Who Is Occupying Who's Land?

[Phoenall]

Let's make it clearer for the morons. By 400 AD the state religion of the Roman Empire (the one led by Constantinople) was the one now called Orthodox Christian. Most people in the Empire converted to the Christian religion, including those living in Palestine. Now shut up morons.

But not the Jews that lived in the area who stayed as Jews. Up to the mid 7C the Jews were not molested by the romans or Christians. Come the muslims and everyone in Palestine was forced into converting to islam or being killed. This resulted in the genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews and Christians for 100 years until the muslims were the majority

What a clown you are. You really should stop posting bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself. You will write just about any bullshit until someone like me, that knows far more than you, posts the facts with links.

The Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders:

"Meanwhile, the crusaders had reached Jerusalem (June 7, 1099), and the siege had begun. The city was captured on July 15, with Godfrey entering it through the Jewish quarter, where inhabitants defended themselves alongside their Muslim neighbors, finally seeking refuge in the synagogues, which were set on fire by the attackers. A terrible massacre ensued; the survivors were sold as slaves, some being later redeemed by Jewish communities in Italy. The Jewish community of Jerusalem came to an end and was not reconstituted for many years, but the Jewish centers in Galilee went unscathed. However, the great community of Ramleh dispersed, as did that of Jaffa , so that overall the Jewish community in the Holy Land was greatly diminished.

The Crusades Jewish Virtual Library

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

 

[montelatici]

Let's make it clearer for the morons. By 400 AD the state religion of the Roman Empire (the one led by Constantinople) was the one now called Orthodox Christian. Most people in the Empire converted to the Christian religion, including those living in Palestine. Now shut up morons.

But not the Jews that lived in the area who stayed as Jews. Up to the mid 7C the Jews were not molested by the romans or Christians. Come the muslims and everyone in Palestine was forced into converting to islam or being killed. This resulted in the genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews and Christians for 100 years until the muslims were the majority

What a clown you are. You really should stop posting bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself. You will write just about any bullshit until someone like me, that knows far more than you, posts the facts with links.

The Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders:

"Meanwhile, the crusaders had reached Jerusalem (June 7, 1099), and the siege had begun. The city was captured on July 15, with Godfrey entering it through the Jewish quarter, where inhabitants defended themselves alongside their Muslim neighbors, finally seeking refuge in the synagogues, which were set on fire by the attackers. A terrible massacre ensued; the survivors were sold as slaves, some being later redeemed by Jewish communities in Italy. The Jewish community of Jerusalem came to an end and was not reconstituted for many years, but the Jewish centers in Galilee went unscathed. However, the great community of Ramleh dispersed, as did that of Jaffa , so that overall the Jewish community in the Holy Land was greatly diminished.

The Crusades Jewish Virtual Library

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

 

[MJB12741]

Let's make it clearer for the morons. By 400 AD the state religion of the Roman Empire (the one led by Constantinople) was the one now called Orthodox Christian. Most people in the Empire converted to the Christian religion, including those living in Palestine. Now shut up morons.

But not the Jews that lived in the area who stayed as Jews. Up to the mid 7C the Jews were not molested by the romans or Christians. Come the muslims and everyone in Palestine was forced into converting to islam or being killed. This resulted in the genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews and Christians for 100 years until the muslims were the majority

What a clown you are. You really should stop posting bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself. You will write just about any bullshit until someone like me, that knows far more than you, posts the facts with links.

The Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders:

"Meanwhile, the crusaders had reached Jerusalem (June 7, 1099), and the siege had begun. The city was captured on July 15, with Godfrey entering it through the Jewish quarter, where inhabitants defended themselves alongside their Muslim neighbors, finally seeking refuge in the synagogues, which were set on fire by the attackers. A terrible massacre ensued; the survivors were sold as slaves, some being later redeemed by Jewish communities in Italy. The Jewish community of Jerusalem came to an end and was not reconstituted for many years, but the Jewish centers in Galilee went unscathed. However, the great community of Ramleh dispersed, as did that of Jaffa , so that overall the Jewish community in the Holy Land was greatly diminished.

The Crusades Jewish Virtual Library

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

Outstanding question. Bless you for your very fine mind in asking it so all can see the truth. Jerusalem was in JUDEA.

