Who is the most over-rated president of all-time?

[sitarro]

For the purposes of so-called historical perspective, I won't include recent presidents.

I will include a recent President since only two on the list were in office during my lifetime.

Ronald Reagan is way overrated.

That explains a lot.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Reagan #1- He was given credit for actions to end the Cold War that had actually accumulated over 40+ years and 7 administrations of both parties.

How old are you kon?

kon is right on the money here

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

]Ronald Reagan was perhaps the greatest liar of the 20th Century.

Reagan #1- He was given credit for actions to end the Cold War that had actually accumulated over 40+ years and 7 administrations of both parties.

so very true

and Reagan lied more than any other President.

Ronald Reagan was perhaps the greatest liar of the 20th Century.

Reagan said he did not authorize Poindexter to mislead Congress, contradicting Poindexter's argument that Reagan knew of and authorized his activities...The words ``I don't remember'' or their equivalents occurred at least 124 times in his eight hours of testimony. The lapses in memory ranged from the identity of Rep. Lee Hamilton, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee during several of the key years of Reagan's presidency, to the central conclusions of the Tower Commission, which Reagan appointed to investigate the Iran-contra affair.

Reagan, now 79, also didn't remember that Robert McFarlane, who served as his national security adviser, had pleaded guilty to a charge of withholding information from Congress.

Reagan's memory lapses, however, never occurred on answers that bolstered his longstanding position that he, himself, had done nothing wrong. Repeatedly, he emphasized that while he might not be able to recall the names of the subordinates he gave instructions to - even at Cabinet rank - he recalled clearly the content of the instructions: ``Stay within the law.''
. - Business | Iran-Contra Deposition -- Reagan Testimony Bares Memory Loss, But Not Much Else | Seattle Times Newspaper

 

[old navy]

Since others are throwing in presidents not on the list due to them serving in recent history, I will add Obama.

Over-rated, over-loved and worshiped, and way under-qualified. History will show this to be the truth.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

It's easily FDR. Everything that is f'd up about our society is traced to him. And it was his policies that extended a recession into The Great Depression. And he was asleep at the wheel on Pearl Harbor. And his apathy led to Hitler's dominance and consequently millions in casualties. All of that, and the idiot "historians" and liberals celebrate him as the second best president when he's really the worst ever. You can't get more over-rated than that.

I have to disagree. Franklin Roosevelt was one of the truly great Presidents. Doesn't mean each and every one of his policies was the best, but overal he was a great leader and what the nation needed at that time. Very much like Reagan really.

Yea? What did FDR do that was so great? You're just buying into the liberal propaganda. I used to think FDR was great too, because the public indoctrination system (public schools and media) and told me it was so so many times. But then I studied economics and history further and I learned that that is a bold faced lie.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

It's easily FDR. Everything that is f'd up about our society is traced to him. And it was his policies that extended a recession into The Great Depression. And he was asleep at the wheel on Pearl Harbor. And his apathy led to Hitler's dominance and consequently millions in casualties. All of that, and the idiot "historians" and liberals celebrate him as the second best president when he's really the worst ever. You can't get more over-rated than that.

It couldn't have been Hoover's three years of inaction that extended the Great Depression?

Asleep at the wheel? He was trying to do everything short of war to rein in the Japanese. It was the local commander that was asleep at the wheel. He knew it and took off his stars immediately.

Apathy towards Hitler? He recognized the danger, but had to deal with people, including the Republican presidential candidate, who wanted to turn a blind eye to what was happening in Europe.

You want to blame a decade of the worst economy ever on Hoover, who wasn't even in charge? Typical lib nonsense. You like to blame Obama's sudden b.s. economy on Bush.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Thomas Woodrow Wilson.

Wilson pushed started the Federal income tax and the Federal Reserve Act which are anchors on his presidency.

Ah. I was thinking Wilson. I had thought the income tax came a a decade or two later. Still, I think it's FDR's advancing of social security and other unneeded compulsory taxes that just punched holes in the Constitution.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It's easily FDR. Everything that is f'd up about our society is traced to him. And it was his policies that extended a recession into The Great Depression. And he was asleep at the wheel on Pearl Harbor. And his apathy led to Hitler's dominance and consequently millions in casualties. All of that, and the idiot "historians" and liberals celebrate him as the second best president when he's really the worst ever. You can't get more over-rated than that.

It couldn't have been Hoover's three years of inaction that extended the Great Depression?

Asleep at the wheel? He was trying to do everything short of war to rein in the Japanese. It was the local commander that was asleep at the wheel. He knew it and took off his stars immediately.

Apathy towards Hitler? He recognized the danger, but had to deal with people, including the Republican presidential candidate, who wanted to turn a blind eye to what was happening in Europe.

