Who is Obama?

Who is Obama?

The worst president ever in the history of the United States.

Thankfully 95% of Historians will disagree with you. By the time his two terms are up, Obama will be considered one of the top 10 Presidents


It must be comforting to you to have such a healthy fantasy life as compensation for your lack of a grasp of reality.

Many factors are already in Obama's favor..

1. His is a Historic Presidency. Yes, Being the first Black to become President is Historic
2. He follows a completely inept President (see Lincoln, FDR, Reagan)
3. He took over two wars
4. He took over the worst economy in 70 years
5. He passed an Historic Healthcare Bill

This is only 18 months into his term. The economy will get better. Our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan will end. Obama will get credit.
 
What is it about a president's faith that is so all-consumingly vital to Conservatives and indifference to Liberals?
Because our Constitution is based on the belief that God gave us our inalienable rights....not the State

Do Conservatives desire a theocracy on the lines of Iran?
Of couse not

Does fundamentalist religion and fundamentalist politics hold the same appeal in the fundamentalist mind?

I guess so. the less you have to know, the better. If rules of faith and political philosophy stay basic and without nuance and sophistication, those rules must appeal to minds cut from the same bolt of cloth.

Yer an idjit. Nuance this: socialism/communism/theism are all unconstitutional and anti-American

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LOL

Are you talking about those inalienable rights "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"??

Why do right wingers have so much trouble distinguishing the Declaration of Independence from the Constitution?
 
What is it about a president's faith that is so all-consumingly vital to Conservatives and indifference to Liberals?
Because our Constitution is based on the belief that God gave us our inalienable rights....not the State

Do Conservatives desire a theocracy on the lines of Iran?
Of couse not

Does fundamentalist religion and fundamentalist politics hold the same appeal in the fundamentalist mind?

I guess so. the less you have to know, the better. If rules of faith and political philosophy stay basic and without nuance and sophistication, those rules must appeal to minds cut from the same bolt of cloth.

Yer an idjit. Nuance this: socialism/communism/theism are all unconstitutional and anti-American

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Q.E.D.ladies and gentlemen! the constitution does not use the phrase "Inalienable Rights". the Declaration on Independence does.

And that sophisticated, nuanced response proclaiming me an "idjit" is just the cherry on the top of a perfect example of what I asked.
 
Obama dropped his church like a hot potato because it was too revealing to the general public as to who he really is...

Except you said Obama wasn't a real Christian because he doesn't go to church on Christmas. Is that suddenly a prerequisite to be a Christian? Here I thought Christianity was suppose to be about Jesus, silly me.

so what gives you the idea that he actually is a Christian?

or are you just another one of those gullible believers?
 
LOL

Are you talking about those inalienable rights "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"??

Why do right wingers have so much trouble distinguishing the Declaration of Independence from the Constitution?

When did John Boehner join USMB? :lol:
 
so what gives you the idea that he actually is a Christian?

or are you just another one of those gullible believers?

Well, you talk about how he was at Wright's church for twenty years, you do realize that was a Christian church, right? There's that for starters.
 
What is it about a president's faith that is so all-consumingly vital to Conservatives and indifference to Liberals?
Because our Constitution is based on the belief that God gave us our inalienable rights....not the State

Do Conservatives desire a theocracy on the lines of Iran?
Of couse not

Does fundamentalist religion and fundamentalist politics hold the same appeal in the fundamentalist mind?

I guess so. the less you have to know, the better. If rules of faith and political philosophy stay basic and without nuance and sophistication, those rules must appeal to minds cut from the same bolt of cloth.

Yer an idjit. Nuance this: socialism/communism/theism are all unconstitutional and anti-American

.
Q.E.D.ladies and gentlemen! the constitution does not use the phrase "Inalienable Rights". the Declaration on Independence does.

And that sophisticated, nuanced response proclaiming me an "idjit" is just the cherry on the top of a perfect example of what I asked.

get real, nitpicker

how about a real response with some substance showing what you really believe...?
 
Thankfully 95% of Historians will disagree with you. By the time his two terms are up, Obama will be considered one of the top 10 Presidents


It must be comforting to you to have such a healthy fantasy life as compensation for your lack of a grasp of reality.

Many factors are already in Obama's favor..