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/nt_israel-flat.jpg

 

[Phoenall]

Let's make it clearer for the morons. By 400 AD the state religion of the Roman Empire (the one led by Constantinople) was the one now called Orthodox Christian. Most people in the Empire converted to the Christian religion, including those living in Palestine. Now shut up morons.

But not the Jews that lived in the area who stayed as Jews. Up to the mid 7C the Jews were not molested by the romans or Christians. Come the muslims and everyone in Palestine was forced into converting to islam or being killed. This resulted in the genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews and Christians for 100 years until the muslims were the majority

What a clown you are. You really should stop posting bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself. You will write just about any bullshit until someone like me, that knows far more than you, posts the facts with links.

The Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders:

"Meanwhile, the crusaders had reached Jerusalem (June 7, 1099), and the siege had begun. The city was captured on July 15, with Godfrey entering it through the Jewish quarter, where inhabitants defended themselves alongside their Muslim neighbors, finally seeking refuge in the synagogues, which were set on fire by the attackers. A terrible massacre ensued; the survivors were sold as slaves, some being later redeemed by Jewish communities in Italy. The Jewish community of Jerusalem came to an end and was not reconstituted for many years, but the Jewish centers in Galilee went unscathed. However, the great community of Ramleh dispersed, as did that of Jaffa , so that overall the Jewish community in the Holy Land was greatly diminished.

The Crusades Jewish Virtual Library

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

Do you think the little city of Jerusalem is all that exists of Palestine. It is a tiny part of Palestine and the vast majority of Jews lived outside of Jerusalem in places like Hebron, Bethlehem and Nazareth. So as I said in the main the Jews were unmolested until the arab muslims showed up in 635 C.E. and forced them at the point of a sword to convert, they even brag about doing so in the Koran and hadiths.

 

[Rehmani]

The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters who control the world before W
The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters, who control the world before WWII, in the result of WWII Master gave the world UNO so as Jewish got Israel, so as world changed after WWII, World can be change again by the different Master. This is what history tell us and always repeat, so please don't tell us what suit to you be real. Let's talk about your question!
1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?
Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.
2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?
The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.
3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?
You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.

CHANGE YOURSELVES, FREE YOURSELVES FROM YOUR ELDERS THEY ARE USING YOU BY TELLING YOU THAT MASAYA IS COMING AND YOU ARE ESPECIAL KIND AMONG THE MANKIND.

When did arab muslims last physically own Palestine under Customary International law. And at the time of WW1 who under Customary International law owned the land and who did they pass ownership too in 1919 under Customary International law it being the last time that land changed hands as spoils of war. The new owners then passed the land to mandates under the control of Britain, France and Russia and allocated parcels of land to arab muslims namely Iran, Iraq, Syria and Trans Jordan. This left the area now called Palestine as the NEW NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The UN should never have partitioned the land but stuck to the mandate rules and gave the Jews the whole of Palestine and informed the arab muslims that they could move to the land that had been given to them under the mandate, or stay and become full citizens of Israel.

It is the muslims that consider themselves the masters in numbers but are far too disorganised to make them count

Office Of The Historian / US Department Of State
MILESTONES: 1945–1952
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region.

(MANDATE RULER NEVER WANTED JEWISH STATE OR JEWISH UNLIMITED MIGRATION / U.N.O. or USA or JEWS BREACH THE RULER MANDATE AS SUIT TO THEM / ISRAEL IS ILLEGAL.added by me).
The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
But I agree with you that Muslims are still dis-organised.

The British by rights had no say in the matter and it was their inherent ANTI SEMITISM and JEW HATRED that led to the problems we face today. The LoN should have relieved Britain of its mandate and given it to a stronger nation to manage.

Nonsense, You people will never understand, always making stupid argument and keep changing your own point of view, please be real and free your self from your master who are using you.

Try again as the evidence shows that Britain had no power in Palestine other than to assist the various groups to gain independence. I have never changed this fact once, as the ruling power was the LoN who set out the rules of the mandates.

