Who best reflects the Ideals of the Founding Fathers

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  1. nodoginnafight
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    IMHO - no one is doing a particularly good job right now.

    The most important value reflected among our founding fathers was compromise.

    This nation would have never been formed if a minority - or a majority - of the founders had insisted that our Constitution only reflect their values without making any concessions to tho they disagreed with.

    Even the majority is obligated to adhere to a standard set of protections that insure a baseline of rights for the minority. One recent case of Democrats doing a poor job of following that example was when they went behind locked doors, wrote healthcare legislation, and passed it without allowing any dissenting input.

    An example of Republicans doing a poor job of following that example is .... well .... virtually everything since then.

    If you are truly dedicated to your principles, then you must also be committed to getting as much of those principles reflected in legislation - which means negotiation and compromise.
     
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    The most important value is Liberty. It was cherished so much by our founding fathers that many of them gave their lives and fortunes to it.

    Compromise wasn't even a close 10th.
     
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    And what does liberty mean? How is "liberty" applied to individuals?

    How do you transform liberty from an abstract concept into a functioning reality?

    Without compromise, there is no liberty - because without compromise liberty remains in the abstract and not an enforceable concept.
     
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    The Liberty to go to school, sit in a first grade classroom, and NOT be shot.

    The Liberty to go to see a comic book movie and NOT be shot.

    The Liberty to hang out at the park, the neighborhood, the Church, and NOT be shot.
     
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    Of course keeping liberty in the abstract guarantees that it will not become a reality. Just what some folks seem hell bent on.
     
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    Truly, the greatest betrayal is by the two parties that have divided up the country, acted criminally and sold down the river almost every good thing about the nation.
     
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    Agreed. Anytime the good of the party is placed ahead of the good of the nation, the nation suffers.
     
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    Would you do the same the Republicans did, and give up liberty for a false security?

    Being safe and not being shot isn't a liberty, it's a chance.
     
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    Of course the "liberty" to victimize others isn't really liberty either is it?
     

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