1. His is a Historic Presidency. Yes, Being the first Black to become President is Historic
2. He follows a completely inept President (see Lincoln, FDR, Reagan)
3. He took over two wars
4. He took over the worst economy in 70 years
5. He passed an Historic Healthcare Bill

This is only 18 months into his term. The economy will get better. Our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan will end. Obama will get credit.


Yes. Only 18 months into his One Term, he destroyed the recovery from the recession with a cure that was far worse than the original downturn.
 
I personally don't think Obama is very religious at all. He would rather shoot hoops than go to Church (who wouldn't?)

As a black politician in a black district, you connect to your community through a black church. That is where issues are discussed, that is where contacts are made. I believe he attended because that is where Michelle attended.

I agree. Both he and Michelle skipped church on Christmas (they can't even manage going on Christmas! not to mention the rest of the year) and they went to the gym instead....

which is why I think Obama's claim to be a Christian is quite flimsy...and strictly utilitarian in nature...

I think Obama is much like Nixon, Reagan, Daddy Bush and Clinton. He does not have deep personal faith but uses the Church for photo ops.

Nixon and Reagan used to pull out Billy Graham for photo ops to prove they were good Christians
 
so what gives you the idea that he actually is a Christian?

or are you just another one of those gullible believers?

Well, you talk about how he was at Wright's church for twenty years, you do realize that was a Christian church, right? There's that for starters.

Of course....but for starters.....did you know that there are all kinds and variations of "christian churches" out there...?

I'd say that most Christian churches out there do NOT preach black liberation theology nor does their pastor damn America in the pulpit...
 
so what gives you the idea that he actually is a Christian?

or are you just another one of those gullible believers?

Well, you talk about how he was at Wright's church for twenty years, you do realize that was a Christian church, right? There's that for starters.


Let's all remember how Christian this church really is...


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo]YouTube - GOD DAMN AMERICA Rev Jeremiah Wright, Farrakhan & Obama[/ame]​
 
History has taught us the lessons of failed ideologies and philosophies. What is the caliber of this man, then, who arrogantly dismisses the wisdom of ages and the Founders’ natural rights and rule of law as precepts of American governance — and why?
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The current kerfuffle (amongst so very many) being bandied about is whether Obama is an Islamist or Christian. It is my contention that he is neither, at least not in the conventional sense. He may have been born into the Muslim faith but his spiritual awakening occurred under the 20-year quasi-Christian tutelage of Jeremiah Wright and others of like mind. Yet, Wright’s principal message bears little in common with true Christianity, for Wright extols what are termed Collective Salvation and Social Justice.

By definition, the belief in Christ as Savior is an individual determinant. There is no "collective salvation" in the Christian faith. Nor does "social justice" stem from an individual's acceptance of Christ. Rather, these two terms are used by some who have perverted Christian Gospel to justify the societal redistribution of wealth and power.

Social Gospel — this is as close to a true faith as Obama will ever attain, and it was channeled through him by Jeremiah Wright and his associates. The social gospel uses "group morality," loosely-based biblical precepts to usurp the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This group morality or common good results in what Obama has often referred to as a collective salvation.

Collective salvation becomes, then, a substitute for individual repentance and faith in the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Collective salvation deceives many into thinking that they can receive salvation collectively just by their perceived good deeds rather than turning to Christ’s sacrifice as the only way to make peace with God for their sins.

Collectivism and payback

This is not Christianity, nor is it Islam. It is a sacrifice of individual rights to special-interest wishes cloaked in the guise of faith. At its root is race, especially as expounded by Reverend Wright’s black liberation theology. When Obama’s 20-year immersion into the perversion that is liberation theology is coupled with the anarchic teachings of mentors such as William Avery, Saul Alinsky, and many others, the Obama regime and its craftily-concocted agenda are more clearly understood.

If one thinks back on all of the issues that have surfaced in Obama’s brief "post-racial" tenure, a significant portion involve direct or indirect factors based upon race. This is in line with Obama’s beliefs and his resulting tyranny by the minority of the majority. The issues of today and how they are approached by this man are demonstrative.

In part because of his vagabond childhood as well as his narrowly-focused spiritual mentoring, Obama does not truly understand Americans and is only familiar with the rudiments of deeply-held American traditions. He fails to grasp what 9/11 means to Americans. He has no qualms in subverting the constitutional rule of law to obtain and hold political power and redistribute the nation’s wealth to the undeserving. Obama has proven himself to support foreign interests over national concerns — he is a stranger to the American way.

