Who are you voting for?

[hortysir]

You said yourself you lean libertarian but are voting for a blowhard statist in Romney...you can't have it both ways...you are either freedom and liberty loving or you are a statist like Romney and Obama and think the state should control things.

Rant all you want. I'm still not throwing my vote away on Gary Johnson.

Oh its not a rant its the truth. You think you are a libertarian,you are about as libertarian as that neo con Rand Paul is. Give me a break you aren't fooling anyone with your lies.

Just being realistic.

Any vote,at this point, for a 3rd party is a vote away from Romney and, thus, a vote FOR Obama

 

[Dissent]

Actually its a vote FOR freedom and a vote AGAINST statism.

 

[hortysir]

Actually its a vote FOR freedom and a vote AGAINST statism.

Actually, that would make it a vote that doesn't change anything

 

[Dissent]

Well there sir we completely disagree.

 

[Peach]

Writing in Harry Truman, James Madison for VP.

 

[Dissent]

Lol

 

[barry1960]

Interesting vote results, Romney well in the lead and the Libertarian camdidate running well ahead of Obama. More a commentary of how right skewed this forum might be rather than the leanings of the general populace.

 

[Pheonixops]

I wonder what Gary Johnson would say to his supporters. Would he urge them to cast their vote for him, or to vote for Romney.

Who knows?

When's the last time anyone heard anything from him?

About 4 hours ago. He has a

 

[hortysir]

Well there sir we completely disagree.

Don't get me wrong, Dis.

I've liked Gary from the beginning.
He has the same name as my nephew.

If he could have built momentum and had a real chance, I'd be willing.

He won't have enough support and will be a wasted vote, IMHO

 

[Peach]

Obama

What has he done for you???????????????????????

Another catch phrase from the "statist" crowd; a new phrase a year which boils down to: "I don't give a da*n about other Americans, but handing billions to MULTInational defense companies to kill thousands is great. America looks tough, and Americans that die or are maimed signed up for the wars, I DIDN'T, I'm too 'smart' to risk my yellow butt".

 

[Pheonixops]

Romney needs to put Johnson as VP

That would be an excellent choice.

Why? What would that achieve? It certainly wouldn't make me vote for Romney.

 

[Shelzin]

Hurt yourself to hurt your opponent is not sound thinking.

It is if you are hurt no matter what. I said it over and over... Democrats and Republicans are basically the same. I see so many people who say they'll vote for such and such because it's the lesser of two evils. THOSE are the people who are my opponents.

If your values align with Willard and you vote for him... Great. No problem with that.

If your values align with Obama and you vote for him... Great. No problem with that.

If your values align with "whoever" and you vote for him... Great... No problem with that.

If you vote for someone because they are the lesser of two evils... I'm out fuck you. How many democrats/liberals you see running around here saying Obama is the lesser of two evils?

You're never going to find someone who your values totally align with.

That's true. Ron and Gary are really damn close.

You can find someone who doesn't align with your values enough to cost / benefit your choices.

I agree with that too.

 

[Pheonixops]

I actually chose Gary Johnson as he is the person I feel most espouses my personal beliefs on how this country should be run. However, after reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that the vote cast should be the one most likely to topple Obama from power and ensure that we are not stuck with yet another four years of his entirely ineffectual leadership and divisive decisions.

I will admit that his please to the gay community at one time did draw me towards him, but then after seeing that he was simply using that to get votes, well that was the end of it for me. I sat down a really looked at my views and realized that other than that I can't say I agree with anything else he has done other than the repeal of DADT. That's pretty sad to say when I was pretty damned gung ho about him at first. Now that I have had time to sit down and think I realized that when it comes to government I am much closer to the Libertarians, but in this vote I just think a vote away from the only sure bet to topple Obama would be a lose on everyone's part. I therefor changed my mind and have decided that while I find Romney less than a pleasant choice I will be voting for him in this election.

LOL, thanks for the LAUGH!!!!!