The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters who control the world before W
The whole story as you described above is made by the Masters, who control the world before WWII, in the result of WWII Master gave the world UNO so as Jewish got Israel, so as world changed after WWII, World can be change again by the different Master. This is what history tell us and always repeat, so please don't tell us what suit to you be real. Let's talk about your question!
1) What is the permanent population of the Arab Palestine?
Jordanian,Lebanese,Palestinian and Palestinian Christian including Arab Jewish are part of UNITED PALESTINE population, you can not beat the numbers and you can not change the facts. Be Real.
2) What is the defined territory of The Arab Palestine?
The Palestine was one combined state under OTTOMAN EMPIRE before WWII, including JORDAN,LEBANON,JERUSALEM(Baitulmuqadas) including Invader Israel and invaded territories of UNITED PALESTINE. You can not change the facts to making your own story, be real, good for sole and body.
3) What does the government of the Arab Palestinian have effective control over?
4) What capacity to enter into relation with the others states does the Arab Palestinian claim to have?
You got answer of question 3/4 in Question 2. Be real you can not change the facts by dividing the Palestine and people of Palestine and same time you can not beat the numbers, even though Jewish consider themselves master in numbers, in my point of view only good in counting money nothing else.

CHANGE YOURSELVES, FREE YOURSELVES FROM YOUR ELDERS THEY ARE USING YOU BY TELLING YOU THAT MASAYA IS COMING AND YOU ARE ESPECIAL KIND AMONG THE MANKIND.

When did arab muslims last physically own Palestine under Customary International law. And at the time of WW1 who under Customary International law owned the land and who did they pass ownership too in 1919 under Customary International law it being the last time that land changed hands as spoils of war. The new owners then passed the land to mandates under the control of Britain, France and Russia and allocated parcels of land to arab muslims namely Iran, Iraq, Syria and Trans Jordan. This left the area now called Palestine as the NEW NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The UN should never have partitioned the land but stuck to the mandate rules and gave the Jews the whole of Palestine and informed the arab muslims that they could move to the land that had been given to them under the mandate, or stay and become full citizens of Israel.

It is the muslims that consider themselves the masters in numbers but are far too disorganised to make them count

Office Of The Historian / US Department Of State
MILESTONES: 1945–1952
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region.

(MANDATE RULER NEVER WANTED JEWISH STATE OR JEWISH UNLIMITED MIGRATION / U.N.O. or USA or JEWS BREACH THE RULER MANDATE AS SUIT TO THEM / ISRAEL IS ILLEGAL.added by me).
The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
But I agree with you that Muslims are still dis-organised.

The British by rights had no say in the matter and it was their inherent ANTI SEMITISM and JEW HATRED that led to the problems we face today. The LoN should have relieved Britain of its mandate and given it to a stronger nation to manage.

Nonsense, You people will never understand, always making stupid argument and keep changing your own point of view, please be real and free your self from your master who are using you.

Try again as the evidence shows that Britain had no power in Palestine other than to assist the various groups to gain independence. I have never changed this fact once, as the ruling power was the LoN who set out the rules of the mandates.

It is the Israelis supporter, who bring the Allied Power and their ruler mandate in the issue not me. i just bring the reference to satisfy you guys, you people should agree among yourselves first.
You can not change fact and beat the number, please rehabilitate your self make free from slave.
No masaya is coming and jews are not special kind, be normal good for every one.

 

[Rehmani]

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land in the form of Zionist but again you can not beat THE NUMBERS AND CHANGE THE FACTS, as you accept your self that Palestine was an undefined territory under Ottoman Empire( but Israel was not define even in history), that is how Empire run before industrial revolution, but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.
Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine(according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts. Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Hi Hoss........You could say the same thing for the Zionist Mantra.......trust you are well Hoss..steve

What Zionist mantra, and a link to a non partisan source as evidence ?

Zionist are jews.

 

[Challenger]

Let's make it clearer for the morons. By 400 AD the state religion of the Roman Empire (the one led by Constantinople) was the one now called Orthodox Christian. Most people in the Empire converted to the Christian religion, including those living in Palestine. Now shut up morons.

But not the Jews that lived in the area who stayed as Jews. Up to the mid 7C the Jews were not molested by the romans or Christians. Come the muslims and everyone in Palestine was forced into converting to islam or being killed. This resulted in the genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews and Christians for 100 years until the muslims were the majority

What a clown you are. You really should stop posting bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself. You will write just about any bullshit until someone like me, that knows far more than you, posts the facts with links.

The Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders:

"Meanwhile, the crusaders had reached Jerusalem (June 7, 1099), and the siege had begun. The city was captured on July 15, with Godfrey entering it through the Jewish quarter, where inhabitants defended themselves alongside their Muslim neighbors, finally seeking refuge in the synagogues, which were set on fire by the attackers. A terrible massacre ensued; the survivors were sold as slaves, some being later redeemed by Jewish communities in Italy. The Jewish community of Jerusalem came to an end and was not reconstituted for many years, but the Jewish centers in Galilee went unscathed. However, the great community of Ramleh dispersed, as did that of Jaffa , so that overall the Jewish community in the Holy Land was greatly diminished.

The Crusades Jewish Virtual Library

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

Do you think the little city of Jerusalem is all that exists of Palestine. It is a tiny part of Palestine and the vast majority of Jews lived outside of Jerusalem in places like Hebron, Bethlehem and Nazareth. So as I said in the main the Jews were unmolested until the arab muslims showed up in 635 C.E. and forced them at the point of a sword to convert, they even brag about doing so in the Koran and hadiths.

@Phoenall "Care to explain then why it was that the term Palestinian was derogatory and an insult and any arab muslim would kill you if you called them a Palestinian. The term was reserved for any Jew living in the area up until Arafat stole in in 1960 and used it to define the arab muslims and give their cause credibility"

Can you cite a source for this statement?

Before 1920 only Jews were called Palestinians Read Joan Peter s book From Time Immemorial Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

OMG! You're citing Joan Peters?! That explains a lot.

As for Daniel Pipes...I won't go there, but here's a comment made by Mr Pipes about Peters' book, "From Time Immemorial quotes carelessly, uses statistics sloppily, and ignores inconvenient facts. Much of the book is irrelevant to Miss Peters’s central thesis. The author’s linguistic and scholarly abilities are open to question. Excessive use of quotation marks, eccentric footnotes, and a polemical, somewhat hysterical undertone mar the book. In short, From Time Immemorial stands out as an appallingly crafted book."

 

[Challenger]

@Phoenall "Care to explain then why it was that the term Palestinian was derogatory and an insult and any arab muslim would kill you if you called them a Palestinian. The term was reserved for any Jew living in the area up until Arafat stole in in 1960 and used it to define the arab muslims and give their cause credibility"

Can you cite a source for this statement?

You need to start reading some history books instead of getting your info from the Islamic terrorist supporters on USMB.
Israeli Jews were called "Palestinian" and so-called Palestinians were properly called "Arab" until Ararafart pulled a switcheroo. Much like faggots calling themselves "gay." Get with the program, Toodles.

So true. Among the indigenous Palestinians were Jews & not a single theiving Muslim Palestinian yet in existence.

Cognitive dissonance at its best.

Sometimes it is good to repeat facts from source material to prove how ridiculous (and liars) the Israel Firsters are:

"AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. Jewish agricultural colonies were founded."- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

How many times have you been told that this is a false report by ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS

I'd hardly call Herbert Samuel an "ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATER"

 

[Rehmani]

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land in the form of Zionist but again you can not beat THE NUMBERS AND CHANGE THE FACTS, as you accept your self that Palestine was an undefined territory under Ottoman Empire( but Israel was not define even in history), that is how Empire run before industrial revolution, but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.
Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine(according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts. Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab

You are saying what ever suite to you, and giving long explanation to justify the Jews invasion in The Holly Land in the form of Zionist but again you can not beat THE NUMBERS AND CHANGE THE FACTS, as you accept your self that Palestine was an undefined territory under Ottoman Empire( but Israel was not define even in history), that is how Empire run before industrial revolution, but it is up to people of Palestine who live in the territory longer than any one else and sustain, how they want to be name their country, neither master nor jews.
Its a jews mentality to divide the region and the people in small parts and groups, so Jews can establish their monopoly or authority. Exactly what Jews did in Palestine(according to you undefined territory and according to history Israel never exist) divide the region and people in small territories and groups, like Jordan,Lebanon,occupied Palestine and invader Israel.

I will advise to Jews please be real, you can not beat the numbers and change the facts. Please free yourselves from your master or elders, who are guiding you in wrong direction or using you as a slave and sacrificing you when they wanted as they did in Germany, you can not blame to only Hitler, as you know that you can not clap with one hand. Please Jews be real either MASAYA IS NOT COMING, 3000 YEARS ALREADY PASSED OR JEWS SKIP TWO MASAYA JESUS PBUH AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, please complete the line of Prophets and be normal human being, no race can be especial race, unless especial race sh....t smell perfume or some thing stand the race out of mankind. Please give up the silly idea and help the world moving forward and inviting them in the nation of Abraham PBUH, ONE NATION, ONE WORLD.
SOUND LIKE I AM YOUR ENEMY BUT GUIDING YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION PLEASE THINK, Thanks.