To the Obama regime, this is payback time for America; This is the time of Social Justice and Collective Salvation. This is what he was taught and this is who he is.
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B2 Journal | Obama’s collective baggages
Much of Christian ideology is based on the profession of faith in Jesus Christ. If some says they are a Christian. They are a Christian. But what the hell different does it make it he is Christian, Jew, Muslim, or whatever?

You're right.....one's religion does not really matter.....unless it is anti-American and one's beliefs and actions are anti-American in the political sphere...

Collective salvation is anti-American....and Obama supports that...
 
Q.E.D.ladies and gentlemen! the constitution does not use the phrase "Inalienable Rights". the Declaration on Independence does.

And that sophisticated, nuanced response proclaiming me an "idjit" is just the cherry on the top of a perfect example of what I asked.

get real, nitpicker

how about a real response with some substance showing what you really believe...?
What I really believe is simple minds are attracted to simple concepts. I believe that the faith a president holds is a matter of supreme indifference. I did not vote for a pastor in chief and religion has no part to play in American politics.

I believe that fundamentalism is a curse in all civilizations. Muslim fundamentalists have hijacked the faith in the eyes of most Americans. Fundamentalist Jews have made life for Palestinians so miserable, apt comparisons to Jewish repression under Nazism can be honestly made. And Christian fundamentalists want nothing more than to impose their peculiar dogma on every American, if we could only see what is "good for us".

Thats' substantially what I believe.
 
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Obama is an Oik.

Scruton was writing in 2004, and his focus was on Britain and Europe, not America. But his warning about the danger of oikophobes--whom he amusingly dubs "oiks"--is very pertinent on this side of the Atlantic today, and it illuminates how what are sometimes dismissed as mere matters of "culture" tie in with economic and social policy:

"The oik repudiates national loyalties and defines his goals and ideals against the nation, promoting transnational institutions over national governments, accepting and endorsing laws that are imposed on us from on high by the EU or the UN, though without troubling to consider Terence's question, and defining his political vision in terms of universal values that have been purified of all reference to the particular attachments of a real historical community.

The oik is, in his own eyes, a defender of enlightened universalism against local chauvinism. And it is the rise of the oik that has led to the growing crisis of legitimacy in the nation states of Europe. For we are seeing a massive expansion of the legislative burden on the people of Europe, and a relentless assault on the only loyalties that would enable them voluntarily to bear it. The explosive effect of this has already been felt in Holland and France. It will be felt soon everywhere, and the result may not be what the oiks expect."

There is one important difference between the American oik and his European counterpart. American patriotism is not a blood-and-soil nationalism but an allegiance to a country based in an idea of enlightened universalism. Thus our oiks masquerade as--and may even believe themselves to be--superpatriots, more loyal to American principles than the vast majority of Americans, whom they denounce as "un-American" for feeling an attachment to their actual country as opposed to a collection of abstractions.

Yet the oiks' vision of themselves as an intellectual aristocracy violates the first American principle ever articulated: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal . . ."

This cannot be reconciled with the elitist notion that most men are economically insecure bitter clinging intolerant bigots who need to be governed by an educated elite. Marxism Lite is not only false; it is, according to the American creed, self-evidently false. That is why the liberal elite finds Americans revolting.


Oikophobia - WSJ.com
 
I personally don't think Obama is very religious at all. He would rather shoot hoops than go to Church (who wouldn't?)

As a black politician in a black district, you connect to your community through a black church. That is where issues are discussed, that is where contacts are made. I believe he attended because that is where Michelle attended.

I agree. Both he and Michelle skipped church on Christmas (they can't even manage going on Christmas! not to mention the rest of the year) and they went to the gym instead....

which is why I think Obama's claim to be a Christian is quite flimsy...and strictly utilitarian in nature...

I think Obama is much like Nixon, Reagan, Daddy Bush and Clinton. He does not have deep personal faith but uses the Church for photo ops.

Nixon and Reagan used to pull out Billy Graham for photo ops to prove they were good Christians

Reverend Wright is a far cry from Billy Graham...how come Obama hasn't done photo ops with him...?
 
I agree. Both he and Michelle skipped church on Christmas (they can't even manage going on Christmas! not to mention the rest of the year) and they went to the gym instead....

which is why I think Obama's claim to be a Christian is quite flimsy...and strictly utilitarian in nature...

I think Obama is much like Nixon, Reagan, Daddy Bush and Clinton. He does not have deep personal faith but uses the Church for photo ops.

