Who Really Favors 'Income Inequality'???

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Is it the Right.....or the Left?
Whose policies encourage said inequality?



Hypothetically......shouldn't the informed voter be conversant with the economics and history, as well as the political doctrines that flow from these disciplines.?

Or....to put it more succinctly.....need one be a total idiot to vote Leftist????


1. Recently, The Guardian published an article in which blithering idiot George Monbiot, blames all of contemporary woes on what he calls "neoliberalism." Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

a. Let's go over the definitions....
Neoliberalism is what we call classical liberalism, the view of our Founders, or, what would be conservatism today.

Liberalism, or Modern Liberalism, i.e., Bill's wife, is actually the term communist John Dewey purloined and adhered to the Socialist Party. It was never the view of the Founders.




2. "...Monbiot claims that the political philosophy of economists F.A. Hayek and Milton Friedman — what he pejoratively calls “neoliberalism” — is “at the root of all our problems.” Monbiot notes correctly that [classical] liberal economists are generally in favor of free markets and minimal government intervention in the economy.

However, he also makes some rather weird claims that make you wonder if he has actually read people whose ideas he’s criticizing. For example, he claims that “neoliberals” like Hayek and Friedman believe that “inequality is … virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive.”

3. [Actually] Friedman wrote that “special monopoly privileges granted by government, tariffs, and other legal enactments benefiting particular groups, are a source of inequality. ...
“The extension and widening of educational opportunities has been a major factor tending to reduce inequalities. Measures such as these have the operational virtue that they strike at the sources of inequality rather than simply alleviating the symptoms.”




4. F.A. Hayek similarly wrote in The Road to Serfdom (1944) that there is a “strong case for reducing inequality of opportunity as far as congenital differences permit and as it is possible to do so without destroying the impersonal character of the process by which everybody has to take his chance and no person's view about what is right and desirable overrules that of others.” Neoliberalism: the Left’s Eternal Boogeyman | Corey Iacono




To summarize the above, classical liberals, the Founders, today's conservatives.....favor a society based on individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.

If any are deluded into believing the Left's answer to society: collectivization, unquestioning lock-step adherence to government policies, over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.....


....just look at the economy Obama has produced.
 
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Is it the Right.....or the Left?
Whose policies encourage said inequality?



Hypothetically......shouldn't the informed voter be conversant with the economics and history, as well as the political doctrines that flow from these disciplines.?

Or....to put it more succinctly.....need one be a total idiot to vote Leftist????


1. Recently, The Guardian published an article in which blithering idiot George Monbiot, blames all of contemporary woes on what he calls "neoliberalism." Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

a. Let's go over the definitions....
Neoliberalism is what we call classical liberalism, the view of our Founders, or, what would be conservatism today.

Liberalism, or Modern Liberalism, i.e., Bill's wife, is actually the term communist John Dewey purloined and adhered to the Socialist Party. It was never the view of the Founders.


2. "...Monbiot claims that the political philosophy of economists F.A. Hayek and Milton Friedman — what he pejoratively calls “neoliberalism” — is “at the root of all our problems.” Monbiot notes correctly that [classical] liberal economists are generally in favor of free markets and minimal government intervention in the economy.

However, he also makes some rather weird claims that make you wonder if he has actually read people whose ideas he’s criticizing. For example, he claims that “neoliberals” like Hayek and Friedman believe that “inequality is … virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive.”

3. [Actually] Friedman wrote that “special monopoly privileges granted by government, tariffs, and other legal enactments benefiting particular groups, are a source of inequality. ...
“The extension and widening of educational opportunities has been a major factor tending to reduce inequalities. Measures such as these have the operational virtue that they strike at the sources of inequality rather than simply alleviating the symptoms.”




4. F.A. Hayek similarly wrote in The Road to Serfdom (1944) that there is a “strong case for reducing inequality of opportunity as far as congenital differences permit and as it is possible to do so without destroying the impersonal character of the process by which everybody has to take his chance and no person's view about what is right and desirable overrules that of others.” Neoliberalism: the Left’s Eternal Boogeyman | Corey Iacono




To summarize the above, classical liberals, the Founders, today's conservatives.....favor a society based on individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.

If any are deluded into believing the Left's answer to society: collectivization, unquestioning lock-step adherence to government policies, over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.....


....just look at the economy Obama has produced.

You favor increased income inequality because you want to end Medicaid,

which would make the poor poorer.
 
Neoliberalism involves the dogma of privatizing everything, including education. That isn't what our founders believed in at all.

