Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

Ma'an and other Palestinian media outlets published what appeared to be a press release from the Palestinian Ministry of Education:

The Ministry of Education and Higher Education (MoEHE) condemned the attack on the Ramallah Secondary School for Boys by a group of young people who are outlawed, stressing its categorical rejection of any attack on any educational institution and the entire educational process, especially the Palestinian teacher.
The Ministry considered in a press statement today that any attack on education is an attack on Palestine, and will constitute a major issue for the ministry. The ministry will enforce the maximum punishment, follow up on the aggressors and take protective measures to ensure that this situation is not repeated.
The ministry said in a statement that the Minister of Education and Higher Education d. Sabri Sidem and Undersecretary of the Ministry d. Ozer Saleh and Governor of Ramallah and Al-Bireh d. Laila Ghannam, the police and the Directorate of Education visited the school, where they met the teaching staff and followed up the details of the event, and then went to the hospital to check on the safety of teachers and students who were injured in the attack.So some group of people attacked a school and injured teachers and students.
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But there are practically no news stories of the actual attack!

Ma'an doesn't bother to give any background. We have no idea that the motivation was for the attack, how many were injured, how many were involved, how many were arrested, what day this happened - nothing.

What kind of reporting is this? The type that the Palestinian Authority allows. because making its own people look irrational and violent is something that is simply not halal.

(full article online)

If Mahmoud Abbas says it isn't news, it isn't news ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

On October 7, 2017, on the occasion of the 44th anniversary of the 1973 war between Israel and the Arabs, the London-based Saudi daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsatpublished an article by its former editor, 'Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, in which he praised then Egyptian President Anwar Sadat for leading the Arabs to "their only victory over Israel" and then leveraging that victory to sign a peace treaty with Israel. In the article, titled "There Are Those Who Have Not Learned from the October War," Rashed also criticized some Arab and Iranian leaders for not drawing the right conclusions from the war and for thwarting the opportunity to expand the Egypt-Israel peace agreement into a comprehensive peace with the Palestinians as well. He claimed that, to this day, these rulers distort history in order to cover up their failures.

(full article online)

Senior Saudi Journalist On Anniversary Of 1973 War Between Israel And The Arabs: Some Arabs Still Haven't Learned The Lessons Of The War

 

[Sixties Fan]

The festive signing of the Oslo Peace Accords in September 1993 found Husam Badran, a founding member of Hamas and later a director of the organization’s military wing, in Israel’s high security Nafha Prison, serving time for terror activities. His fellow security prisoners—jubilantly following the ceremony on TV—started packing their bags, expecting to be released imminently in a mass amnesty. But Badran kept his cool.

“After all they’d suffered, they felt this was real. But I told them: ‘Don’t be in such a rush. We will be freed after serving our full sentences, then we will be arrested again and again as negotiations proceed.’ And that is indeed what happened.”

Twenty-five years later, the senior Hamas leader, who was convicted of overseeing some of the most infamous bombings by the terror group, including the 2001 bombing of the Sbarro Pizza in Jerusalem which killed 15 Israeli civilians, and the bombing of the Dolphinarium Discotheque in Tel Aviv, which killed 21, feels that he has been vindicated. With President Donald Trump delivering blow after political blow to Badran’s avowed adversary Mahmoud Abbas—first cutting funds to the Palestinian Authority, then moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and now shuttering the PLO offices in Washington, D.C.—Badran is confident that he can convince his people that the now-defunct peace process was a sham all along.

“We always knew that Oslo was an illusion. Today we’ve been proven right: Oslo never bred a Palestinian State nor retrieved the rights of the Palestinian people.” These days, he added, “not one person will defend Oslo on official Palestinian TV.”

(full article online)

Between War and Peace: An Interview With Senior Hamas Leader Husam Badran

 

[P F Tinmore]

The festive signing of the Oslo Peace Accords in September 1993 found Husam Badran, a founding member of Hamas and later a director of the organization’s military wing, in Israel’s high security Nafha Prison, serving time for terror activities. His fellow security prisoners—jubilantly following the ceremony on TV—started packing their bags, expecting to be released imminently in a mass amnesty. But Badran kept his cool.

“After all they’d suffered, they felt this was real. But I told them: ‘Don’t be in such a rush. We will be freed after serving our full sentences, then we will be arrested again and again as negotiations proceed.’ And that is indeed what happened.”