Nixon and Reagan used to pull out Billy Graham for photo ops to prove they were good Christians

Reverend Wright is a far cry from Billy Graham...how come Obama hasn't done photo ops with him...?
Actually, President Obama met with the 91 year old Graham on April 25, 2010.
 
Q.E.D.ladies and gentlemen! the constitution does not use the phrase "Inalienable Rights". the Declaration on Independence does.

And that sophisticated, nuanced response proclaiming me an "idjit" is just the cherry on the top of a perfect example of what I asked.

get real, nitpicker

how about a real response with some substance showing what you really believe...?
What I really believe is simple minds are attracted to simple concepts. I believe that the faith a president holds is a matter of supreme indifference. I did not vote for a pastor in chief and religion has no part to play in American politics.

I believe that fundamentalism is a curse in all civilizations. Muslim fundamentalists have hijacked the faith in the eyes of most Americans. Fundamentalist Jews have made life for Palestinians so miserable, apt comparisons to Jewish repression under Nazism can be honestly made. And Christian fundamentalists want nothing more than to impose their peculiar dogma on every American, if we could only see what is "good for us".

Thats' substantially what I believe.

KISS.

However, what a leader of our country believes is of importance to the people of this country.....ESPECIALLY when it appears that those beliefs are affecting political philosophy AND political actions....
 
It must be comforting to you to have such a healthy fantasy life as compensation for your lack of a grasp of reality.

Many factors are already in Obama's favor..

1. His is a Historic Presidency. Yes, Being the first Black to become President is Historic
2. He follows a completely inept President (see Lincoln, FDR, Reagan)
3. He took over two wars
4. He took over the worst economy in 70 years
5. He passed an Historic Healthcare Bill

This is only 18 months into his term. The economy will get better. Our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan will end. Obama will get credit.


Yes. Only 18 months into his One Term, he destroyed the recovery from the recession with a cure that was far worse than the original downturn.

Your problem Bod is that Historians will look at things objectively and 95% do not consider Fox News to be a legitimate source

The economy was is in a panic when Obama took office. The Dow had dropped 6000 points, GDP was negative in five of the last six quarters. The Banks were on the verge of collapse and so were GM and Chrysler.

Obama took positive actions to reverse the collapse and pull us out of recession. He will get credit for that
 
I think Obama is much like Nixon, Reagan, Daddy Bush and Clinton. He does not have deep personal faith but uses the Church for photo ops.

Nixon and Reagan used to pull out Billy Graham for photo ops to prove they were good Christians

Reverend Wright is a far cry from Billy Graham...how come Obama hasn't done photo ops with him...?
Actually, President Obama met with the 91 year old Graham on April 25, 2010.

And this was featured all over the media? I think not. I couldn't find it and your link does not work.
 
Many factors are already in Obama's favor..

1. His is a Historic Presidency. Yes, Being the first Black to become President is Historic
2. He follows a completely inept President (see Lincoln, FDR, Reagan)
3. He took over two wars
4. He took over the worst economy in 70 years
5. He passed an Historic Healthcare Bill

This is only 18 months into his term. The economy will get better. Our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan will end. Obama will get credit.


Yes. Only 18 months into his One Term, he destroyed the recovery from the recession with a cure that was far worse than the original downturn.

Your problem Bod is that Historians will look at things objectively and 95% do not consider Fox News to be a legitimate source

The economy was is in a panic when Obama took office. The Dow had dropped 6000 points, GDP was negative in five of the last six quarters. The Banks were on the verge of collapse and so were GM and Chrysler.

Obama took positive actions to reverse the collapse and pull us out of recession. He will get credit for that


The Federal Reserve, The Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the CBO are all divisions of Fox News?

Who knew? Thanks for clearing that up.

The banks were already handled via the Bush TARP program - and all but Citibank have repaid their loans.

It would have been better for both GM and Chrysler to go through orderly bankruptcy proceedings than for the government to bully legitimate bondholders into giving up their rightful claim in favor of bloated unions. All Obama did was to defer their eventual collapse.

The true test of Obamanomics is GDP growth (Q2 came in at 1.6% - Q3 is not forecasted to be much better - in prior recoveries, growth exceeded 6% at this point) and unemployment (which would be over 10% if 1.1M additional people had not given up looking for jobs since April) - on both of these, Obamanomics is an Epic Fail.
 
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