Who Owns You?

[Lumpy 1]

Well, realizing that the die is cast, it's just a matter of time and that we are all on the road to full and complete ownership by the government, their true owners and such, I just kinda wondered how ya'll felt about it?

Me.. I think it sucks...



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By Dr. Tim Nerenz

It starts and ends with one question: “who owns you?”

If you believe that you are owned by your society, that others are entitled to your person, your property, and your compliance with their beliefs, then your demand of the law is that it limits freedom in order to maximize equality.

Conversely, if you believe that you own yourself, that you alone are entitled to your person, your property, and your compliance, then your demand of the law is that it protects your rights from those who would limit your freedom.

This is why we do not get along anymore. We want different things from the law, from our leaders, from our government, and from each other. In the first case, the owned person seeks to negotiate the terms of his existence through the passage of laws which bind individuals. In the second case, the free person seeks to keep his liberty non-negotiable through the passage of laws which bind government.

Liberty 101 – Who Owns You? | Founders Intent

 

[occupied]

No one owns anyone, what a crappy way to describe social responsibility. Conservatives are whining like a bunch of bitter only children who are suddenly faced with step siblings.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jesus Christ

 

[dblack]

Well, realizing that the die is cast, it's just a matter of time and that we are all on the road to full and complete ownership by the government, their true owners and such, I just kinda wondered how ya'll felt about it?

Me.. I think it sucks...



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By Dr. Tim Nerenz

It starts and ends with one question: “who owns you?”

If you believe that you are owned by your society, that others are entitled to your person, your property, and your compliance with their beliefs, then your demand of the law is that it limits freedom in order to maximize equality.

Conversely, if you believe that you own yourself, that you alone are entitled to your person, your property, and your compliance, then your demand of the law is that it protects your rights from those who would limit your freedom.

This is why we do not get along anymore. We want different things from the law, from our leaders, from our government, and from each other. In the first case, the owned person seeks to negotiate the terms of his existence through the passage of laws which bind individuals. In the second case, the free person seeks to keep his liberty non-negotiable through the passage of laws which bind government.

Liberty 101 – Who Owns You? | Founders Intent

You're essentially describing socialism, and I don't honestly think that's where we're headed. We're all distracted with a pseudo struggle between marxism and capitalism, when in reality corporatism is our undeniable historical vector:

Progressive corporatism
From the 1850s onward progressive corporatism developed in response to classical liberalism and Marxism. These corporatists supported providing group rights to members of the middle classes and working classes in order to secure cooperation among the classes. This was in opposition to the Marxist conception of class conflict. By the 1870s and 1880s, corporatism experienced a revival in Europe with the creation of workers' unions that were committed to negotiations with employers.

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Liberal corporatism was an influential component of the Progressivism in the United States that has been referred to as "interest group liberalism". The support by U.S. labor representatives of liberal corporatism of the U.S. progressives is believed to have been influenced by the syndicalism and particularly the anarcho-syndicalism at the time in Europe. In the United States, economic corporatism involving capital-labour cooperation was influential in the New Deal economic program of the United States in the 1930s as well as in Keynesianism and even Fordism.

 

[Wiseacre]

Mrs Wiseacre, body and soul.