Who Checks the "Fact Checkers?"

[hjmick]

Apparently, no one...

Media 'Fact Checkers' Always Seem To Favor Obama - Investors.com

Journalism: If media "fact checkers" are just impartial guardians of the truth, how come they got their own facts wrong about Paul Ryan's speech, and did so in a way that helped President Obama's re-election effort?

Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.

Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."

What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.

Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009...

...when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."

Media fact-checkers also complained about Ryan's charge that Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. Not true, they said. Medicare's growth is just being slowed.

But Obama achieves that slower growth by making real cuts in provider payments. And in any case, the media always and everywhere call a reduction in the rate of federal spending growth a "cut." So why suddenly charge Ryan with being misleading for using that same term...?

The rest of Ryan's alleged factual errors aren't errors at all; it's just that the media didn't like how he said it. But since when is it a fact-checker's job to decide how a politician should construct his arguments...?

The problem is that the mainstream press is now abusing the "fact check" label, using it to more aggressively push a liberal agenda without feeling the need to provide any balance whatsoever. And, as the reaction to the Ryan speech shows, they are now blatantly using it to provide air support for Obama.

Is it any wonder that soon after Ryan's speech ended, the Obama campaign rushed out an ad using the media's "fact check" stories as its source?

It would seem that "facts" are open to interpretation...

ACTUALLY, it seems that Pubs and their bought off by billionaire pundits lie nonstop. DUH. Fact checkers have to bend over backwards to find Dem lies, dupe. They're all predictions that didn't happen (usually blocked by Pubs) or just total bs....

Almost 3 1/2 years and this is what you come up with? Your usual tripe?

Is it any wonder no one takes you seriously?

 

[francoHFW]

Apparently, no one...

Media 'Fact Checkers' Always Seem To Favor Obama - Investors.com

Journalism: If media "fact checkers" are just impartial guardians of the truth, how come they got their own facts wrong about Paul Ryan's speech, and did so in a way that helped President Obama's re-election effort?

Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.

Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."

What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.

Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009...

...when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."

Media fact-checkers also complained about Ryan's charge that Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. Not true, they said. Medicare's growth is just being slowed.

But Obama achieves that slower growth by making real cuts in provider payments. And in any case, the media always and everywhere call a reduction in the rate of federal spending growth a "cut." So why suddenly charge Ryan with being misleading for using that same term...?

The rest of Ryan's alleged factual errors aren't errors at all; it's just that the media didn't like how he said it. But since when is it a fact-checker's job to decide how a politician should construct his arguments...?

The problem is that the mainstream press is now abusing the "fact check" label, using it to more aggressively push a liberal agenda without feeling the need to provide any balance whatsoever. And, as the reaction to the Ryan speech shows, they are now blatantly using it to provide air support for Obama.

Is it any wonder that soon after Ryan's speech ended, the Obama campaign rushed out an ad using the media's "fact check" stories as its source?

It would seem that "facts" are open to interpretation...

ACTUALLY, it seems that Pubs and their bought off by billionaire pundits lie nonstop. DUH. Fact checkers have to bend over backwards to find Dem lies, dupe. They're all predictions that didn't happen (usually blocked by Pubs) or just total bs....

Almost 3 1/2 years and this is what you come up with? Your usual tripe?

Is it any wonder no one takes you seriously?

So give me a factual Dem lie then lol...Like Dems had total control for 2 years or sig line 6-7...that Dems believe. Fact checking is the Dems' best friend, dupe.

 

[Papageorgio]

A Democratic lie: Debbie Wasserman Schultz wrongly says Marco Rubio called for internment of Muslims

Did Rick Scott close 30 women's health care centers'?

3 BIG Lies From The Democratic Debate Just Got Exposed, And Americans Need To Know It

 

[blackhawk]

Facts and fact checkers only matter to people if they support their agenda. An amusing example we have a thread here about Politifact giving Trump lie of they year many on the right were trashing Politifact over it and one of the board lefties posted you right wingers loved Politifact when they wrongly gave Obama lie of the year.

 

[francoHFW]

A Democratic lie: Debbie Wasserman Schultz wrongly says Marco Rubio called for internment of Muslims

Did Rick Scott close 30 women's health care centers'?

3 BIG Lies From The Democratic Debate Just Got Exposed, And Americans Need To Know It

From #3

"The truth was a casualty of Tuesday night’s Democratic presidential debate.

Hillary Clinton shaded the facts about her use of a private email account while she was Secretary of State and fudged her position on the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., wrongly placed the United States as the world’s leader in wealth and income inequality."

No lies. Bern was talking about modern countries of course. duh. All you get, and speak, is BS, dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

A Democratic lie: Debbie Wasserman Schultz wrongly says Marco Rubio called for internment of Muslims

Did Rick Scott close 30 women's health care centers'?

3 BIG Lies From The Democratic Debate Just Got Exposed, And Americans Need To Know It

Oh, it was Trump, not Rubio. She made a mistake. BFD. Or she didn't supply context, which Pubs do ALL THE TIME. Like I said, Politifact bends over backwards to find Dem "pants on fire"...

 

[francoHFW]

The problem is lying about POLICY. And facts going into them.

 

[Papageorgio]

A Democratic lie: Debbie Wasserman Schultz wrongly says Marco Rubio called for internment of Muslims

Did Rick Scott close 30 women's health care centers'?

3 BIG Lies From The Democratic Debate Just Got Exposed, And Americans Need To Know It

Oh, it was Trump, not Rubio. She made a mistake. BFD. Or she didn't supply context, which Pubs do ALL THE TIME. Like I said, Politifact bends over backwards to find Dem "pants on fire"...

Bullshit, pure dem bullshit.

 

[francoHFW]

Dems have nothing like the alternate Pub universe, built on a huge net of factual lies, character assassination, and hate, or a propaganda machine like Fox Rush etc etc etc etc. She made a mistake (Rubio instead of Trump)- he wouldn't argue with it either...

Total Pub Propaganda BS: 2 years of Obama in control, ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.

 

[jc456]

Apparently, no one...

Media 'Fact Checkers' Always Seem To Favor Obama - Investors.com

Journalism: If media "fact checkers" are just impartial guardians of the truth, how come they got their own facts wrong about Paul Ryan's speech, and did so in a way that helped President Obama's re-election effort?

Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.

Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."

What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.

Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009...

...when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."

Media fact-checkers also complained about Ryan's charge that Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. Not true, they said. Medicare's growth is just being slowed.

But Obama achieves that slower growth by making real cuts in provider payments. And in any case, the media always and everywhere call a reduction in the rate of federal spending growth a "cut." So why suddenly charge Ryan with being misleading for using that same term...?

The rest of Ryan's alleged factual errors aren't errors at all; it's just that the media didn't like how he said it. But since when is it a fact-checker's job to decide how a politician should construct his arguments...?

The problem is that the mainstream press is now abusing the "fact check" label, using it to more aggressively push a liberal agenda without feeling the need to provide any balance whatsoever. And, as the reaction to the Ryan speech shows, they are now blatantly using it to provide air support for Obama.

Is it any wonder that soon after Ryan's speech ended, the Obama campaign rushed out an ad using the media's "fact check" stories as its source?

It would seem that "facts" are open to interpretation...

if you have insurance you can keep it. That's the good one.