Who Is Occupying Who's Land?

[Phoenall]

But not the Jews that lived in the area who stayed as Jews. Up to the mid 7C the Jews were not molested by the romans or Christians. Come the muslims and everyone in Palestine was forced into converting to islam or being killed. This resulted in the genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews and Christians for 100 years until the muslims were the majority

What a clown you are. You really should stop posting bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself. You will write just about any bullshit until someone like me, that knows far more than you, posts the facts with links.

The Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders:

"Meanwhile, the crusaders had reached Jerusalem (June 7, 1099), and the siege had begun. The city was captured on July 15, with Godfrey entering it through the Jewish quarter, where inhabitants defended themselves alongside their Muslim neighbors, finally seeking refuge in the synagogues, which were set on fire by the attackers. A terrible massacre ensued; the survivors were sold as slaves, some being later redeemed by Jewish communities in Italy. The Jewish community of Jerusalem came to an end and was not reconstituted for many years, but the Jewish centers in Galilee went unscathed. However, the great community of Ramleh dispersed, as did that of Jaffa , so that overall the Jewish community in the Holy Land was greatly diminished.

The Crusades Jewish Virtual Library

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

Outstanding question. Bless you for your very fine mind in asking it so all can see the truth. Jerusalem was in JUDEA.

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/nt_israel-flat.jpg

Jerusalem was the capital of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and in Palestine, not Judea. Judea did not exist at the time of the siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders. You people are thick.

Try looking in the mirror for the thick one, the latin kingdom of Jerusalem was a city state invented by some crusaders. Judea was in existence before the Roman Empire was thought of. And for your Information Judea was in Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

Embedded in the "Question of Palestine" and "who-is-occupying-whos-land(?)" is the question of "who are the who's." Obviously, one of them is "Israel." But is there a actually a functional government that represents the Palestinian People?

Most of the conversation thus far is about historical events that cannot be changed; and of course the usual finger-pointing. But the real question is whether or not the Palestinians (who claim to be able to stand on their own and exercise self-determination) actually have a government and a voice that can act on their behalf?

Recently, in an interview (Published Wednesday, September 17, 2014 by Mohammed Fouad) with the Beirut-based Al-Akhbar (“Your foreign correspondent in the Middle East”), HAMAS leader Mahmoud al-Zahar (a former HAMAS Foreign Minister) made some points that lead me to believe that the "unity Government" is a government in chaos with little or no real effective leadership.

• We (HAMAS) do not negotiate directly with Israel even though there is no religious or political deterrent that would prevent us from doing so.
• Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas). He helped us negotiate indirectly with the Israeli occupation. But he does not speak in our name and we have not agreed to his project.
• 
  
• Abu Mazen does not play his role to the fullest in the negotiations around humanitarian issues, we will look for another mediator to negotiate with Israel directly. We could ask an Arab or international party such as the United Nations to negotiate with Israel on humanitarian and not political issues.
• 
  
• Mahmoud Abbas is neither a consensus nor a legitimate president, he is a de facto president. We dealt with him as a president who was elected a year before us and we gave him half of the government in the Mecca Agreement in 2006.
• 
  
• The PLO’s agenda is not our agenda. We want to preserve it as a political framework but if we join it then we will change the agenda. The issue for us is not joining the PLO but changing its program because of the Oslo Accords which the organization adopted as a “political free-for-all.” Hamas turned into a resistance project.
• 
  
• The weapons of the Resistance are off the table in talks and on the ground. This is the position of all Palestinians and they all refuse any talk of disarming the Resistance.

These points suggest that their is anything BUT a unity government. HAMAS is attempting to takeover the political control of the State of Palestine by marginalizing the effective control of Mahmoud Abbas.

No matter what the outcome of the discussions about what happened decades ago, the fact of the matter is, that those discussions are about history and cannot help the current situation. It really makes little difference about who did what to whom a half century ago. What can make a difference is who does what to whom --- today. And certainly, while there are grievances of the past that may be relevant yet, none of them have a chance of settlement until the People of Palestine actually decide they want a "State" and are willing to support a reasonable government.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Challenger]

....People of Palestine actually decide they want a "State" and are willing to support a reasonable government.

There, you hit the nail right on the head. "...a reasonable government." Reasonable, in who's eyes? If the Palestinian people held free and fair elections, supervised by the UN and voted in a Hamas government, would the West recognise it? Oh wait, they did, in 2006; that worked well didn't it? Hamas were ready to talk then and America was ready to accept the result of the democratic vote. The US State Department got ready to recognise the new government...and then the Zionist lobby and their masters in Israel went into overdrive and we have the current mess. A "reasonable government" really means one who does what it's told by the Zionists, doesn't it?

 

[toastman]

....People of Palestine actually decide they want a "State" and are willing to support a reasonable government.

There, you hit the nail right on the head. "...a reasonable government." Reasonable, in who's eyes? If the Palestinian people held free and fair elections, supervised by the UN and voted in a Hamas government, would the West recognise it? Oh wait, they did, in 2006; that worked well didn't it? Hamas were ready to talk then and America was ready to accept the result of the democratic vote. The US State Department got ready to recognise the new government...and then the Zionist lobby and their masters in Israel went into overdrive and we have the current mess. A "reasonable government" really means one who does what it's told by the Zionists, doesn't it?

