Who is responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters over the centuries?

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  1. healthmyths
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    I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
    Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

    Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

    Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

    Again your ignorance is so appalling.
    Are you against the USA being in NATO?

    Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

    Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
    understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
    Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.
     
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    The Boat People Were Chickenhawks

    The South Vietnamese were cowards, crooks, incompetents, and collaborators. They deserved everything the Communists did to them.
     
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    ''warhawks'' ??!!
    ''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
    ..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
    ..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
    ...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
    ---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

    there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable
     
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    Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

    Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
    What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
    "The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
    [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

    BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

    In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

    This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

    But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
    The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
    Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
    The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

    They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
    Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
    Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


    A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
    Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
    Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian
     
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    who won the Vietnam War??
     
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    According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

    When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
    The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.


    According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War
     
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    who won the war??
    ....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
    ..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win
     
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    this is complete bullshit lunacy---the North won--plain and simple--this cannot be denied
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    you need to read history
    the Japanese and Germans were being POUNDED
    hundreds of thousands DEAD/displaced/etc
    cities destroyed
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    the Germans hit from both fronts! the Allies were in Germany
    Germany had taken HUGE losses
    guess what--still no surrender

    most of Japan's major cities were destroyed
    being strangled by subs...BBs bombarding the coast
    ...even AFTER the atomic bombs, they Still did not want to surrender--the vote was tied!!
    ....even AFTER the emperor voted for surrender, many Japanese still did not want to, and tried to stop it by force

    after over 10 years of US involvement/etc, the NVietnamese are not even close to surrender--they know they have the upper hand...
    ..they beat the Japanese and the French--with US helping France !!!!!
    ..the North will not lose
     
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    Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
    You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
    But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
    statements like these:
    "The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

    As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
    gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
    other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

    Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
    -"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
    John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

    Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

    Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
    troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
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