Who Are You Voting For & Why?

[Liberty]

Johnson. It is time to try something new.

 

[Liberty]

Johnson voters are just too chicken shit to say they're voting for obama,, but that's what it boils down to.

Johnson doesn't have a chance, but let's say he did and was able to get into office. How would he work with the dems and the repubs?

Gridlock over growing congressional power works for me.

 

[SwingVoter]

Gridlock over growing congressional power works for me.

people forget the great accomplishments of 90s Gingrich-Clinton gridlock, government couldn't do a thing, so the private sector did everything...as a result, the economy took off and the budget went into surplus

for this election, we have an inept socialist and yet another numb nut, afraid-to-offend Republican, not sure I'm into the 3rd party protest vote, so still undecided

 

[flacaltenn]

Yea, it's a much better idea to let one of the world's most whackjob nations get nukes - because we don't 'need' another war. There are other ways to stop Iran without going to war. Romney will do what is necessary - and I believe Obama would too. Neither of them are that stupid. Apparently, you may well be that stupid.

It hurts to feud with you Cali, but history ain't on your side here at all....

TWO Bushes and Clinton had a whack at stopping North Korea and how did THAT TURN OUT?

Did they accomplish it? How much bribe money and negotiation expense? Are we at war yet?

HOW MANY years did we need to stay in 2 wars in Iraq and Afghan?

Different times, different countries.... please try to keep up.

This thread is not about Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran. This constant 'apply whatever standard works for you' bores me.

I'm not soapboxing here.. I was attacked for my political preferences.. I just want folks to know how well thought out they actually are.. They don't even resemble the scripts that the MSM puts out on YOUR 2 parties.

The only folks with nebulous standards here are the ones who are screaming about stopping Iran, when we have 12 years of Rep and 8 years of Dem leadership that FAILED to stop North Korea..

I apologize for widening the scope of hypocrisy on you by mentioning our 20yrs of bad bipartisan policy on Iraq -- or the stalemated war in Afghanistan -- but there's so much there -- it's hard to stop.. Especially because whenever people ask me who I'm voting for they don't like the answer.. But all they really got is a crappot full of excuses for their own failed political parties..

 

[tjvh]

I will vote for Romney, because I cannot handle four more years of watching my country, and what it was Founded upon be systematically dismantled at the hands of Obama.

 

[Liberty]

I will vote for Romney, because I cannot handle four more years of watching my country, and what it was Founded upon be systematically dismantled at the hands of Obama.

romney is no different, wake up brother.

 

[007]

It's been "ANYBODY BUT OBAMA" since the day he was sworn in.

Which in this case, the best man to beat ovomit is Romney.

 

[Douger]

I hold this ideal.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk]George Carlin Doesn't vote - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Borillar]

Wow you like Obama, OMG I copuldnt fiure that out. You think he governed from the center right? Oh so you wanna those single payer kooks, got it.

Yep! America needs Single-Payer!

It works EVERY time. Yeah less freedom and more government control. Hello my name is Lakoda and I'm a facist, socialist, whatever and I cant think for myself, I need the government to do it for me. Does that sound about right?

Oh and I NEVER question Obama, he's the messiah(well atleast for atheists)

Yes, single payer is... The Devil!

The whole industrialized world is fascist, communist, or whatever because they have single payer healthcare. We're the beacon of freedom because we have the freedom to die of untreated diseases. Canada = Hitler! Sweden = Pol Pot! France = Mussolini!

I can't believe you loons actually believe all this ridiculous shit you constantly spew.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You almost had me up to this point, Definite deal breaker.
Last thing this country needs is another war, especially one that would cause gas to jump to $8.00 a gallon or more. It would bankrupt this country.

Yea, it's a much better idea to let one of the world's most whackjob nations get nukes - because we don't 'need' another war. There are other ways to stop Iran without going to war. Romney will do what is necessary - and I believe Obama would too. Neither of them are that stupid. Apparently, you may well be that stupid.

It hurts to feud with you Cali, but history ain't on your side here at all....

TWO Bushes and Clinton had a whack at stopping North Korea and how did THAT TURN OUT?

Did they accomplish it? How much bribe money and negotiation expense? Are we at war yet?

HOW MANY years did we need to stay in 2 wars in Iraq and Afghan?

That's all peachy. Funny thing is we are not negotiating with Iran as if they were some third world wack job. Because they aren't. They must not be allowed the bomb, period. Two different nations, two different scenarios

 

[IndependntLogic]

Johnson voters are just too chicken shit to say they're voting for obama,, but that's what it boils down to.

I'm not voting for Obama. I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I'm voting my conscience. I'm voting for the candidate who best represents my beliefs.

I have always maintained that if all the people who complained that they were sick and tired of the two party system actually voted their conscience and went with a third party candidate who actually stood for something, the political system in this country would be turned upside down.

Instead, people more often than not choose to vote for the guy they think has the best chance of winning just so they can say "Hey! Look! I picked the winner!"