 

[Shelzin]

Good Lord son, some piss ant thread in an internet message board is enough to sway your political thinking? Small suggestion, you shouldn't make such personally revealing statements online anymore.

Actually yes, and I am not ashamed to say it. One's opinion should always be open to change should new information come your way.

I agree with that. It's possible, however improbable, that I would vote for someone other than Ron or Gary this year.

I have only just started to really get into politics and have no one to discuss ideas with, hence the reason I joined an online message board. To gather information and to hear other peoples opinions. When presented with a valid point I pondered it and then realized that there was quite a lot of sense in it. So I changed my opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, and your apparent attempt to make me look a fool will have no effect on that. Please keep your condescension to yourself, for I need it not. Good day, sir.

I'm not sure how long you will last in a place like this... But mass respect to you. You and I likely won't agree on much worth anything... But be a man. Or woman.. Whatever you are. Respect that.

 

[Dissent]

Well there sir we completely disagree.

Don't get me wrong, Dis.

I've liked Gary from the beginning.
He has the same name as my nephew.

If he could have built momentum and had a real chance, I'd be willing.

He won't have enough support and will be a wasted vote, IMHO

You do realize you answered your own question right?

He doesn't have the momentum because he was and still is ignored by the media and because once again this year as in the past people will vote for the lesser of 2 evils instead of who they really want as president. We must stop that. I never have voted for lesser of 2 evils I voted for who I wanted as president.Sure I knew they wouldn't win but I felt good when I went to bed knowing I didn't vote for someone I didn't want as president.

 

[CarlS85]

LOL, thanks for the LAUGH!!!!!

Sarcasm or seriousness?

Mostly I'm asking if you find my view on this issue to be amusing or the fact that I stood up to someone trying to be a smart ass bully. If the former I would ask that you explain what about what I said was funny, because I would love to know what parts you disagree with. If the second, you are quite welcome. When one acts like an idiot one deserves to be treated as such. He definitely deserved it.

I agree with that. It's possible, however improbable, that I would vote for someone other than Ron or Gary this year.


I'm not sure how long you will last in a place like this... But mass respect to you. You and I likely won't agree on much worth anything... But be a man. Or woman.. Whatever you are. Respect that.

I might not last long, but I plan to learn what I can while I am here. I have never been one to dodge a fight in the slightest, but I feel like perhaps this is a bit too one sided of a place. Might not be a place I feel I will get much by way of true knowledge, possibly just more rhetoric which would not be good for someone as new to politics as I am.

 

[Shelzin]

Well there sir we completely disagree.

Don't get me wrong, Dis.

I've liked Gary from the beginning.
He has the same name as my nephew.

If he could have built momentum and had a real chance, I'd be willing.

He won't have enough support and will be a wasted vote, IMHO

You do realize you answered your own question right?

He doesn't have the momentum because he was and still is ignored by the media and because once again this year as in the past people will vote for the lesser of 2 evils instead of who they really want as president. We must stop that. I never have voted for lesser of 2 evils I voted for who I wanted as president.Sure I knew they wouldn't win but I felt good when I went to bed knowing I didn't vote for someone I didn't want as president.

I have voted the lesser of two evils my whole voting life.

I apologize to you for that. I truly am sorry.

 

[Pheonixops]

I went to his website and would vote for Johnson in second.

Just not this time. Too much riding on this one.

LOL, that's the typical neocon mantra that blowhards like Hannity & Limbaugh spout; election in history!".
Here, maybe you would like to read this:
A conservative case against Mitt Romney
Barack Obama is not the reason the nation has lost its way, and Mitt Romney isn't the answer

The time for conservatives to compromise has come and gone. The time for decisive and prudential judgments in our votes has arrived, and that means abandoning Mitt Romney this election.

