Who Checks the "Fact Checkers?"

[GoneBezerk]

Obamination is the scumbag liar like you, when he told the GM plant and Ryan's hometown that he would ensure it was used in his green energy scam projects at GM.....

There are "fact checkers" and there are politically motivated "nit-pickers". The ironic thing is that the left loves the tax exempt Media Matters left wing propaganda source that hires little squads of "fact checkers" that monitor only conservative speech.

It's not a nit pick to show that Ryan is a scumbag liar with his claim about the Janeville GM plant.

 

[Papageorgio]

The "reality" is..that Ryan suggested that Obama's policies failed to help the plant..and that his Medicare "cuts" are impacting people who use it.

Both "facts" are lies.

Republicans run their election campaign based on a quote from their old friend Hitler:

“It is not truth that matters, but victory.”
-Adolf Hitler

There you go, the idiots and their bullshit. This statement is why when you ask for honest answers, I know you are full of it.

 

[Sallow]

The "reality" is..that Ryan suggested that Obama's policies failed to help the plant..and that his Medicare "cuts" are impacting people who use it.

Both "facts" are lies.

Did Obama's policies help the plant like Obama suggested they would in 2008?

It closed before any of them were implemented.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Obamination is the scumbag liar like you, when he told the GM plant and Ryan's hometown that he would ensure it was used in his green energy scam projects at GM.....

There are "fact checkers" and there are politically motivated "nit-pickers". The ironic thing is that the left loves the tax exempt Media Matters left wing propaganda source that hires little squads of "fact checkers" that monitor only conservative speech.

It's not a nit pick to show that Ryan is a scumbag liar with his claim about the Janeville GM plant.

You can pull your lies out your ass. It seems like you really enjoy being lied to, and enjoy passing the bullshit forward. But the fact remains that the last GM Janeville plant stopped producing GM vehicles in December 2008, and announced the closure in June 2008. Ryan is a liar, and you have your tongue up Romney's asshole, loving his lies.

 

[SniperFire]

There are "fact checkers" and there are politically motivated "nit-pickers". The ironic thing is that the left loves the tax exempt Media Matters left wing propaganda source that hires little squads of "fact checkers" that monitor only conservative speech.

It's not a nit pick to show that Ryan is a scumbag liar with his claim about the Janeville GM plant.

 

[SniperFire]

The "reality" is..that Ryan suggested that Obama's policies failed to help the plant..and that his Medicare "cuts" are impacting people who use it.

Both "facts" are lies.

Did Obama's policies help the plant like Obama suggested they would in 2008?

It closed before any of them were implemented.

Janesville is on 'standby', awaiting Obama to fulfill his promise.

 

[GoneBezerk]

You're just so fucking stupid.

We're laughing at you because you're the idiot that is telling us stuff that isn't true and we all know the truth while you further dig a hole deeper for yourself.

Obamination is the scumbag liar like you, when he told the GM plant and Ryan's hometown that he would ensure it was used in his green energy scam projects at GM.....

It's not a nit pick to show that Ryan is a scumbag liar with his claim about the Janeville GM plant.

You can pull your lies out your ass. It seems like you really enjoy being lied to, and enjoy passing the bullshit forward. But the fact remains that the last GM Janeville plant stopped producing GM vehicles in December 2008, and announced the closure in June 2008. Ryan is a liar, and you have your tongue up Romney's asshole, loving his lies.

 

[hjmick]

Apparently, no one...

Media 'Fact Checkers' Always Seem To Favor Obama - Investors.com

Journalism: If media "fact checkers" are just impartial guardians of the truth, how come they got their own facts wrong about Paul Ryan's speech, and did so in a way that helped President Obama's re-election effort?

Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.

Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."

What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.

Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009...

...when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."

Media fact-checkers also complained about Ryan's charge that Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. Not true, they said. Medicare's growth is just being slowed.

But Obama achieves that slower growth by making real cuts in provider payments. And in any case, the media always and everywhere call a reduction in the rate of federal spending growth a "cut." So why suddenly charge Ryan with being misleading for using that same term...?

The rest of Ryan's alleged factual errors aren't errors at all; it's just that the media didn't like how he said it. But since when is it a fact-checker's job to decide how a politician should construct his arguments...?

The problem is that the mainstream press is now abusing the "fact check" label, using it to more aggressively push a liberal agenda without feeling the need to provide any balance whatsoever. And, as the reaction to the Ryan speech shows, they are now blatantly using it to provide air support for Obama.

Is it any wonder that soon after Ryan's speech ended, the Obama campaign rushed out an ad using the media's "fact check" stories as its source?

