Who is Obama?

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History has taught us the lessons of failed ideologies and philosophies. What is the caliber of this man, then, who arrogantly dismisses the wisdom of ages and the Founders’ natural rights and rule of law as precepts of American governance — and why?
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The current kerfuffle (amongst so very many) being bandied about is whether Obama is an Islamist or Christian. It is my contention that he is neither, at least not in the conventional sense. He may have been born into the Muslim faith but his spiritual awakening occurred under the 20-year quasi-Christian tutelage of Jeremiah Wright and others of like mind. Yet, Wright’s principal message bears little in common with true Christianity, for Wright extols what are termed Collective Salvation and Social Justice.

By definition, the belief in Christ as Savior is an individual determinant. There is no "collective salvation" in the Christian faith. Nor does "social justice" stem from an individual's acceptance of Christ. Rather, these two terms are used by some who have perverted Christian Gospel to justify the societal redistribution of wealth and power.

Social Gospel — this is as close to a true faith as Obama will ever attain, and it was channeled through him by Jeremiah Wright and his associates. The social gospel uses "group morality," loosely-based biblical precepts to usurp the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This group morality or common good results in what Obama has often referred to as a collective salvation.

Collective salvation becomes, then, a substitute for individual repentance and faith in the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Collective salvation deceives many into thinking that they can receive salvation collectively just by their perceived good deeds rather than turning to Christ’s sacrifice as the only way to make peace with God for their sins.

Collectivism and payback

This is not Christianity, nor is it Islam. It is a sacrifice of individual rights to special-interest wishes cloaked in the guise of faith. At its root is race, especially as expounded by Reverend Wright’s black liberation theology. When Obama’s 20-year immersion into the perversion that is liberation theology is coupled with the anarchic teachings of mentors such as William Avery, Saul Alinsky, and many others, the Obama regime and its craftily-concocted agenda are more clearly understood.

If one thinks back on all of the issues that have surfaced in Obama’s brief "post-racial" tenure, a significant portion involve direct or indirect factors based upon race. This is in line with Obama’s beliefs and his resulting tyranny by the minority of the majority. The issues of today and how they are approached by this man are demonstrative.

In part because of his vagabond childhood as well as his narrowly-focused spiritual mentoring, Obama does not truly understand Americans and is only familiar with the rudiments of deeply-held American traditions. He fails to grasp what 9/11 means to Americans. He has no qualms in subverting the constitutional rule of law to obtain and hold political power and redistribute the nation’s wealth to the undeserving. Obama has proven himself to support foreign interests over national concerns — he is a stranger to the American way.

To the Obama regime, this is payback time for America; This is the time of Social Justice and Collective Salvation. This is what he was taught and this is who he is.
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B2 Journal | Obama’s collective baggages

http://www.b2journal.com/?p=5312
 
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I personally don't think Obama is very religious at all. He would rather shoot hoops than go to Church (who wouldn't?)

As a black politician in a black district, you connect to your community through a black church. That is where issues are discussed, that is where contacts are made. I believe he attended because that is where Michelle attended.
 
In part because of his vagabond childhood as well as his narrowly-focused spiritual mentoring, Obama does not truly understand Americans and is only familiar with the rudiments of deeply-held American traditions. He fails to grasp what 9/11 means to Americans. He has no qualms in subverting the constitutional rule of law to obtain and hold political power and redistribute the nation’s wealth to the undeserving. Obama has proven himself to support foreign interests over national concerns — he is a stranger to the American way.

Total nonsense. You watch too much Glenn Beck
 
I personally don't think Obama is very religious at all. He would rather shoot hoops than go to Church (who wouldn't?)

As a black politician in a black district, you connect to your community through a black church. That is where issues are discussed, that is where contacts are made. I believe he attended because that is where Michelle attended.

I agree. Both he and Michelle skipped church on Christmas (they can't even manage going on Christmas! not to mention the rest of the year) and they went to the gym instead....

which is why I think Obama's claim to be a Christian is quite flimsy...and strictly utilitarian in nature...
 