Twenty-five years later, the senior Hamas leader, who was convicted of overseeing some of the most infamous bombings by the terror group, including the 2001 bombing of the Sbarro Pizza in Jerusalem which killed 15 Israeli civilians, and the bombing of the Dolphinarium Discotheque in Tel Aviv, which killed 21, feels that he has been vindicated. With President Donald Trump delivering blow after political blow to Badran’s avowed adversary Mahmoud Abbas—first cutting funds to the Palestinian Authority, then moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and now shuttering the PLO offices in Washington, D.C.—Badran is confident that he can convince his people that the now-defunct peace process was a sham all along.

“We always knew that Oslo was an illusion. Today we’ve been proven right: Oslo never bred a Palestinian State nor retrieved the rights of the Palestinian people.” These days, he added, “not one person will defend Oslo on official Palestinian TV.”

(full article online)

Between War and Peace: An Interview With Senior Hamas Leader Husam Badran

We always knew that Oslo was an illusion.

Some people knew that Oslo was a sham from the start. It took a while for everyone else to catch up.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In the course of interrogations by the Shin Bet and the police, Ahmed Abu Tzibah, a Hamas terrorist from Kafr Aqab, who had been released a few months earlier, was found to have began the group after being sentenced to eight months in prison for his activities in the terrorist organization Shabab al-Aqsa.

Tzibah is the son of Mesbah Abu Tzibh, who carried out a deadly shooting attack in October 2016 in Jerusalem, during which Livneh Malihi and the Yossi Kirma were murdered.

The investigation revealed that Tzibah was the one who led the violent event, transferred the funding for the fireworks, and instructed to recruit additional activists to riot on the Temple Mount, as well as fire the flares at the Israeli forces.

Rashid Rashak, a Hamas terrorist with an Israeli identity card, was arrested along with his wife, who served between 14 and 16 years in prison for his involvement in a stabbing attack. Rashid recruited activists and instructed them how to take part in the event. In the weeks following the clashes, Rashid also instigated a similar violent incident on the Temple Mount, but unsuccessfully, due to the security forces' preventive activity.

(full article online)

Murderer's son leads Temple Mount riots

 

[Sixties Fan]

A peace plan isn’t peace. Peace negotiations aren’t peace. Nobel Peace Prizes aren’t peace, either, though they were handed out after Oslo.

Peace is peace.

And war is war: There were 169 Palestinian suicide attacks between 1993 and 2016, targeting shopping malls, bus depots, the streets of downtown Jerusalem. In 2014 alone, there were 4,500 rocket and mortar attacks on Israelis. The Palestinians still proudly celebrate their stunning military victory over a pregnant woman, seven children, and five other civilians eating pizza at the Battle of Sbarro. There is constant violence on the Gaza border, and balloons and kites now are used to deliver incendiary devices into Israeli cities. There are practically no diplomatic relationships between the Israeli government and the Palestinian government, partly because the Palestinians have two competing governments run by two competing terrorist organizations: Fatah in the West bank and Hamas in Gaza. The United States government has announced that it will cease funding the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA), and an Israeli newspaper reported that the Trump administration, through Jared Kushner and his representative Jason Greenblatt, had offered the Palestinians $5 billion to come to the negotiating table again — a claim Greenblatt denies. President Trump has suggested that he’ll rely on financial leverage to motivate the Palestinians, telling reporters: “I’d say, ‘You’ll get money, but we’re not paying you until we make a deal. If we don’t make a deal, we’re not paying.’”

Another deal. One cannot fault the administration for trying. What else is there to do?

If only Secretary of State Bob Newhart were here to offer the Palestinians some sound advice: “Stop it.”

The conflict in Israel might be settled 1 million different ways, but Palestinian powers reject 999,999 of those possibilities in favor of the one outcome that the Israelis cannot accept: the elimination of the Jewish state as such. To the extent that the Palestinian powers have the consent of the people they purport to rule, this is what is being consented to: war and more war, misery and more misery, with the Palestinians themselves suffering some of the worst of it. But the Israelis cannot make peace with people who will not make peace with them. They can only do what they have tried to do: protect themselves and look for harm-reduction opportunities.