"there should not be a district of one Mile square without a school in it, not founded by a Charitable individual but maintained at the expence of the People themselv they must be taught to reverence themselvs instead of adoreing their servants their Generals Admirals Bishops and Statesmen"
-- John Adams; from letter to John Jebb (Sept. 10, 1785)

"The first stage of this education being the schools of the hundreds, wherein the great mass of the people will receive their instruction, the principal foundations of future order will be laid here. Instead, therefore, of putting the Bible and Testament into the hands of the children at an age when their judgments are not sufficiently matured for religious inquiries, their memories may here be stored with the most useful facts"
-- Thomas Jefferson; from 'Notes on Virginia' Query XIV

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."

-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)
 
If women can take no pay penalty for taking time off to procreate(for their own gratification),then men should take no py penalty for cruising singlesclubs and church meet up groups.
 
So......what's the plan?


5. “Neo” — really, classical — liberals do not celebrate inequality as “virtuous” and inherently good.

They prefer to reduce some sources of inequality by expanding economic opportunity and removing legal privileges and monopolies that benefit the few at the expense of the many.

a. ... the principle means by which the left wishes to reduce inequality is through progressive taxation and wealth redistribution, which classical liberals generally oppose, on the grounds that, as Friedman put it, “using coercion to take from some in order to give to others … conflicts head-on with individual freedom.”




6. ....Monbiot has mistaken classical liberal hesitation to support coercive redistribution with opposition to a more equal society per se. He claims “neoliberals” believe “the market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve,” and “If you don’t have a job it’s because you are unenterprising… If your credit card is maxed out, you’re feckless and improvident… If your children no longer have a school playing field: if they get fat, it’s your fault.”

[That] certainly wasn’t from anything Hayek or Friedman actually wrote.




7. If Friedman and Hayek believed that the market always ensured that people got what they “deserved,” why did they also support measures “supplementary to the market system” to provide universal guarantees of economic security? In The Road to Serfdom, Hayek bluntly stated,

'In a society that has reached the general level of wealth which ours has attained … some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health and the capacity to work, can be assured to everybody. Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist the individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision.'"
Fee. Op. Cit.


So.....the Leftist, Monbiot, was either incorrect or outright lying about the conservative plan to provide a safety net......

What else is he lying about?
The Left's policies that result in income inequality.
 
Neoliberalism involves the dogma of privatizing everything, including education. That isn't what our founders believed in at all.

"there should not be a district of one Mile square without a school in it, not founded by a Charitable individual but maintained at the expence of the People themselv they must be taught to reverence themselvs instead of adoreing their servants their Generals Admirals Bishops and Statesmen"
-- John Adams; from letter to John Jebb (Sept. 10, 1785)

"The first stage of this education being the schools of the hundreds, wherein the great mass of the people will receive their instruction, the principal foundations of future order will be laid here. Instead, therefore, of putting the Bible and Testament into the hands of the children at an age when their judgments are not sufficiently matured for religious inquiries, their memories may here be stored with the most useful facts"
-- Thomas Jefferson; from 'Notes on Virginia' Query XIV

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."

-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)


Based on your post....you must actually be imagining that the wholly owned subsidiary of Liberalism, Inc., the government school system....

....is doing the job it did when it was less biased, less under the thumb of Leftists like John Dewey and Paulo Freire and Barack Obama.


Or....do you see our current system as.....exemplary?
 
If women can take no pay penalty for taking time off to procreate(for their own gratification),then men should take no py penalty for cruising singlesclubs and church meet up groups.


I always love autobiographical posts....but....this one relates to the OP......how?
Did you stumble into this thread inadvertently?
 
Both parties have their hands in it. Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater.
 
The poverty rate in America, when you include the help given to the poor that raises their measured income,

is about 4%. Why someone like the OP would want to raise that number is anyone's guess.
 
Is it the Right.....or the Left?
Whose policies encourage said inequality?

What? LOL...Who has policies to help the poor? And which party objects to them?


There ya go
inequality goes a lot deeper than giving people free shit, CC.

I know, thats why you presented such a ridiculous point
That inequality isn't so simple? Why is that ridiculous?

No, that you present giving free shit as anyones total solution. Thats why you beat up that strawman.

Everytime I have the conversation with Republicans they go on and on and on about what DOESNT help the poor. Ask them what DOES help the poor and their total response can be summed up in one picture.

A republican giving a self help book to a poor person saying "Here, do this and poverty will go away!"
 
Both parties have their hands in it. Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater.



"Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater."