I agree. Both he and Michelle skipped church on Christmas (they can't even manage going on Christmas! not to mention the rest of the year) and they went to the gym instead....

which is why I think Obama's claim to be a Christian is quite flimsy...and strictly utilitarian in nature...

If not going to church on Christmas no longer makes you a Christian then do I have some news for you about the so called 1 billion members then.
 
In part because of his vagabond childhood as well as his narrowly-focused spiritual mentoring, Obama does not truly understand Americans and is only familiar with the rudiments of deeply-held American traditions. He fails to grasp what 9/11 means to Americans. He has no qualms in subverting the constitutional rule of law to obtain and hold political power and redistribute the nation’s wealth to the undeserving. Obama has proven himself to support foreign interests over national concerns — he is a stranger to the American way.

Total nonsense. You watch too much Glenn Beck

Maybe you should watch more Glenn Beck and learn something.

Obama's childhood was steeped in muslim ways.....sharia is anti-American

Obama's mentor was a bona-fide Communist....anti-American

Obama's church was steeped in black nationalism....anti-American

Obama's relatives and friends are socialist and communist....anti-American

Obama's actions are socialist and communist in nature.....anti-American

need more proof that Obama is a stranger to the American way?
 
Who is Obama?

The worst president ever in the history of the United States.
 
In part because of his vagabond childhood as well as his narrowly-focused spiritual mentoring, Obama does not truly understand Americans and is only familiar with the rudiments of deeply-held American traditions. He fails to grasp what 9/11 means to Americans. He has no qualms in subverting the constitutional rule of law to obtain and hold political power and redistribute the nation’s wealth to the undeserving. Obama has proven himself to support foreign interests over national concerns — he is a stranger to the American way.

Total nonsense. You watch too much Glenn Beck

Maybe you should watch more Glenn Beck and learn something.

Obama's childhood was steeped in muslim ways.....sharia is anti-American

Obama's mentor was a bona-fide Communist....anti-American

Obama's church was steeped in black nationalism....anti-American

Obama's relatives and friends are socialist and communist....anti-American

Obama's actions are socialist and communist in nature.....anti-American

need more proof that Obama is a stranger to the American way?

I was right.....you do watch too much Beck
 
I agree. Both he and Michelle skipped church on Christmas (they can't even manage going on Christmas! not to mention the rest of the year) and they went to the gym instead....

which is why I think Obama's claim to be a Christian is quite flimsy...and strictly utilitarian in nature...

If not going to church on Christmas no longer makes you a Christian then do I have some news for you about the so called 1 billion members then.

Obama dropped his church like a hot potato because it was too revealing to the general public as to who he really is...
 
Who is Obama?

The worst president ever in the history of the United States.

Thankfully 95% of Historians will disagree with you. By the time his two terms are up, Obama will be considered one of the top 10 Presidents
 
Total nonsense. You watch too much Glenn Beck

Maybe you should watch more Glenn Beck and learn something.

Obama's childhood was steeped in muslim ways.....sharia is anti-American

Obama's mentor was a bona-fide Communist....anti-American

Obama's church was steeped in black nationalism....anti-American

Obama's relatives and friends are socialist and communist....anti-American

Obama's actions are socialist and communist in nature.....anti-American

need more proof that Obama is a stranger to the American way?

I was right.....you do watch too much Beck

hell....i knew all that long BEFORE Obama got elected or Beck started ranting....i used to be relegated to the crazy threads for bringing up such uncomfortable facts....
 
What is it about a president's faith that is so all-consumingly vital to Conservatives and indifference to Liberals?

Do Conservatives desire a theocracy on the lines of Iran? Does fundamentalist religion and fundamentalist politics hold the same appeal in the fundamentalist mind?

I guess so. the less you have to know, the better. If rules of faith and political philosophy stay basic and without nuance and sophistication, those rules must appeal to minds cut from the same bolt of cloth.
 
Obama dropped his church like a hot potato because it was too revealing to the general public as to who he really is...