I don't recall this taking place . Wheres your link?

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

I think you made an assumption here, that is not in evidence.

....People of Palestine actually decide they want a "State" and are willing to support a reasonable government.

There, you hit the nail right on the head. "...a reasonable government." Reasonable, in who's eyes? If the Palestinian people held free and fair elections, supervised by the UN and voted in a Hamas government, would the West recognise it? Oh wait, they did, in 2006; that worked well didn't it? Hamas were ready to talk then and America was ready to accept the result of the democratic vote. The US State Department got ready to recognise the new government...and then the Zionist lobby and their masters in Israel went into overdrive and we have the current mess. A "reasonable government" really means one who does what it's told by the Zionists, doesn't it?

(COMMENT)

What the rest of the world community recognizes or does not recognize is a matter of diplomacy. But what the US can recognize and support is a matter of law. And the law of the land is very specific relative to the a designated terrorist organization (ie HAMAS).

Legal Ramifications of Designation

1. It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO. (The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as " any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’
2. Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).
3. Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

It had nothing to do with a "Zionist Lobby." The law has been in place since the 1970's and the rise of Palestinian Terrorism. The fact that the People of Palestine chose to elect (freely) a terrorist organization has automatic consequences. The Zionist Lobby had nothing to do with HAMAS being designated in 1997 as a terrorist group. And a decade later (2006), when it became a political entity by the peoples choice, the Counterintelligence Community threw the red flag. It is a matter of law, not politics. HAMAS earned its place on the designated terrorist list. And the People of Palestine have to accept the consequences of their actions. It is as simple as that.

As usual, the Palestinians shot themselves in the foot and now want to blame everyone else for their self-inflected wound except the ones responsible (the People of Palestine).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

What a clown you are. You really should stop posting bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself. You will write just about any bullshit until someone like me, that knows far more than you, posts the facts with links.

The Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders:

"Meanwhile, the crusaders had reached Jerusalem (June 7, 1099), and the siege had begun. The city was captured on July 15, with Godfrey entering it through the Jewish quarter, where inhabitants defended themselves alongside their Muslim neighbors, finally seeking refuge in the synagogues, which were set on fire by the attackers. A terrible massacre ensued; the survivors were sold as slaves, some being later redeemed by Jewish communities in Italy. The Jewish community of Jerusalem came to an end and was not reconstituted for many years, but the Jewish centers in Galilee went unscathed. However, the great community of Ramleh dispersed, as did that of Jaffa , so that overall the Jewish community in the Holy Land was greatly diminished.

The Crusades Jewish Virtual Library

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

Outstanding question. Bless you for your very fine mind in asking it so all can see the truth. Jerusalem was in JUDEA.

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/nt_israel-flat.jpg

Jerusalem was the capital of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and in Palestine, not Judea. Judea did not exist at the time of the siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders. You people are thick.

Try looking in the mirror for the thick one, the latin kingdom of Jerusalem was a city state invented by some crusaders. Judea was in existence before the Roman Empire was thought of. And for your Information Judea was in Palestine.

1. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was more than twice as large as Israel and the Palestinian territories combined and had large cities such as Acre and Ascalon in it, not just Jerusalem

2. The discussion was not related to anything but the treatment of Jews after the conquest of Jerusalem by the Crusaders. Nothing to do with Judea except that one of your Israel Firster buddies claimed it was not in Palestine. Take it up with him/her.

 

[MJB12741]

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

Outstanding question. Bless you for your very fine mind in asking it so all can see the truth. Jerusalem was in JUDEA.

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/nt_israel-flat.jpg

Jerusalem was the capital of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and in Palestine, not Judea. Judea did not exist at the time of the siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders. You people are thick.

Try looking in the mirror for the thick one, the latin kingdom of Jerusalem was a city state invented by some crusaders. Judea was in existence before the Roman Empire was thought of. And for your Information Judea was in Palestine.

1. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was more than twice as large as Israel and the Palestinian territories combined and had large cities such as Acre and Ascalon in it, not just Jerusalem

2. The discussion was not related to anything but the treatment of Jews after the conquest of Jerusalem by the Crusaders. Nothing to do with Judea except that one of your Israel Firster buddies claimed it was not in Palestine. Take it up with him/her.

Once again, Jerusalem is in JUDEA!. You know, that Muslim province, right?

 

[MJB12741]

Is Judea in Jerusalem

 

[montelatici]

What are blathering on about?

 

[toastman]

What are blathering on about?

I've been asking you the same thing for a while now

 

[montelatici]

What are blathering on about?

I've been asking you the same thing for a while now

I just post fact with sources. You post bullshit. That's the difference.

 

[toastman]

What are blathering on about?

I've been asking you the same thing for a while now

I just post fact with sources. You post bullshit. That's the difference.

Monti, even you know that's not true. Your posts are here for everyone to see, so you cannot get away with a lie like this.
You post Arab propaganda and you constantly distort history. I am the one who posts facts with links. You are full of shit and everyone here knows it.