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

 

[Rehmani]

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

Okey dokey. So Mohammad received it and his wife wrote it out. (since he was illerate) Got it!

Mister, No, His(PBUH) companion wrote it and in Islam has tradition to memorize and recite daily or as much as some one can. For your knowledge Al-Quran can be recite or read by 7 methods without changing the pronunciation and meaning.
Please see some Muslim scholar around you for right knowledge.

There is a copy of the Koran from the 8C that is nothing like the Koran of today, care to explain why this is. And why every copy of the Koran was destroyed after mohameds death and new ones written.

You better travel to Muslim world or visit to some muslim or muslim scholar near you would help to clear your misunderstanding. As I said there are hypocrite around and possibilities are there.

 

[Rehmani]

Answer, : AL-Quran is not written by any one, AL-Quran is sent By Allah(God) and Received by Prophet Mohammad PBUH, like Bible(Ingeel) By Jesus PBUH and Tourat by Moses PBUH. AL-Quran is talking about a lot issues, you are only coating, what you attract as a common reader, but in my point of view AL-Quran is also saying that Jews and Christian are your brothers because they also own book of Allah.
But I will advise to you please see some Muslim scholar near around you to correct misunderstanding.

Okey dokey. So Mohammad received it and his wife wrote it out. (since he was illerate) Got it!

Mister, No, His(PBUH) companion wrote it and in Islam has tradition to memorize and recite daily or as much as some one can. For your knowledge Al-Quran can be recite or read by 7 methods without changing the pronunciation and meaning.
Please see some Muslim scholar around you for right knowledge.

Will you tell us how "Israel is stealing 'Palestinian' land" when among the indigenous Palestinians since antiquity were Jews & not a single Muslim around until after the 7th century AD? This claim sounds like they are saying Israel is stealing their own land.

Palestinians were almost all Christians that converted from the Roman Religions by 400 AD. After the Arab conquest of the mid 600s AD most, but not all, converted to Islam. Jews were a very tiny population. Same people different religions. The Europeans that settled in Palestine and stole the land from the Muslims and Christians were Europeans, not Palestinians or even Middle Easterners.

BULLSHIT

Jews are not special kind among the mankind and jews shits like every one does.
It is not "BULLSHIT" is it.

 

[Challenger]

Let's make it clearer for the morons. By 400 AD the state religion of the Roman Empire (the one led by Constantinople) was the one now called Orthodox Christian. Most people in the Empire converted to the Christian religion, including those living in Palestine. Now shut up morons.

But not the Jews that lived in the area who stayed as Jews. Up to the mid 7C the Jews were not molested by the romans or Christians. Come the muslims and everyone in Palestine was forced into converting to islam or being killed. This resulted in the genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews and Christians for 100 years until the muslims were the majority

Drivel.

Nope fact as written down by the Romans and Early Christians

Really which Romans and early Christians in particular? Don't bother. The fact is that after the Muslim conquests the local Byzantine nobility in Palestine were given the option to convert or leave. Most left and were replaced by the new Arab nobility who took over their vacant estates. The local population, however, remained in place and were allowed to practice their various religions in peace, but were taxed for the privilage. Over the centuries most of the native Palestinian Christian and Jewish populations converted to Islam, both to avoid the tax and to advance in the new Muslim society. The Muslim elites were by and large against widespread conversion as this ate into their tax revenues so the process took centuries. Salacious tales of "convert or die" and "Muslim massacres" came from Armenian monks and Byzantine exiles. Historians treat these writings as Christian propaganda pieces.

Interestingly there was no evidence of large scale Arab migration into Palestine after the conquest, those Arabian migrants that did show up were "encouraged" to move on to less prosperous and fertile areas in Mesopotamia and Syria. for good English language general histories of the period, I'd recommend:"The Great Arab Conquests: How The Spread Of Islam Changed The World We Live In" by Hugh Kennedy or "In The Shadow Of The Sword: The Battle for Global Empire and the End of the Ancient World" by Tom Holland.

