Who Killed The Hope ?

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    Barack Obama Promised A New Kind Of Politics, But Played The Same Old Game

    This is a very interesting analysis by people who are looking at execution instead of ideology. You'll see people like Van Jones quoted in here.

    It shows that Obama, by and large, made several large tactical errors that cost him the support he needed to get his major activities through as he wanted them.

    And that bending and twisting is package (as in the case of Obamacare) pissed off as many people he needed long term, as it got him short term.

    Not overly partisan.....very well done.

    From the article:

    Barack Obama could have learned something from LBJ. As a candidate Obama promised to change the way Washington works and he rode a wave of global support into the White House. His first two years in office have repeatedly been compared to the New Deal under Franklin Roosevelt and the Great Society under Johnson, with historic achievements on health care, Wall Street reform and other domestic priorities.

    But Obama’s first term has also left many of his supporters wondering whether those accomplishments could have been bigger in size, scope and impact. The health care reform legislation was built largely off a conservative model, with millions of people shuttled into the private market. The financial regulatory reform bill contained carve-outs for the private sector and is widely regarded as not far-reaching enough to curb some of the banking industry’s worst practices. The White House made little effort to push labor priorities like the Employee Free Choice Act, which would have granted workers more avenues to form unions. The Iraq war may have ended, but the war in Afghanistan heated up, with lingering confusion as to why troops remain there.
     
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    I agree with the criticism you posted. BUT (BIG but), what the GOP offered and still offers is not even close to what Obama has done or will do.

    What Obama's first term has proven:
    1) Obama is not a socialist

    2) Obama is not a real liberal

    3) The liberal/progressive wing of the Democratic Party has been out of power since they boarded Bobby Kennedy's funeral train.

    3) Obama is lucky the Kennedy brothers are gone, they would have taken Obama to the wood shed, along with that little worm, Rahm Emanuel.

    "Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
    President John F. Kennedy
     
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    People wonder what Romney is going to do when he gets into office. This is exactly the kind of thing he does with the opinion leaders when it comes to execution. It's how he got the games back on track. I don't agree with the authors praise of Obama. Regardless, here is an interesting take on how you get things done. In this case, it is democracy in the wrong direction (from a conservatives point of view). However, it is what Mitt will need to do in order to "get government out of our lives". What pisses me off is that the GOP is corrupt in that they have given up on this at the local level. Even in Kansas, where we will soon have solid conservative majorities in both houses and in the State House, there is little communication with the general public on issues that means anything. Getting a good analysis of issues is very tough....both sides lie, twist and bend to suit their needs. Anyway....I digress....

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    But that only raises the question of what Obama might have gotten had he done more to drum up support for his proposals outside Washington.

    Long after Obama and Democratic leaders on the Hill had given up on the public option, progressive groups, working with two freshmen on the House side — Maine’s Chellie Pingree and Colorado’s Jared Polis — brought it back to life.

    Democrats lost their 60-vote majority in the Senate in January 2010 when Scott Brown won a special election in Massachusetts to fill the late Ted Kennedy’s seat. Emanuel urged the president to whittle down the bill into small pieces that could pass through Congress. Pundits across town thought the whole enterprise was dead. It was the outside game that revived it.

    The only possibility was to use a process known as reconciliation, a controversial legislative maneuver which requires only a majority vote. Pingree and Polis urged Reid to use reconciliation and put the public option on the floor.

    But instead of lobbying Reid alone, the freshmen partnered with outside progressive groups who ran national petitions and lobbied other members to sign. Hundreds of thousands of people signed the petition, along with scores of Democratic members of Congress. Each time a new senator signed on, momentum grew. Eventually, more than 50 senators were on record supporting the public option through reconciliation.

    Responding to the pressure, a Reid spokesman issued a statement saying that if the caucus wanted a vote, he would consider moving forward on it. It was a direct challenge to the White House, which had little desire to reignite what they thought was a hopeless debate.

    A few hours after Reid’s office put out the statement, Emanuel met senior Reid aide Jim Manley and a few reporters from The Washington Post and The New York Times for dinner and drinks at Lola’s, a Capitol Hill bar and grill. Seeing Manley at the table, Emanuel, who was desperately just trying to get a bill through Congress, offered a response to Reid’s gesture with one of his own: a double-bird, an eerie sight given his half-severed right finger.

    The public option never got a vote. But the outside game changed the fortunes of the seemingly dead health care bill.

    Obama himself, with his signature effort on the brink, broke with the inside game playbook and used his bully pulpit in one of the most effective ways a president ever has. His aides demanded that cameras record his appearance before the House Republican Caucus retreat in Baltimore, during which he publicly called those lawmakers out for knee-jerk opposition and intellectual dishonesty. A month later, he held open meetings at the Blair House, debating congressional Republicans on the merits and shortcomings of their pieces of reform.

    The Blair House summit was deemed a draw by the Capitol Hill press, but what the media missed was that Obama had redirected the nation’s attention to health care and away from the Brown victory. The momentum shifted. The party decided to move forward with reconciliation. Democrats had the space and capital they needed to get the Affordable Care Act passed.
     
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    And what Republicans did during the healthcare debate should not be deemed acceptable by either side. It was dishonest, contrived, destructive, an insult to We the People who were never a consideration by the right.

    "If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him"
    Senator Jim DeMint - July, 2009

    Waterloo - March 21st, 2010
    By David J. Frum, former economic speechwriter for President George W. Bush.


    At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

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    Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.
     
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    I'm not sure dramatic change is really possible in politics these days, not by any party.

    There are too many vested interested, too much negativity, and such a lack of people wanting to work together.

    This is not only true in the US, but in most developed countries.
     
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    Here's my favorite Bob Hope clip...

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k]Bob Hope on Zombies and Democrats - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Bob Hope was a funny guy. There was a time when we could laugh at ourselves.

    Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans.
    Will Rogers

    "(Dan) Quayle thinks Roe vs. Wade are two ways to cross the Potomac."
    Bob Hope

    "Ronald Reagan is not a typical politician because he doesn't know how to lie, cheat, and steal. He's always had an agent do that."
    Bob Hope
     
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