 

[Phoenall]

....People of Palestine actually decide they want a "State" and are willing to support a reasonable government.

There, you hit the nail right on the head. "...a reasonable government." Reasonable, in who's eyes? If the Palestinian people held free and fair elections, supervised by the UN and voted in a Hamas government, would the West recognise it? Oh wait, they did, in 2006; that worked well didn't it? Hamas were ready to talk then and America was ready to accept the result of the democratic vote. The US State Department got ready to recognise the new government...and then the Zionist lobby and their masters in Israel went into overdrive and we have the current mess. A "reasonable government" really means one who does what it's told by the Zionists, doesn't it?

Link to show that hamas was prepared to talk on matters of peace and mutual borders, and not some partisan source either that matches your agenda

 

[Phoenall]

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

Outstanding question. Bless you for your very fine mind in asking it so all can see the truth. Jerusalem was in JUDEA.

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/nt_israel-flat.jpg

Jerusalem was the capital of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and in Palestine, not Judea. Judea did not exist at the time of the siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders. You people are thick.

Try looking in the mirror for the thick one, the latin kingdom of Jerusalem was a city state invented by some crusaders. Judea was in existence before the Roman Empire was thought of. And for your Information Judea was in Palestine.

1. The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was more than twice as large as Israel and the Palestinian territories combined and had large cities such as Acre and Ascalon in it, not just Jerusalem

2. The discussion was not related to anything but the treatment of Jews after the conquest of Jerusalem by the Crusaders. Nothing to do with Judea except that one of your Israel Firster buddies claimed it was not in Palestine. Take it up with him/her.

Wasn't that the same Crusaders that beat the arab muslims and expelled them from Palestine ?

At its height in encompassed Palestine, Israel and a small part of Lebanon. About 30% of historic Palestine.

Judea - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The name Judea is a Greek and Roman adaptation of the name "Judah", which originally encompassed the territory of the Israelite tribe of that name and later of the ancient Kingdom of Judah. Nimrud Tablet K.3751, dated c.733 BCE, is the earliest known record of the name Judah (written in Assyrian cuneiform as Yaudaya or KUR.ia-ú-da-a-a).
Judea was sometimes used as the name for the entire region, including parts beyond the river Jordan.[6] In 200 CE Sextus Julius Africanus, cited by Eusebius (Church History 1.7.14), described "Nazara" (Nazareth) as a village in Judea.[7]
Judea was the name in use in English until the Jordanian occupation of the area in 1948. Jordan called the area of Judea and Samaria ad-difa’a al-gharbiya (translated into English as the "West Bank").[8] "Yehuda" is the Hebrew term used for the area in modern Israel since the region was captured and occupied by Israel in 1967.[9]

 

[Rehmani]

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

 

[montelatici]

What are blathering on about?

I've been asking you the same thing for a while now

I just post fact with sources. You post bullshit. That's the difference.

Monti, even you know that's not true. Your posts are here for everyone to see, so you cannot get away with a lie like this.
You post Arab propaganda and you constantly distort history. I am the one who posts facts with links. You are full of shit and everyone here knows it.

Is that another Hasbara technique? Just call another poster a liar and repeat enough times? The old Goebells trick.

You never post a fact. You never provide backup because there isn't any except from propaganda sites.

I only post fact with backup and usual the backup are source documents from official archives. It is you and your Israel Firster friends that just repeat Zionist propaganda that has been discredited nearly everywhere.

 

[toastman]

What are blathering on about?

I've been asking you the same thing for a while now

I just post fact with sources. You post bullshit. That's the difference.

Monti, even you know that's not true. Your posts are here for everyone to see, so you cannot get away with a lie like this.
You post Arab propaganda and you constantly distort history. I am the one who posts facts with links. You are full of shit and everyone here knows it.

Is that another Hasbara technique? Just call another poster a liar and repeat enough times? The old Goebells trick.

You never post a fact. You never provide backup because there isn't any except from propaganda sites.

I only post fact with backup and usual the backup are source documents from official archives. It is you and your Israel Firster friends that just repeat Zionist propaganda that has been discredited nearly everywhere.

No, but what you're doing is a typical pro Palestinian technique; accuse others of what you're guilty of. You cannot claim what you are claiming when everyone here can see that it's bullshit.
We all see your posts so we can all see that you DON'T post facts with links, but lies and propaganda.
Fail!

 

[MJB12741]

What are blathering on about?

I've been asking you the same thing for a while now

I just post fact with sources. You post bullshit. That's the difference.

Monti, even you know that's not true. Your posts are here for everyone to see, so you cannot get away with a lie like this.
You post Arab propaganda and you constantly distort history. I am the one who posts facts with links. You are full of shit and everyone here knows it.

Is that another Hasbara technique? Just call another poster a liar and repeat enough times? The old Goebells trick.

You never post a fact. You never provide backup because there isn't any except from propaganda sites.

I only post fact with backup and usual the backup are source documents from official archives. It is you and your Israel Firster friends that just repeat Zionist propaganda that has been discredited nearly everywhere.

LMAO! Monte only posts "FACTS with back up." Now THAT'S funny!

 

[Phoenall]

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.