 

[montelatici]

Let's make it clearer for the morons. By 400 AD the state religion of the Roman Empire (the one led by Constantinople) was the one now called Orthodox Christian. Most people in the Empire converted to the Christian religion, including those living in Palestine. Now shut up morons.

But not the Jews that lived in the area who stayed as Jews. Up to the mid 7C the Jews were not molested by the romans or Christians. Come the muslims and everyone in Palestine was forced into converting to islam or being killed. This resulted in the genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews and Christians for 100 years until the muslims were the majority

What a clown you are. You really should stop posting bullshit. You are making a fool of yourself. You will write just about any bullshit until someone like me, that knows far more than you, posts the facts with links.

The Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders:

"Meanwhile, the crusaders had reached Jerusalem (June 7, 1099), and the siege had begun. The city was captured on July 15, with Godfrey entering it through the Jewish quarter, where inhabitants defended themselves alongside their Muslim neighbors, finally seeking refuge in the synagogues, which were set on fire by the attackers. A terrible massacre ensued; the survivors were sold as slaves, some being later redeemed by Jewish communities in Italy. The Jewish community of Jerusalem came to an end and was not reconstituted for many years, but the Jewish centers in Galilee went unscathed. However, the great community of Ramleh dispersed, as did that of Jaffa , so that overall the Jewish community in the Holy Land was greatly diminished.

The Crusades Jewish Virtual Library

Read your post again as it states that most of the Jews in Palestine went unmolested, it was the Jews in Jerusalem that faced the genocides

Where do you think Jerusalem was in? Sheesh.

Outstanding question. Bless you for your very fine mind in asking it so all can see the truth. Jerusalem was in JUDEA.

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/nt_israel-flat.jpg

Jerusalem was the capital of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and in Palestine, not Judea. Judea did not exist at the time of the siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders. You people are thick.

 

[Hossfly]

When did arab muslims last physically own Palestine under Customary International law. And at the time of WW1 who under Customary International law owned the land and who did they pass ownership too in 1919 under Customary International law it being the last time that land changed hands as spoils of war. The new owners then passed the land to mandates under the control of Britain, France and Russia and allocated parcels of land to arab muslims namely Iran, Iraq, Syria and Trans Jordan. This left the area now called Palestine as the NEW NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The UN should never have partitioned the land but stuck to the mandate rules and gave the Jews the whole of Palestine and informed the arab muslims that they could move to the land that had been given to them under the mandate, or stay and become full citizens of Israel.

It is the muslims that consider themselves the masters in numbers but are far too disorganised to make them count

Office Of The Historian / US Department Of State
MILESTONES: 1945–1952
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region.

(MANDATE RULER NEVER WANTED JEWISH STATE OR JEWISH UNLIMITED MIGRATION / U.N.O. or USA or JEWS BREACH THE RULER MANDATE AS SUIT TO THEM / ISRAEL IS ILLEGAL.added by me).
The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
But I agree with you that Muslims are still dis-organised.

The British by rights had no say in the matter and it was their inherent ANTI SEMITISM and JEW HATRED that led to the problems we face today. The LoN should have relieved Britain of its mandate and given it to a stronger nation to manage.

Nonsense, You people will never understand, always making stupid argument and keep changing your own point of view, please be real and free your self from your master who are using you.

Try again as the evidence shows that Britain had no power in Palestine other than to assist the various groups to gain independence. I have never changed this fact once, as the ruling power was the LoN who set out the rules of the mandates.

When did arab muslims last physically own Palestine under Customary International law. And at the time of WW1 who under Customary International law owned the land and who did they pass ownership too in 1919 under Customary International law it being the last time that land changed hands as spoils of war. The new owners then passed the land to mandates under the control of Britain, France and Russia and allocated parcels of land to arab muslims namely Iran, Iraq, Syria and Trans Jordan. This left the area now called Palestine as the NEW NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The UN should never have partitioned the land but stuck to the mandate rules and gave the Jews the whole of Palestine and informed the arab muslims that they could move to the land that had been given to them under the mandate, or stay and become full citizens of Israel.

It is the muslims that consider themselves the masters in numbers but are far too disorganised to make them count

Office Of The Historian / US Department Of State
MILESTONES: 1945–1952
Creation of Israel, 1948
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Eliahu Elath presenting ark to President Truman

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region.