It would seem that "facts" are open to interpretation...

Who fact checks the fact checker? Anyone who wants to, moron.

The checker of the fact checkers you chose is a liar by omission. The last GM vehicle that rolled off the Janeville assembly line was in December 2008. About 50 workers stayed on to complete a contract with Isuzu for a few more months. The decision to close that facility was made in June 2008, even before the Bush economic disaster hit. Ryan blaming Obama for that closure shows what a scumbag liar he is.

Why would you pick such a lying scumbag to claim the fact checkers are wrong? Are you too fucking lazy to do a bit of analysis on your own?

Hey, Dickless, I just posted an OpEd I found interesting. Interesting because so much of the media is working so hard to get Obama elected, again. Just because you don't like it when the facts are brought to the surface is no reason to get angry.

Now, go ahead and take Obama's cock out of your mouth and get some breakfast. Contrary to what you may think, you're eating now really isn't the most important meal of the day...

 

[Valerie]

Obamination is the scumbag liar like you, when he told the GM plant and Ryan's hometown that he would ensure it was used in his green energy scam projects at GM.....

It's not a nit pick to show that Ryan is a scumbag liar with his claim about the Janeville GM plant.

You can pull your lies out your ass. It seems like you really enjoy being lied to, and enjoy passing the bullshit forward. But the fact remains that the last GM Janeville plant stopped producing GM vehicles in December 2008, and announced the closure in June 2008. Ryan is a liar, and you have your tongue up Romney's asshole, loving his lies.

Quoted from the OP article:




Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.

Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."

What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.

Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009.

An AP "fact check" also claimed that "the plant halted production in December 2008" even though the AP itself reported in April 2009 that the plant was only then "closing for good."

CNN's John King made the same claim about that plant closure. But when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."

 

[Valerie]

Apparently, no one...



It would seem that "facts" are open to interpretation...

I see that type of thing every day when I am reading news stories where the writer draws conclusions without all the facts and (mis)characterizes things to suit his/her purpose. Especially during election season, that sort of slant becomes particularly insidious...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The "reality" is..that Ryan suggested that Obama's policies failed to help the plant..and that his Medicare "cuts" are impacting people who use it.

Both "facts" are lies.

Since Obama's cuts to Medicare are being diverted to shore up Obamacare instead of strengthening Medicare they definitely will affect everyone who uses Medicare. The only people who won't be affected are the rich people and, and the ones who die before they need it.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

So called impartial "fact checkers" like MediaMatters and PolitiFact are themselves biased.

If you listen to those hack groups, then you'd have to believe that Cruz was wrong in a recent debate when he said that the FBI Director conceded that WE are not able to properly vet the Syrian refugees.

But the fact checkers are themselves full of shit. How do we know this? We can check some basic sources on that 'effort" to check the facts.

FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We can
query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because we
have no record of that person...You can only query what you have collected.”


Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on the
ground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States from
the conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim to
be and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
•
Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that the
government does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check the
backgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.
17
Nevertheless, it was
revealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gaps
and absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.
18
•
According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] are
minimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”
19
•
National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligence
picture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be... you can only review
[data] against what you have.”
20
•
Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that
“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not made
a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or intentions reflected in our
databases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up
because we have no record of that person...You can only query what you have collected.”
21
•
Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is that
we don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information... All of the data
sets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],
don’t exist.”
22

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-conte...ndSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pdf

The truth in that case was that Cruz got it RIGHT and the MediaMatters and the PolitiFact conclusion to the contrary is simply partisan political (intentionally dishonest) crap.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You knew this was coming as soon as Trump won lie of the year.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

You knew this was coming as soon as Trump won lie of the year.

You SHOULD have known that the bias of the faux "fact" checkers would be exposed sooner or later.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You knew this was coming as soon as Trump won lie of the year.

You SHOULD have known that the bias of the faux "fact" checkers would be exposed sooner or later.

Yes, when politifact wrongly gave Obama lie of the year for a statement that was mostly true.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You knew this was coming as soon as Trump won lie of the year.

You SHOULD have known that the bias of the faux "fact" checkers would be exposed sooner or later.