You want to blame a decade of the worst economy ever on Hoover, who wasn't even in charge? Typical lib nonsense. You like to blame Obama's sudden b.s. economy on Bush.

then how does Reagan get credit and blame for everything from fiscal budgets to the fall of the Berlin Wall?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

What did FDR do that was so great...I used to think FDR was great too...

then you got indoctrinated into the Right Wing Lunatic Clique

 

[regent]

It's easily FDR. Everything that is f'd up about our society is traced to him. And it was his policies that extended a recession into The Great Depression. And he was asleep at the wheel on Pearl Harbor. And his apathy led to Hitler's dominance and consequently millions in casualties. All of that, and the idiot "historians" and liberals celebrate him as the second best president when he's really the worst ever. You can't get more over-rated than that.

I have to disagree. Franklin Roosevelt was one of the truly great Presidents. Doesn't mean each and every one of his policies was the best, but overal he was a great leader and what the nation needed at that time. Very much like Reagan really.

Yea? What did FDR do that was so great? You're just buying into the liberal propaganda. I used to think FDR was great too, because the public indoctrination system (public schools and media) and told me it was so so many times. But then I studied economics and history further and I learned that that is a bold faced lie.

So you disagree with the 238 noted historians and presidential experts that recently rated FDR as America's greatest president. The historians have never rated FDR less than third greatest and now he's rated the greatest. Perhaps they are unaware that you have studied history and economics? So, OK, the historian rated him the greatest what about the people? They elected FDR four times, that's four times.
The best response is historians are communists.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

It couldn't have been Hoover's three years of inaction that extended the Great Depression?

Asleep at the wheel? He was trying to do everything short of war to rein in the Japanese. It was the local commander that was asleep at the wheel. He knew it and took off his stars immediately.

Apathy towards Hitler? He recognized the danger, but had to deal with people, including the Republican presidential candidate, who wanted to turn a blind eye to what was happening in Europe.

You want to blame a decade of the worst economy ever on Hoover, who wasn't even in charge? Typical lib nonsense. You like to blame Obama's sudden b.s. economy on Bush.

then how does Reagan get credit and blame for everything from fiscal budgets to the fall of the Berlin Wall?

Are you unaware of the Reagan economy vs. the Carter economy? Do some homework and you won't have to ask.

As for the Berlin Wall, did Kennedy or Carter demand the wall be torn down and then back it up? Maybe if they did, they'd be getting credit. They never had their eye against oppression and in fact they envied their far left control tactics.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I have to disagree. Franklin Roosevelt was one of the truly great Presidents. Doesn't mean each and every one of his policies was the best, but overal he was a great leader and what the nation needed at that time. Very much like Reagan really.

Yea? What did FDR do that was so great? You're just buying into the liberal propaganda. I used to think FDR was great too, because the public indoctrination system (public schools and media) and told me it was so so many times. But then I studied economics and history further and I learned that that is a bold faced lie.

So you disagree with the 238 noted historians and presidential experts that recently rated FDR as America's greatest president. The historians have never rated FDR less than third greatest and now he's rated the greatest. Perhaps they are unaware that you have studied history and economics? So, OK, the historian rated him the greatest what about the people? They elected FDR four times, that's four times.
The best response is historians are communists.

The historians clearly have an agenda that goes beyond merely rating the presidents. Likely, they like FDR's socialistic policies (even though they hurt prosperity). That is the general bias of people inside of the public indoctrination system. It's literally in their own personal financial interests to rate FDR so high.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You want to blame a decade of the worst economy ever on Hoover, who wasn't even in charge? Typical lib nonsense. You like to blame Obama's sudden b.s. economy on Bush.

then how does Reagan get credit and blame for everything from fiscal budgets to the fall of the Berlin Wall?

Are you unaware of the Reagan economy vs. the Carter economy? Do some homework and you won't have to ask.

As for the Berlin Wall, did Kennedy or Carter demand the wall be torn down and then back it up? Maybe if they did, they'd be getting credit. They never had their eye against oppression and in fact they envied their far left control tactics.

First: "did Kennedy or Carter demand the wall be torn down and then back it up?"


Reagan demanded the wall be torn down so the East Germans and Soviets complied? And backed it up how? Like he backed it up with the US response to the worst attack on US Marines in a single day? Lebanon: There was no serious retaliation for the Beirut bombing from the Americans, besides a few shellings. In retaliation for the attacks, France launched an airstrike in the Bekaa Valley against alleged Islamic Revolutionary Guards positions

The Beirut Barracks Bombing (October 23, 1983 in Beirut, Lebanon) --- U.S. President Ronald Reagan called the attack a "despicable act" and pledged to keep a military force in Lebanon...On October 24, French President François Mitterrand visited the bombed French site. U.S. Vice President George H. W. Bush toured the Marine bombed-site on October 26 and said the U.S. "would not be cowed by terrorists."

