Saying it is a nationality is just another way of trying to justify a racist idea that Jews all own Israel and have more right to be there than the Arabs, which is total bollocks.
     
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    Then that's a palistanian problem, of course.
     
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    Israel having a Jewish majority with Arabs is " racist" but Abbas declaring " Palestine" be a NJA Country isn't RACIST? Typical racist Pro- Palestinian mentality. BTW.... FUCK OFF. :razz:
     
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    The "Palestinians" have been fighting for years to avoid becoming a state. To become a state would require accountability and responsibility.
     
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    Granny says if dey wanna be free an' independent - den let `em be free an' independent o' Uncle Sam's teat...
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    Palestinian bid could put U.S. funding at risk
    November 29th, 2012 - If, as expected, the United Nations General Assembly votes Thursday to upgrade the Palestinians to non-member observer status, it could put about $500 million in U.S. aid at stake - not to mention the $100 million in monthly tax revenues Israel is threatening to withhold.
     
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    nope----no reason for arab muslims to live in the jewish state--there are lots of arab muslim states-----there are even states so racist that they do not allow non muslims to be citizens
     
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    Israel already sits inside Palestine's international borders. How can Israel be annexed?
     

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