WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR?

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WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR?

Poll closed Nov 8, 2016.
  1. TRUMP

    59.3%
  2. CLINTON

    40.7%
  1. emilynghiem
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    I believe if the public agrees then amendments can be passed to add functions to federal govt; otherwise people can agree to shift programs that aren't agreed upon back to states, or as I propose, to parties to manage so there is no taxation without representation and people take responsibility for what policies they agree to fund and where they invest their taxes.

    It's by consent, either by majority rule if they agree to vote using that, or by consensus of they don't agree to give up authority to govt on areas of religious or political beliefs they want to represent themselves.
     
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    Whatever...

    There is nothing in the Constitution that allows the federal government to have any of them. Yet we have them. Most would argue they are essential to both our national defense as well as our economies.

    If you're a strict constitutionalist, you cannot shoe-horn things into the federal government's purview because they make sense, are needed, or are popular without amending the document.

    If you are, like me, one that relies on the best legal minds of our times to decide the constitutionality of an issue, you're comfortable with the outcomes even if they are not very good for you personally like being forced to buy healthcare insurance or Citizens United. I'll take the bad with the good in this case.

    You may differ. That, of course, is your right. But you'd better be ready to get rid of the Air Force, FEMA, NASA, etc..
     
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    In simple laymen's terms... "it's rigged," as much of anything to do with politics is, and anyone can see that. Left, right, even hacks, we all see it.
     
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    No toss-ups gives the toss-up state of Florida to Hildabeest. Most of the other "toss-ups" aren't really so close.

    Cheeto Jesus flips Florida and it's 270.
     
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    OK 007 here's an interpretation of your informal poll

    Since the information by Constitutionalists on this board smokes the liberals who cannot justify imposing political beliefs that are in conflict, that is OBVIOUSLY the reverse of real world politics where the opposite is happening, especially in the media.

    Thus whatever poll results you see here, that should reflect the opposite you see in the real poll results. Thus I predict the real meaning is Clinton will win over Trump 60/40 in the population vote.

    As for candycorn thank you for reminding me it's not just the Democrats to blame for spreading perception and habit of Blacks depending on govt. Even non Democrats and OTHER parties are responsible if Black history gets destroyed using taxpayer money. Not just Democrats who were in office when the deals and money exchanged hands. Thanks for that realization how big the problem really is and why we can't rely on parties to fix it!
     
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    Well, emilynghiem, I respectfully disagree. I think besides the leftist voter fraud, besides the Soros owned voting machines that flip republican votes to democrat, and besides all the polls that people are being inundated with that purport clinton ahead, Trump is going to win, and I believe this for one reason, and that is because there are millions of people out here in fly over land that haven't been involved in politics for decades, but the fever pitch and hyper partisanship of this election has trickled down to them and they have become aware, but these are the people that NO POLL can measure. All these polls have been be JUST people selected by those administering the polls, and they are using these polls in an attempt to alter a persons perception as to whether or not they should even bother to vote. If you just listen to the polls you'd think that hitlery should already have the new drapes for the white house delivered because she's already won, and that is what they want. That's what the establishment and leftists want you to believe. But what's happening, and has so many leftists in a total PANIC, is that for the first time ever, thanks much to many more millions of people that now have computers and can get news from other sources other than the leftists, DNC propaganda machine of lies and bias, people are seeing through the fog of liberal trash media. So I think we're going to see a turn out voting for Trump, as we've seen by the THOUSANDS of people turning out at his rallies. People are sick of Washington and the corruption, and they know a vote for clinton is a vote for CORRUPTION, and a vote for Trump is a vote a person that is NOT politician, and who promises to DRAIN THE SWAMP. That's what I see.
     
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    Wasn't my intent.

    My intent was this; decisions are made by those who show up. If you were to look at black political power, it is strongest where blacks vote in numbers and less where blacks do not. I would say it is the same for Hispanics and other ethnic minorities as well.

    Gender is starting to skew in that direction as well.
     
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    Dear 007 maybe YOU can see through all the media mess,
    but most people cannot do and see what you do.

    When Obama tells Black voters and Democrat Voters to vote for Clinton,
    they do that in ways the rightwing are NOT "sheep" and think for themselves
    as more independent and self-governing and will NOT "do what someone tells them to"

    Cruz has more conscience than to sell out as Sanders did and push for Clinton putting
    party over principles. And that conscience that makes people so strong also
    divided the party over something like this, where they aren't going to sell out if they disagree.
    The left will do that as they did for Obama and now Clinton; both divided the party
    and both times the sheep followed the lead that was HANDED them to follow.

    Constitutionalists and independent minded business owners are less likely to act like sheep.

    The left may think that because of the cohesive collective unity of Christians and Constitutionalists
    that APPEAR to be "blindly following" but it's the PRINCIPLES that unite the right.
    If division occurs, that same adherence to conscience serves to divide.

    To be fair, the LGBT movement had to learn this lesson, and could not get anywhere with
    the division over bisexuals and later transsexuals being discriminated against for fear they would
    discredit and weaken the movement.

    My peace and justice friends on the left/Green side of the spectrum
    ALSO struggle with this issue of being of such conscience, they
    cannot so easily forgive and work with others that are dominating or distrustful in their approaches.
    The CUTTHROAT greedy people will set aside differences to collude to get more power concentrated
    among them, but the CONSCIENTIOUS people won't compromise where those with no ethics would!


    So my advice is the conscientious people must be as "ruthless" as our unethical counterparts
    who will stop at nothing to get what they want for self-serving reasons,
    those who are selfless need to learn from them how to do the same thing in terms of forgiving problems
    in order to do GOOD, as those who put differences aside to serve themselves.

    Romney was too nice and wouldn't stoop to dirty mean politics to win, so we lost out on a better leader.
    If we keep rewarding the ruthless ones, we keep getting bullied over by the "bigger bully."

    The people who don't ruthlessly force their way over others
    end up sitting back and taking whatever is handed down.

    So until we change this, we'll see these bullying tactics used
    to exploit the minority votes that keep depending on this bigger bully.

    We have to change the game, or else it keeps ending the same way!
     
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    Today, we will have a new president, president TRUMP.
     
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    Good conversation Emily... and today we see how it all turns out.

    I think... (and pray)... it's Trump.
     

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