The only difference between Custer’s Last Stand and what I’m about to do to you is that Custer didn’t have to read the post afterwards.




Now...watch how I utterly eviscerate your post:


8. "....Milton Friedman wrote, “Our [conservative] humanitarian sentiments demand that some provision should be made for those who draw blanks in the lottery of life,” and “there is justification in trying to achieve a minimum income for all.” In Capitalism and Freedom, he proposed a negative income tax as a means to achieve that goal. Monbiot really should have known this, since he links to this very article in his own piece." Fee, Op. Cit.


Guess who put that idea into effect? The Left???? Nope.

a. The EITC has a sterling Republican heritage. It was first instituted in the 1920s by a Republican Congress at the instigation of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon. Repealed in 1943, Republican President Gerald Ford revived it in 1975.

EITC supporters argued that because the credit would be available only to those with earned income, it would reinforce work incentives and help get people off welfare. By making the credit refundable, it would offset the disincentive effects of higher payroll tax rates, which had risen from 4.8 percent on workers and employers in 1970 to 5.85 percent in 1975.

b. In the 1980s, Republican Ronald Reagan supported a big increase in the EITC rate from 10 percent to 14 percent. In 1990, George H.W. Bush supported a further increase.

Despite the exploding cost of the EITC, Republicans in Congress created another tax credit in the 1997 tax bill. The child credit was intended to make it easier for mothers to stay at home and raise their children, rather than work outside the home. Bruce Bartlett - Republicans and the Earned Income Tax Credit

c. “…the earned income tax credit ("EITC") that was enacted by Republican Gerald Ford and then re-enacted and expanded in 1986 by... could it be, don't tell me, say it ain't so!... Ronald Reagan.” Reagan the Redistributor: Check Out the Earned Income Tax Credit

d. “…a child care tax deduction included in the immense Internal Revenue Code of 1954 (who was President?)…” Welcome | Work and Family Researchers Network



I'm going to be interested in your response...
 
Both parties have their hands in it. Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater.



"Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater."

The only difference between Custer’s Last Stand and what I’m about to do to you is that Custer didn’t have to read the post afterwards.




Now...watch how I utterly eviscerate your post:


8. "....Milton Friedman wrote, “Our [conservative] humanitarian sentiments demand that some provision should be made for those who draw blanks in the lottery of life,” and “there is justification in trying to achieve a minimum income for all.” In Capitalism and Freedom, he proposed a negative income tax as a means to achieve that goal. Monbiot really should have known this, since he links to this very article in his own piece." Fee, Op. Cit.


Guess who put that idea into effect? The Left???? Nope.

a. The EITC has a sterling Republican heritage. It was first instituted in the 1920s by a Republican Congress at the instigation of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon. Repealed in 1943, Republican President Gerald Ford revived it in 1975.

EITC supporters argued that because the credit would be available only to those with earned income, it would reinforce work incentives and help get people off welfare. By making the credit refundable, it would offset the disincentive effects of higher payroll tax rates, which had risen from 4.8 percent on workers and employers in 1970 to 5.85 percent in 1975.

b. In the 1980s, Republican Ronald Reagan supported a big increase in the EITC rate from 10 percent to 14 percent. In 1990, George H.W. Bush supported a further increase.

Despite the exploding cost of the EITC, Republicans in Congress created another tax credit in the 1997 tax bill. The child credit was intended to make it easier for mothers to stay at home and raise their children, rather than work outside the home. Bruce Bartlett - Republicans and the Earned Income Tax Credit

c. “…the earned income tax credit ("EITC") that was enacted by Republican Gerald Ford and then re-enacted and expanded in 1986 by... could it be, don't tell me, say it ain't so!... Ronald Reagan.” Reagan the Redistributor: Check Out the Earned Income Tax Credit

d. “…a child care tax deduction included in the immense Internal Revenue Code of 1954 (who was President?)…” Welcome | Work and Family Researchers Network



I'm going to be interested in your response...

Wow. That was profound. I was looking for some body parts, and see NONE. Did read, however, som fiction.
Next.
 
Both parties have their hands in it. Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater.



"Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater."

The only difference between Custer’s Last Stand and what I’m about to do to you is that Custer didn’t have to read the post afterwards.




Now...watch how I utterly eviscerate your post:


8. "....Milton Friedman wrote, “Our [conservative] humanitarian sentiments demand that some provision should be made for those who draw blanks in the lottery of life,” and “there is justification in trying to achieve a minimum income for all.” In Capitalism and Freedom, he proposed a negative income tax as a means to achieve that goal. Monbiot really should have known this, since he links to this very article in his own piece." Fee, Op. Cit.