(MANDATE RULER NEVER WANTED JEWISH STATE OR JEWISH UNLIMITED MIGRATION / U.N.O. or USA or JEWS BREACH THE RULER MANDATE AS SUIT TO THEM / ISRAEL IS ILLEGAL.added by me).
The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.
But I agree with you that Muslims are still dis-organised.

The British by rights had no say in the matter and it was their inherent ANTI SEMITISM and JEW HATRED that led to the problems we face today. The LoN should have relieved Britain of its mandate and given it to a stronger nation to manage.

Nonsense, You people will never understand, always making stupid argument and keep changing your own point of view, please be real and free your self from your master who are using you.

Try again as the evidence shows that Britain had no power in Palestine other than to assist the various groups to gain independence. I have never changed this fact once, as the ruling power was the LoN who set out the rules of the mandates.

It is the Israelis supporter, who bring the Allied Power and their ruler mandate in the issue not me. i just bring the reference to satisfy you guys, you people should agree among yourselves first.
You can not change fact and beat the number, please rehabilitate your self make free from slave.
No masaya is coming and jews are not special kind, be normal good for every one.

If that is your argument then you're daft.

 

[MJB12741]

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Hi Hoss........You could say the same thing for the Zionist Mantra.......trust you are well Hoss..steve

What Zionist mantra, and a link to a non partisan source as evidence ?

Zionist are jews.

Right on. Especially John Hagee & his over 50 million CUFI members. Pass it on. Heh Heh!

 

[MJB12741]

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Hi Hoss........You could say the same thing for the Zionist Mantra.......trust you are well Hoss..steve

What Zionist mantra, and a link to a non partisan source as evidence ?

Zionist are jews.

Right on. Especially John Hagee & his over 50 million CUFI members. Pass it on. Heh Heh!

 

[MJB12741]

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Hi Hoss........You could say the same thing for the Zionist Mantra.......trust you are well Hoss..steve

What Zionist mantra, and a link to a non partisan source as evidence ?

Zionist are jews.

 

[MJB12741]

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Hi Hoss........You could say the same thing for the Zionist Mantra.......trust you are well Hoss..steve

What Zionist mantra, and a link to a non partisan source as evidence ?

Zionist are jews.

"Zionists are Jews." Right on. Especially John Hagee & his over 50 million CUFI members. Pass it on. Heh Heh!

 

[Phoenall]

remember one little fact that arab muslim Palestinians did not exist before 635 C.E. but Jewish Palestinians existed for 3,000 years before this. So who has lived on the land the longest the upstart ISLAMONAZI's or the Jews ?

You can not change the facts and figures on ground, be real good for you and for the world. No Masaya is coming 3000 years already passed and off course Jews are not prime kind, please change yourselves and follow the line of prophet Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH, thanks.

Question, Ahab: Who wrote the Quran and what does it say about killing Jews and non-believers?

Hi Hoss........You could say the same thing for the Zionist Mantra.......trust you are well Hoss..steve

What Zionist mantra, and a link to a non partisan source as evidence ?

Zionist are jews.

I am not a Jew but I am a Zionist. Mohamed was not a Jew but he was originally a Zionist. Jesus was a Jew and he was a Zionist. Hitler was not a Jew but he was a Zionist.

 

[Phoenall]

@Phoenall "Care to explain then why it was that the term Palestinian was derogatory and an insult and any arab muslim would kill you if you called them a Palestinian. The term was reserved for any Jew living in the area up until Arafat stole in in 1960 and used it to define the arab muslims and give their cause credibility"

Can you cite a source for this statement?

You need to start reading some history books instead of getting your info from the Islamic terrorist supporters on USMB.
Israeli Jews were called "Palestinian" and so-called Palestinians were properly called "Arab" until Ararafart pulled a switcheroo. Much like faggots calling themselves "gay." Get with the program, Toodles.

So true. Among the indigenous Palestinians were Jews & not a single theiving Muslim Palestinian yet in existence.

Cognitive dissonance at its best.

Sometimes it is good to repeat facts from source material to prove how ridiculous (and liars) the Israel Firsters are:

"AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. Jewish agricultural colonies were founded."- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

How many times have you been told that this is a false report by ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATERS

I'd hardly call Herbert Samuel an "ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATER"

His team that did the leg work were, all ne did was to collate their findings