Who do you blame

[SwingVoter]

more than anyone, I blame Bush for starting this massive spending spree with Medicare Drug, unfunded wars, AIDS relief for Africa, etc,

then I blame Obama for being an incompetent Socialist who tries to pretend he's not who he really is, and in the process gets pushed around by Congressmen with an agenda - can't remember a President with such a complete lack of leadership skills

 

[CitizenPained]

I blame everyone. This is a democracy.

 

[CitizenPained]

AIDS relief for Africa

hahahahahahhahahah

Yeah, foreign aid has like nothing to do with our current spending issue.

 

[The Rabbi]

AIDS relief for Africa

hahahahahahhahahah

Yeah, foreign aid has like nothing to do with our current spending issue.

But it's Da Booosh. That's all that matters. Never mind that the deficit and debt were nothing like this under Bush. He'll blame him anyway.
And in other threads he'll complain Bush didnt do anything about AIDS in Africa and didnt care about black people. Bush hatred doesnt need to be rational. Indeed, it cannot be.

 

[Douger]

I blame the voters.
What to do about it ? Sell everything at peak and get the fuck out.
That movie is over.You don't even want to see the next one.

 

[CitizenPained]

I blame the voters.

Yup. It's everyone's problem (and the ones that didn't vote, those lazy bastards!).

 

[Cuyo]

So I am curiuos.... the government is about to drive this thing over a cliff..... who do you blame and what is your political affiliation, what do your plan to do about it......

My affiliation: Independent/Decline to state

Who I blame: Congressional Republicans

What I will do: Donate $1000 to Tom McClintock's competition

Libertarian.

Liberals.

Unbelievable. There is no awakening you people to reality is there. You are lieing if you say you are an independent and blame republicans. I don't hold them completely blameless but how you can not first blame the party (the dems) that doesn't know how to not spend is beyond rational comprehension . The party that ALWAYS says government needs more money and NEVER advocates reducing the size of government?

Seems that the modern definition of "Independent" is: I'm ashamed to say I'm a Republican.

Or Democrat, for that matter. "Independent" used to suggest you were somewhere in the middle. Now it seems to mean little more than "I am [one or the other] but they're pissing me off."

But I agree it's more Republicans than Democrats; especially around here.

 

[sparky]

Yeah I thought the country had some foundational shared beliefs and I am finding that is not true.... The one for me is that this country strives to provide an equal opportunity for all but doesn't guarentee equal results. Which means those who have succeeded have a greater responsibility to insure those in the next generation have a fair opportunity but they dont have the responsibility to provide equal results for their peers.

This country did have some foundational shared beliefs. When it was founded. Over 200 years have passed. We already had one civil war because of a split in those foundational beliefs. But there is absolutely nothing today to keep us united with foundational shared beliefs.

Can those who believe there is no truth and those believe there is truth that governs the world live peaceably forever? Can those who believe in the hand of Divine Providence and those who deny the existence of Providence meet hand and hand? Maybe for a while.

Take taxation without representation. That was a shared belief at one point. The theory behind it is that the peoples money shouldnt be confiscated and spent without their say in it. Yet I don't think that's a shared belief nowadays.

People used to find taxation as a necessary evil. Only to be done for the public good because taxes come from the labor of the people. Ben Franklin once stated that a governmenet that taxed 10% of a persons time and labor would be onerous. We have 1/3 of our time taxed by the government. And that's still not enough for people. Is it any wonder why people are suffering? Our politicians spend our money to glut themselves and to pay off their campaign supporters on the backs of the people. This was once seen as morally wrong and now people are saying its morally wrong to ease the burdens on the people.

That's hardly all the differences. We are trying to united different cultures now. We need a cultural reformation if we are going to see any real political reformation. People need to start being virtuous and moral if we are going to have a chance to save the Republic. And that takes people making individual choices to do what's right and not just whatever.

From Aesop's original quote to present time, the tune hasn't changed >(if i may respond via synopsized tunage)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKVO5xbqBUs&feature=player_detailpage]YouTube - ‪George Thorogood & The Destroyers - Let's Work Together‬‏[/ame]

 

[California Girl]

Actually, it has been over a century.

The progressive era pretty much started with the presidency of the original neocon: Teddy Roosevelt.

We never really heard much about a budget crisis until the Democrats took over the Congress and Presidency. Until then debt and deficit as a percentage of GDP were fairly in check. Since Obama took office spending has grown while the recession has made receipts fall. His policies made both of those worse.
Now the GOP is trying to claw back some semblence of discipline. And Obama can only offer cuts 10 and 12 years down the road and empty finger wagging.

It was only a matter of time before the Ponzi scam that is the Federal Reserve came to a head.

Boiking's chief problems are the he's pouring more gasoline into the Molotov cocktail, too ignorant to recognize it, and too arrogant to have anybody but ass-kissing yesbois surrounding him.

I think you're wrong. Obama knows exactly what he's doing.... and why. So does the party.... it's the fucking moron borg who march behind that remain clueless.

 

[sparky]

 

[Bern80]

So I am curiuos.... the government is about to drive this thing over a cliff..... who do you blame and what is your political affiliation, what do your plan to do about it......

My affiliation: Independent/Decline to state

Who I blame: Congressional Republicans

What I will do: Donate $1000 to Tom McClintock's competition

Libertarian.

Liberals.

Unbelievable. There is no awakening you people to reality is there. You are lieing if you say you are an independent and blame republicans. I don't hold them completely blameless but how you can not first blame the party (the dems) that doesn't know how to not spend is beyond rational comprehension . The party that ALWAYS says government needs more money and NEVER advocates reducing the size of government?

Seems that the modern definition of "Independent" is: I'm ashamed to say I'm a Republican.