These are the Trump lies that factcheck.org cited:

• Trump boasted that he “predicted Osama bin Laden.” Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden’s future plans.
• Trump “heard” that Obama is “thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away.” If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.
• Trump said he “heard” the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees — even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech.Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.
• Trump said he got to know Putin “very well” while the two were on CBS’ “60 Minutes.”Nope. The two men were interviewed separately, in different countries thousands of miles apart.
• Trump claimed his campaign is “100 percent” self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign’s funds had come from outside contributors.
• Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundationestimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.
• Trump told the story of a 2-year old who got autism a week after the child got a vaccine. But there’s no evidence of such a link. The study that claimed to have found a link between vaccines and autism has been exposed as an “elaborate fraud.” It was retracted five years ago by the journal that published it, and the author was stripped of his license to practice medicine in Britain.
• Trump said Mexico doesn’t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.
• Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio.Ford says that’s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.
• Trump denied that he ever called female adversaries some of these things: “fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals.” He used all of those terms.
• Trump said in June “there are no jobs” to be had, when official statistics were showing 5.4 million job openings — the most in 15 years.
• Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has “never” been below zero — until the third quarter of 2015. “Who ever heard of this?” he asked. Except it’s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.

...show us how many they got wrong. And prove it.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

You knew this was coming as soon as Trump won lie of the year.

You SHOULD have known that the bias of the faux "fact" checkers would be exposed sooner or later.

Yes, when politifact wrongly gave Obama lie of the year for a statement that was mostly true.

Your bias is already on full display carbuncle.

No need for you to strain so.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

You knew this was coming as soon as Trump won lie of the year.

You SHOULD have known that the bias of the faux "fact" checkers would be exposed sooner or later.

These are the Trump lies that factcheck.org cited:

• Trump boasted that he “predicted Osama bin Laden.” Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden’s future plans.
• Trump “heard” that Obama is “thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away.” If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.
• Trump said he “heard” the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees — even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech.Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.
• Trump said he got to know Putin “very well” while the two were on CBS’ “60 Minutes.”Nope. The two men were interviewed separately, in different countries thousands of miles apart.
• Trump claimed his campaign is “100 percent” self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign’s funds had come from outside contributors.
• Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundationestimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.
• Trump told the story of a 2-year old who got autism a week after the child got a vaccine. But there’s no evidence of such a link. The study that claimed to have found a link between vaccines and autism has been exposed as an “elaborate fraud.” It was retracted five years ago by the journal that published it, and the author was stripped of his license to practice medicine in Britain.
• Trump said Mexico doesn’t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.
• Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio.Ford says that’s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.
• Trump denied that he ever called female adversaries some of these things: “fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals.” He used all of those terms.
• Trump said in June “there are no jobs” to be had, when official statistics were showing 5.4 million job openings — the most in 15 years.
• Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has “never” been below zero — until the third quarter of 2015. “Who ever heard of this?” he asked. Except it’s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.

...show us how many they got wrong. And prove it.

You spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on Trump.

My part of the conversation has not been focused on Trump at all. I am not impressed with HIS malarkey, either.

But I sure as hell don't buy conclusions offered after "impartial fact checking" from the likes of politifact or mediamutters.

I already established that THEY are full of shit. They may be right in some things. Good for them. But they are also perfectly capable of BEING the liars and willing to go that extra mile of lying to get the job done. Fuck them.

 

[francoHFW]

Apparently, no one...

Media 'Fact Checkers' Always Seem To Favor Obama - Investors.com

Journalism: If media "fact checkers" are just impartial guardians of the truth, how come they got their own facts wrong about Paul Ryan's speech, and did so in a way that helped President Obama's re-election effort?

Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.

Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."

What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.

Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009...

...when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."

Media fact-checkers also complained about Ryan's charge that Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. Not true, they said. Medicare's growth is just being slowed.

But Obama achieves that slower growth by making real cuts in provider payments. And in any case, the media always and everywhere call a reduction in the rate of federal spending growth a "cut." So why suddenly charge Ryan with being misleading for using that same term...?

The rest of Ryan's alleged factual errors aren't errors at all; it's just that the media didn't like how he said it. But since when is it a fact-checker's job to decide how a politician should construct his arguments...?

The problem is that the mainstream press is now abusing the "fact check" label, using it to more aggressively push a liberal agenda without feeling the need to provide any balance whatsoever. And, as the reaction to the Ryan speech shows, they are now blatantly using it to provide air support for Obama.

Is it any wonder that soon after Ryan's speech ended, the Obama campaign rushed out an ad using the media's "fact check" stories as its source?

It would seem that "facts" are open to interpretation...

ACTUALLY, it seems that Pubs and their bought off by billionaire pundits lie nonstop. DUH. Fact checkers have to bend over backwards to find Dem lies, dupe. They're all predictions that didn't happen (usually blocked by Pubs) or just total bs....

 

[Claudette]

No one checks the fact checkers. They all assume they are right in whatever they come up with.

If your smart you gather your own info and make up your own mind. Never mind what some fact checker puts out there.

What you take as fact and believe is all up to each individual.