One of the great mistakes conservatives make when voting today is misjudging and mischaracterizing our political opponents. Words such as "socialist, radical, and communist" are tossed around with little regard to their historical meaning or modern implications. Then, we portray every election as a "turning point" in history, making over-exaggerated claims about the consequences of a political loss. Few actually argue that Mr. Romney stands by himself as a solid candidate for the presidency, but we are told we must get rid of the main problem, President Obama, even if it means settling for the lesser of two evils. This logic appears solid, but for the fact that it is based on two fundamentally flawed premises. One being: Mr. Obama is the problem. Two being: Mr. Romney is the solution.

Mr. Romney is anything but the ideal candidate. He is not running a campaign based on his plans or record but on why Mr. Obama has failed. We all know President Obama has failed. I want to know how Mr. Romney plans to fix America.

He has no economic plan. And his record as governor of Massachusetts shows he supported the government welfare state and constant government intrusions into the personal lives of American citizens. One can only conclude that as president, he wouldn't cut back entitlements and would reject raising so much as one dollar in the taxes needed to finance those entitlements.

His foreign policy is more neoconservative interventionism, pointless and hopeless "nation-building," and another war in the Middle East — against Iran. This policy flies in the face of hundreds of years of conservative tradition; it completely disregards the Constitution and ignores the sound advice of our Founding Fathers.

Now we move to the social issues — the real reason many conservatives will vote for Mr. Romney. Perhaps the most important one for conservatives is abortion, yet on that issue, the Republican nominee is just as liberal as President Obama. Until Mr. Romney became conveniently pro-life just in time for the 2008 GOP primary, he adamantly "supported a woman's right to choose" (as he called it), and he stated abortion "should be safe and legal" and that he would "sustain and support" Roe v. Wade.

If we elect Mr. Romney, he will do the minimum necessary to placate the conservative base, but he will not change the trajectory of a nation gone astray.

And we need that kind of fundamental change because Mr. Obama is not an aberration but a symptom of a problem more than 40 years in the making. He is a symptom of the liberal and sexual revolutions of the 1960s that have infected public schools and higher education, corrupted the media and entertainment industry, led to the disintegration of the family, and the decline of organized religion. Defeating Mr. Obama won't solve these problems because he didn't cause them; rather, he is the direct result of them.

Even if Mr. Romney wins and turns back or mitigates some of the president's most egregious violations of liberty and traditional morality, such as the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," the Affordable Care Act, and the contraception mandate, what will happen when a liberal Democrat retakes the White House? Calls for these policies will come back with renewed force. That is, unless there is a fundamental change in Washington.

Mr. Romney is not going to bring that change, so a vote for him is the ultimate wasted vote.

So…what now? Vote for someone who actually represents you, vote third party. There are numerous qualified candidates who represent sound conservative values. Virgil Goode and Ron Paul are two possibilities.

CLICK FOR THE REST OF THE ARTICLE

 

[Pheonixops]

I'm Libertarian-leaning. But I'm not even mildly tempted by Johnson in this race. I actually think Romney's skill-set is superior in dealing with the economic mess we've got going on right now.

Really? How so?

 

[Murf76]

Rant all you want. I'm still not throwing my vote away on Gary Johnson.

Oh its not a rant its the truth. You think you are a libertarian,you are about as libertarian as that neo con Rand Paul is. Give me a break you aren't fooling anyone with your lies.

Just being realistic.

Any vote,at this point, for a 3rd party is a vote away from Romney and, thus, a vote FOR Obama

Exactly. To be honest, I really do think that someday we might see a Libertarian candidate make a real go of it. But it's not this year and it's not Johnson. He simply doesn't have enough national appeal. I've seen radishes with more charisma.

Libertarians need a candidate who can articulate the message... and do it well. And frankly, they need to be able to visualize for the public what their policies would do for America. Their ridiculous sound-bite jargon make them sound like isolationist potheads. And yeah... we who are paying attention know it's more than that, but that's not speaking to people who don't spend 6 hours a day tuning in. Ask ten people if they know who Gary Johnson is and you'll be lucky if even one can answer.

This business of "the chicken or the egg" is just bullshit. They're not offering either a chicken OR an egg at this point. They need a bigger candidate, someone who ignites America's imagination, demands our attention. And that's not Gary Johnson.