Guess who put that idea into effect? The Left???? Nope.

a. The EITC has a sterling Republican heritage. It was first instituted in the 1920s by a Republican Congress at the instigation of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon. Repealed in 1943, Republican President Gerald Ford revived it in 1975.

EITC supporters argued that because the credit would be available only to those with earned income, it would reinforce work incentives and help get people off welfare. By making the credit refundable, it would offset the disincentive effects of higher payroll tax rates, which had risen from 4.8 percent on workers and employers in 1970 to 5.85 percent in 1975.

b. In the 1980s, Republican Ronald Reagan supported a big increase in the EITC rate from 10 percent to 14 percent. In 1990, George H.W. Bush supported a further increase.

Despite the exploding cost of the EITC, Republicans in Congress created another tax credit in the 1997 tax bill. The child credit was intended to make it easier for mothers to stay at home and raise their children, rather than work outside the home. Bruce Bartlett - Republicans and the Earned Income Tax Credit

c. “…the earned income tax credit ("EITC") that was enacted by Republican Gerald Ford and then re-enacted and expanded in 1986 by... could it be, don't tell me, say it ain't so!... Ronald Reagan.” Reagan the Redistributor: Check Out the Earned Income Tax Credit

d. “…a child care tax deduction included in the immense Internal Revenue Code of 1954 (who was President?)…” Welcome | Work and Family Researchers Network



I'm going to be interested in your response...
ideology and political parties are not mutually exclusive.
The republican corporatists also backed trade deals that helped create more inequality. The rich got richer and we got poorer.
Bank bailout?
Didn't they help vote to give GM all that money at an 11 billion dollar expense to the tax payers?
Guess what, special interest lobbyists LOVE them some republicans. Don't be so fuckin coy, hack.
 
Chic, your party got hijacked by corporatists, just like the dems. Grow up, accept it and move on.
 
Both parties have their hands in it. Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater.



"Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater."

The only difference between Custer’s Last Stand and what I’m about to do to you is that Custer didn’t have to read the post afterwards.




Now...watch how I utterly eviscerate your post:


8. "....Milton Friedman wrote, “Our [conservative] humanitarian sentiments demand that some provision should be made for those who draw blanks in the lottery of life,” and “there is justification in trying to achieve a minimum income for all.” In Capitalism and Freedom, he proposed a negative income tax as a means to achieve that goal. Monbiot really should have known this, since he links to this very article in his own piece." Fee, Op. Cit.


Guess who put that idea into effect? The Left???? Nope.

a. The EITC has a sterling Republican heritage. It was first instituted in the 1920s by a Republican Congress at the instigation of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon. Repealed in 1943, Republican President Gerald Ford revived it in 1975.

EITC supporters argued that because the credit would be available only to those with earned income, it would reinforce work incentives and help get people off welfare. By making the credit refundable, it would offset the disincentive effects of higher payroll tax rates, which had risen from 4.8 percent on workers and employers in 1970 to 5.85 percent in 1975.

b. In the 1980s, Republican Ronald Reagan supported a big increase in the EITC rate from 10 percent to 14 percent. In 1990, George H.W. Bush supported a further increase.

Despite the exploding cost of the EITC, Republicans in Congress created another tax credit in the 1997 tax bill. The child credit was intended to make it easier for mothers to stay at home and raise their children, rather than work outside the home. Bruce Bartlett - Republicans and the Earned Income Tax Credit

c. “…the earned income tax credit ("EITC") that was enacted by Republican Gerald Ford and then re-enacted and expanded in 1986 by... could it be, don't tell me, say it ain't so!... Ronald Reagan.” Reagan the Redistributor: Check Out the Earned Income Tax Credit

d. “…a child care tax deduction included in the immense Internal Revenue Code of 1954 (who was President?)…” Welcome | Work and Family Researchers Network



I'm going to be interested in your response...
ideology and political parties are not mutually exclusive.
The republican corporatists also backed trade deals that helped create more inequality. The rich got richer and we got poorer.
Bank bailout?
Didn't they help vote to give GM all that money at an 11 billion dollar expense to the tax payers?
Guess what, special interest lobbyists LOVE them some republicans. Don't be so fuckin coy, hack.



And there it is.....the vulgarity that flows from small minded individuals who recognize that I've smashed a custard pie in their kissers.


Clearly, an admission that your post...
"Neither party cares about Americans. Its just political theater."
....was simply more of the hot air for which you are infamous.
 

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