This is our country we are talking about, not the NCAA Final Four.

After becoming familiar with Gary Johnson's positions and views, I could no more vote for him than Ron Paul. Paul was a right leaning libertarian. Johnson is a left leaning libertarian. The most important attribute of both is legalization of drugs. If it weren't for that, neither one would get a half percent of the vote.

Johnson was the Republican governor of New Mexico. He was well respected by both parties in a predominantly Democrat state.

Protest vote are a waste,We have two bad choices to pick from,I would vote for Obamma if I was assured the house would not change and Reid would be out as leader of the Senate.

But no crystal ball so its most likely Romney.

Not a protest vote, see above...

The cruel facts are that JOhnson doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell so voting for him is a vote for obama.. deal with it.

Not so long as people are afraid to vote their conscience...

I'm not enthralled with either choice and I won't waste my vote with a third party candidate I learned my lesson after doing that with Ross Perot.I might have missed it but did the OP ever tell us who they are voting for and why?

To Hmjick: Good for you! Fcuk those who tell you that the Founding Fathers fought bravely so that you would have the right to vote for who SOMEONE ELSE told you to vote for!

to Blackhawk:

I'm voting for Obama based mostly on policy positions. Accomplishments are as follows:
Repealed DADT
Got OBL. To those who don't want to give him credit for the years, dozens of Opsin Afgh and the Paki that led to it, fine. He has still taken out more Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders in 3 years, than Bush did in six. AQ literally can't get people to accept promotions because it has become a death sentence.
He's done a few other things but not a lot. Given what he's been up against for the last two years, I can cut him a bit of slack.

More importantly, his policy positions:
Wants to strengthen Dodd-Frank / Volcker Rule -if it hadn't been for Gramm Leach-Bliley there would have been no bailouts! Conversely, the GOP & Romney want to get rid of Dodd-Frank, without replacing it! That would give even more power to Wall St and guarantee future bailouts if the fcuk up again because it allows them to remain "too Big to Fail".
Obama is the only person anywhere who has proposed any serious cuts in spending that is specific and measurable. While Ryan act does zero, (the GOP claims it cuts the deficit over 400 years or whatever but the Ryan act doesn't specify which tax loopholes it will cut to accomplish this, so it's BS) Obama proposed a $100 Billion+ cut in defense - as a start. And reallocation of funds to Special Ops, Intel and technology. I'm way behind that. We have no business getting involved in a bunch of land wars. Our enemies are still there but they're much better dealt with through Intel, SOFs and Tech.
Also, the fact that Obama had a "victory" in Libya is problematic for me. Not what happened there but the other problem. The Dems have now shown us they can get into a military conflict without losing lives or bankrupting the country. So Romeny and they GOP are beating their chests about Iran - the single largest and best equipped military in the ME. They are 10x better than Iraq was BEFORE the sanctions. They are also cozy with Russia and China. Great.
the final policy positions have to do with the advantages which were (inadvertantly) given to companies for shipping jobs and revenues overseas.
Obama proposed cutting loopholes that allow tax deductions for shipping jobs overseas. The GOP has made it clear they oppose this. WTF?
Obama proposed closing the loophole that allows offshoring funds through Double-Irish, Dutch Sandwich etc... This means that products made in America, Sold ONLY in America and only by Americans, are able to be counted as foreign income. That's hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars every year folks. The GOP opposes this. So much for being serious about the deficit.

Other than that, I really don't see a difference between Obama and Romney - depending on which version of Romney you're talking about. The GOP has always claimed they will cut spending and reduce government. The problem is they never do. They offer nothing that indicates they will suddenly do what they have never done before.

I'll be curious to see whether there are intelligent, policy / history based counters to my points.

 

[Desperado]

I will most likely vote for Romney for the following reasons:
He will bomb the shit out of Iran if necessary to stop them from going nuclear

You almost had me up to this point, Definite deal breaker.
Last thing this country needs is another war, especially one that would cause gas to jump to $8.00 a gallon or more. It would bankrupt this country.

Yea, it's a much better idea to let one of the world's most whackjob nations get nukes - because we don't 'need' another war. There are other ways to stop Iran without going to war. Romney will do what is necessary - and I believe Obama would too. Neither of them are that stupid. Apparently, you may well be that stupid.

First, I believe the US is trying to stop Iran without going to war. That being said I also believe the US has no right to decide what countries can have nuclear technology and how they use it.
Secondly, It is a matter of priorities. The fiscal health of the US could not stand another war and the gas prices that would bring. So you have to decide, what is in the best interest of only the United States. When you take that into consideration,
Yes, "it's a much better idea to let Iran develop their nuclear technology. As we did with North Korea, India and Pakistan. What makes Iran any different?
Besides the whackjob you seem so paranoid of is going to retire.
Iranian president tells German newspaper that "8 years is enough," he will quit when 2nd term ends and return to academia.
Ahmadinejad: I will retire from politics i... JPost - Middle East
Don;t give him any reason to stick around....