Or embarassed to call himself a democrat in the case of sactown.

 

[Oddball]

Pffffffffft.

You're a Fabian socialist/progressive, who hasn't he nerve to admit it.

But thanks for stopping by to confirm to us all what poseurs that so-called "independents" are.

^This post brought to you by someone who, with no sense of irony whatsoever, claims to be an independent.

Have never ever made that claim.

But thanks for playing.

 

[8537]

Pffffffffft.

You're a Fabian socialist/progressive, who hasn't he nerve to admit it.

But thanks for stopping by to confirm to us all what poseurs that so-called "independents" are.

^This post brought to you by someone who, with no sense of irony whatsoever, claims to be an independent.

Have never ever made that claim.

But thanks for playing.

You've never claimed to be independent?

Really Tom?

 

[Steelplate]

We never really heard much about a budget crisis until the Democrats took over the Congress and Presidency. Until then debt and deficit as a percentage of GDP were fairly in check. Since Obama took office spending has grown while the recession has made receipts fall. His policies made both of those worse.
Now the GOP is trying to claw back some semblence of discipline. And Obama can only offer cuts 10 and 12 years down the road and empty finger wagging.

It was only a matter of time before the Ponzi scam that is the Federal Reserve came to a head.

Boiking's chief problems are the he's pouring more gasoline into the Molotov cocktail, too ignorant to recognize it, and too arrogant to have anybody but ass-kissing yesbois surrounding him.

I think you're wrong. Obama knows exactly what he's doing.... and why. So does the party.... it's the fucking moron borg who march behind that remain clueless.

I'll tell you what... if anything your side seems to be more borg-like than mine... but that's just my observation... it's all Blame Obama with you guys... no matter what the argument... the answer is the same. Military.... WE NEED IT! SS/Medicare...CAN IT!.... welfare... LAZY BUMS!

if anyone screams in unison... it's you folks.

Oh... BTW.

My affiliation: Registered Democrat

Who I blame: Wall Street, Conglomerates and their undue influence on our government's policies.

What I plan to do: keep on voting my conscience, keep on volunteering for the Red Cross and habitat for humanity, keep praying for enlightenment.

 

[editec]

I blame the leaders of both parties and the masters who pay them.

We all know this system is so bent out of shape that there's no repairing, it, right?

Nevertheless I probably, once again, will make some foray into the political process.

I'm not optomistic, but sitting back and doing nothing, like I've been doing for the last 5 years or so, is growing stale, too.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What's the difference between Independent and Libertarian?

The difference is that independents are independent and Libertarians are Libertarian. What do you mean, what is the difference? Libertarian is a political party with a set of beliefs. Independents are no political party and can lean in any political direction they want.

 

[Bern80]

It was only a matter of time before the Ponzi scam that is the Federal Reserve came to a head.

Boiking's chief problems are the he's pouring more gasoline into the Molotov cocktail, too ignorant to recognize it, and too arrogant to have anybody but ass-kissing yesbois surrounding him.

I think you're wrong. Obama knows exactly what he's doing.... and why. So does the party.... it's the fucking moron borg who march behind that remain clueless.

I'll tell you what... if anything your side seems to be more borg-like than mine... but that's just my observation... it's all Blame Obama with you guys... no matter what the argument... the answer is the same. Military.... WE NEED IT! SS/Medicare...CAN IT!.... welfare... LAZY BUMS!

if anyone screams in unison... it's you folks.

Oh... BTW.

My affiliation: Registered Democrat

Who I blame: Wall Street, Conglomerates and their undue influence on our government's policies.

What I plan to do: keep on voting my conscience, keep on volunteering for the Red Cross and habitat for humanity, keep praying for enlightenment.

Again, Your's is the party that doesn't know how to not spend. Yours is the party who's ideological philosophy that believes the purpose of government is to do ever more things for people (which costs money) and you think the right is the reason government is approaching financial crisis point?

 

[8537]

I think you're wrong. Obama knows exactly what he's doing.... and why. So does the party.... it's the fucking moron borg who march behind that remain clueless.

I'll tell you what... if anything your side seems to be more borg-like than mine... but that's just my observation... it's all Blame Obama with you guys... no matter what the argument... the answer is the same. Military.... WE NEED IT! SS/Medicare...CAN IT!.... welfare... LAZY BUMS!

if anyone screams in unison... it's you folks.

Oh... BTW.

My affiliation: Registered Democrat

Who I blame: Wall Street, Conglomerates and their undue influence on our government's policies.

What I plan to do: keep on voting my conscience, keep on volunteering for the Red Cross and habitat for humanity, keep praying for enlightenment.

Again, Your's is the party that doesn't know how to not spend. Yours is the party who's ideological philosophy that believes the purpose of government is to do ever more things for people (which costs money) and you think the right is the reason government is approaching financial crisis point?

Then why does your party spend like drunken sailors every time they are in charge? Why does your party pass trillion dollar welfare programs, urge wars in far off lands and increase subsidies - all the while refusing to create any mechanism to pay for these things? Why does your party refuse to consider cuts to the military even though the Sec. of Defense recommends them? Why does your party refuse to cut oil and ag subsidies?

 

[Robert]

so i am curiuos.... The government is about to drive this thing over a cliff..... Who do you blame and what is your political affiliation, what do your plan to do about it......

My affiliation: Independent/decline to state

who i blame: Congressional republicans

what i will do: Donate $1000 to tom mcclintock's competition

we the people

 

[Momanohedhunter]

This is the culmination of twenty years of screwheads in dc. We're now at the precipice of the cliff.....and leaning forward.

It is the culmination of twenty years of straight ticket voting. America has the politicians we deserve for being so lazy, and buying there bull shit.