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    If the argument is valid that God can not exist because something or someone had to create him to begin with.... then who created the material that caused the big bang?

    Explain why that material could have just "existed" before everything with no requirement for anyone to explain where it came from?

    Either stuff could have always existed, including a God or Gods OR where the hell did everything come from? Doesn't matter if you believe in Gods or Science only, the question remains, if you are going to question how God came to be, why not question how the big bang came to be?
     
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    We don't know how the universe was created. There are apparently some interesting theories. God did it is one of those theories. :D
     
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    There is no valid argument disproving the existence of God, Gunny.

    Such an argument is impossible to validate.

    The non-existence of God argument would require one helluva long list. It would require a list of everything in existence, and from that list one would have to prove that God wasn't on it.

    The only logical argument one can make on this subject is that no evidence exists which supports the argument for the existence of God.
     
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    Could be the FSM for all we know..


    now, RGS, why don't you prove how different OUR logic is and make the same statement about YOUR origin theory. I mean, perhaps the FSM CREATED your god too, right? Can you admit that?
     
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    If you could explain how everything came into existance, you would BE a God.
     
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    and scientists can admit that the bang is only our best current theory.

    can christians say the same about THEIR theory?
     
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    Don't be silly, that would be blasphemy.
     
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    a concept foreign to science.
     
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    THe Christian belief is that nobody/nothing created God, he, Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always existed. Believing that someone created God is believing that God isn't really God, which is a whole different thing at odds with any belief in God in any theistic religion (Jewish, Muslim or Christian).

    It's one of the mysteries. Like...how can they be three separate entities, yet all God; how can God know every thought, every outcome and have a purpose for every earthly occurrence...and yet at the same time we have free will and are given the choice (and expected to try to make the right choice) to choose right, wrong, or indifferent....and how can Jesus be God's son if he's always been with God?
     
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    Christians believe God created the universe with a big bang....so they see the scientific proof for it pretty interesting.
     

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