Except you said Obama wasn't a real Christian because he doesn't go to church on Christmas. Is that suddenly a prerequisite to be a Christian? Here I thought Christianity was suppose to be about Jesus, silly me.
 
Who is Obama?

The worst president ever in the history of the United States.

Thankfully 95% of Historians will disagree with you. By the time his two terms are up, Obama will be considered one of the top 10 Presidents


It must be comforting to you to have such a healthy fantasy life as compensation for your lack of a grasp of reality.
 
History has taught us the lessons of failed ideologies and philosophies. What is the caliber of this man, then, who arrogantly dismisses the wisdom of ages and the Founders’ natural rights and rule of law as precepts of American governance — and why?
...
The current kerfuffle (amongst so very many) being bandied about is whether Obama is an Islamist or Christian. It is my contention that he is neither, at least not in the conventional sense. He may have been born into the Muslim faith but his spiritual awakening occurred under the 20-year quasi-Christian tutelage of Jeremiah Wright and others of like mind. Yet, Wright’s principal message bears little in common with true Christianity, for Wright extols what are termed Collective Salvation and Social Justice.

By definition, the belief in Christ as Savior is an individual determinant. There is no "collective salvation" in the Christian faith. Nor does "social justice" stem from an individual's acceptance of Christ. Rather, these two terms are used by some who have perverted Christian Gospel to justify the societal redistribution of wealth and power.

Social Gospel — this is as close to a true faith as Obama will ever attain, and it was channeled through him by Jeremiah Wright and his associates. The social gospel uses "group morality," loosely-based biblical precepts to usurp the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This group morality or common good results in what Obama has often referred to as a collective salvation.

Collective salvation becomes, then, a substitute for individual repentance and faith in the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Collective salvation deceives many into thinking that they can receive salvation collectively just by their perceived good deeds rather than turning to Christ’s sacrifice as the only way to make peace with God for their sins.

Collectivism and payback

This is not Christianity, nor is it Islam. It is a sacrifice of individual rights to special-interest wishes cloaked in the guise of faith. At its root is race, especially as expounded by Reverend Wright’s black liberation theology. When Obama’s 20-year immersion into the perversion that is liberation theology is coupled with the anarchic teachings of mentors such as William Avery, Saul Alinsky, and many others, the Obama regime and its craftily-concocted agenda are more clearly understood.

If one thinks back on all of the issues that have surfaced in Obama’s brief "post-racial" tenure, a significant portion involve direct or indirect factors based upon race. This is in line with Obama’s beliefs and his resulting tyranny by the minority of the majority. The issues of today and how they are approached by this man are demonstrative.

In part because of his vagabond childhood as well as his narrowly-focused spiritual mentoring, Obama does not truly understand Americans and is only familiar with the rudiments of deeply-held American traditions. He fails to grasp what 9/11 means to Americans. He has no qualms in subverting the constitutional rule of law to obtain and hold political power and redistribute the nation’s wealth to the undeserving. Obama has proven himself to support foreign interests over national concerns — he is a stranger to the American way.

To the Obama regime, this is payback time for America; This is the time of Social Justice and Collective Salvation. This is what he was taught and this is who he is.
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B2 Journal | Obama’s collective baggages
Much of Christian ideology is based on the profession of faith in Jesus Christ. If some says they are a Christian. They are a Christian. But what the hell different does it make it he is Christian, Jew, Muslim, or whatever?
 
What is it about a president's faith that is so all-consumingly vital to Conservatives and indifference to Liberals?
Because our Constitution is based on the belief that God gave us our inalienable rights....not the State

Do Conservatives desire a theocracy on the lines of Iran?
Of couse not

Does fundamentalist religion and fundamentalist politics hold the same appeal in the fundamentalist mind?

I guess so. the less you have to know, the better. If rules of faith and political philosophy stay basic and without nuance and sophistication, those rules must appeal to minds cut from the same bolt of cloth.

Yer an idjit. Nuance this: socialism/communism/theism are all unconstitutional and anti-American

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