On February 7, 1984, President Reagan ordered the Marines to begin withdrawing from Lebanon.
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Who was comparing the Carter and Reagan economies? here is your homework: Carter's Economy

Jimmy Carter inherited a deeply troubled economy. The "great inflation" that is associated with his presidency in fact began in the latter part of the Johnson years, and the oil crisis Carter faced was the second oil price shock of the decade. In addition, a decline in worker productivity and a rise in competition from Germany and Japan compounded the nation's economic problems.

btw, I was NEVER a fan of the evangelical Presidency of Jimmy Carter. I was with Ted Kennedy in 1980.

Economy: stagflation and the appointment of Volcker

The economic history of the Carter Administration can be divided in two roughly equal periods. The first two years were a time of continuing recovery from the severe 1973–75 recession, which had left fixed investment at its lowest level since the 1970 recession and unemployment at 9%.[24] The second two years were marked by double-digit inflation, coupled with very high interest rates,[25] oil shortages, and slow economic growth.[26] The nation's economy grew by an average of 3.4% during the Carter Administration (at par with the historical average).[27] Each of these two-year periods, however, would differ dramatically.

The U.S. economy, which had grown by 5% in 1976, continued to grow at a similar pace during 1977 and 1978.[27] Unemployment declined from 7.5% in January 1977 to 5.6% by May 1979, with over 9 million net new jobs created during that interim,[28] and real median household income grew by 5% from 1976 to 1978.[29] The recovery in business investment in evidence during 1976 strengthened as well. Fixed private investment (machinery and construction) grew by 30% from 1976 to 1979, home sales and construction grew another one third by 1978, and industrial production, motor vehicle output and sales did so by nearly 15%; with the exception of new housing starts, which remained slightly below their 1972 peak, each of these benchmarks reached record levels in 1978 or 1979.[24]

The 1979 energy crisis ended this period of growth, however, and as both inflation and interest rates rose, economic growth, job creation, and consumer confidence declined sharply.[25]

Presidency of Jimmy Carter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Vidi]

The most over rated presidenty in history is Ronald Reagan. End of thread.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR and it's not close

Kept unemployment at 20% for 8 years and gave away Eastern Europe and China to history's 2 biggest mass murderers: Mao and Uncle Joe

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The historians clearly have an agenda that goes beyond merely rating the presidents.

Oh, clearly!

 

[Vidi]

FDR and it's not close

Kept unemployment at 20% for 8 years and gave away Eastern Europe and China to history's 2 biggest mass murderers: Mao and Uncle Joe

I SAID END OF THREAD!

 

[del]

You want to blame a decade of the worst economy ever on Hoover, who wasn't even in charge? Typical lib nonsense. You like to blame Obama's sudden b.s. economy on Bush.

then how does Reagan get credit and blame for everything from fiscal budgets to the fall of the Berlin Wall?

Are you unaware of the Reagan economy vs. the Carter economy? Do some homework and you won't have to ask.

As for the Berlin Wall, did Kennedy or Carter demand the wall be torn down and then back it up? Maybe if they did, they'd be getting credit. They never had their eye against oppression and in fact they envied their far left control tactics.

damn, you really believe this shit.

ask an adult about the cuban missile crisis and get back to me.

reagan made good speeches; he sucked otherwise.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

then how does Reagan get credit and blame for everything from fiscal budgets to the fall of the Berlin Wall?

Are you unaware of the Reagan economy vs. the Carter economy? Do some homework and you won't have to ask.

As for the Berlin Wall, did Kennedy or Carter demand the wall be torn down and then back it up? Maybe if they did, they'd be getting credit. They never had their eye against oppression and in fact they envied their far left control tactics.

damn, you really believe this shit.

ask an adult about the cuban missile crisis and get back to me.

reagan made good speeches; he sucked otherwise.

Ask an adult about the Bay Of Pigs.

 

[del]

Are you unaware of the Reagan economy vs. the Carter economy? Do some homework and you won't have to ask.

As for the Berlin Wall, did Kennedy or Carter demand the wall be torn down and then back it up? Maybe if they did, they'd be getting credit. They never had their eye against oppression and in fact they envied their far left control tactics.

damn, you really believe this shit.

ask an adult about the cuban missile crisis and get back to me.

reagan made good speeches; he sucked otherwise.

Ask an adult about the Bay Of Pigs.

i already know about the bay of pigs, sonny.

do you have a point or are you just making sure the whole world knows you're a braying jackass?