(full article online)

Palestinians: Stop Making War If You Want Peace | National Review

 

[Sixties Fan]

[How does one dry the well and make the bleeding stop?]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Finally, a Muslim WAQF Official Kicked Off the Temple Mount

 

[Sixties Fan]

Ahed Tamimi's Global Propaganda Tour | HonestReporting

 

[Sixties Fan]

However, foreign affairs commentator Ishaan Tharoor, giving his thoughts in the Washington Post on US President Donald Trump’s cessation of funding for UNRWA writes:

The White House, along with Israel’s right wing, argues that the rolls of recognized refugees should be limited to those alive in 1949 — a move at odds with other U.N. operations that also confer refugee status upon the descendants of the displaced.

Tharoor links to the UNHCR page for Afghan refugees whose descendants, like those of other refugees administered to by UNHCR, do not, unless under exceptional circumstances (unlike Palestinians who receive it by default), automatically receive refugee status.

Put simply, Tharoor has made a fundamental error.

(full article online)

Washington Post Errs on Palestinian Refugees | HonestReporting

 

[Sixties Fan]

[The truth comes out. But who listens to it? ]

To mark the 25th anniversary of the Oslo Accords, Palestinian journalist Abd Al-Bari Atwan, editor of the online newspaper Rai Al-Yawm, revealed in an article that the late Palestinian Authority (PA) president and PLO leader Yasser Arafat had told him in confidence that he did not believe in the Oslo Accords path but that he was going along with it because it was an opportunity "to bring the PLO and the resistance back to Palestine" and to drive out the Jews "like rats abandoning a sinking ship." Atwan also noted in his article that Arafat had cooperated with, funded, and armed members of Hamas, and had coordinated with Hizbullah to dispatch ships bringing weapons to the Gaza coast. Arafat, he added, paid for this with his life, because he had "caused the outbreak of the armed Second Intifada and brought weapons from everywhere possible."

(full article online)

Senior Palestinian Journalist: Arafat Told Me He Went Along With Oslo Accords Because It Would Make 'The Jews... Leave Palestine Like Rats Abandoning A Sinking Ship'

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was a flurry of articles earlier this year about Israel's permit system that restricts where Palestinians are allowed to go in Israel. "Security bans are the hidden centerpiece of a permit system that Palestinians consider the ultimate tool of control in Israel’s half-century-old military occupation."

What practically no one mentions is that there were virtually no controls on where Palestinian Arabs could travel in Israel before 1991, when the permit system was instituted - as a result of the first intifada and the deaths of hundreds.

None of Israel's critics would suggest that there was no "occupation" between 1967 and 1991.

The fact is that the permit system is a response to Palestinian terror, not a consequence of "occupation." Israel gave Palestinian Arabs the freedom of movement that they claim as a right - and that freedom resulted in brutality and murders.

Similarly, the security barrier and other restrictions were enacted in response to even more Palestinian terror in the 2000s.

Why do these scholarly papers as well as popular articles ignore the context of the current restrictions, and instead blame "occupation?" Israel has shown that if there wasn't violence, the borders could be virtually open.

I've spoken to long-time Jewish residents of the West Bank who told me they could buy challahs for Shabbat in Ramallah, where they were brought in from Angel Bakery in Israel, before the first intifada. Jews and Arabs could have had freedom of movement in both directions if it wasn't for Palestinian terror.

(full article online)

It isn't the "occupation," stupid - it's the terror ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was a flurry of articles earlier this year about Israel's permit system that restricts where Palestinians are allowed to go in Israel. "Security bans are the hidden centerpiece of a permit system that Palestinians consider the ultimate tool of control in Israel’s half-century-old military occupation."

What practically no one mentions is that there were virtually no controls on where Palestinian Arabs could travel in Israel before 1991, when the permit system was instituted - as a result of the first intifada and the deaths of hundreds.

None of Israel's critics would suggest that there was no "occupation" between 1967 and 1991.

The fact is that the permit system is a response to Palestinian terror, not a consequence of "occupation." Israel gave Palestinian Arabs the freedom of movement that they claim as a right - and that freedom resulted in brutality and murders.

Similarly, the security barrier and other restrictions were enacted in response to even more Palestinian terror in the 2000s.

Why do these scholarly papers as well as popular articles ignore the context of the current restrictions, and instead blame "occupation?" Israel has shown that if there wasn't violence, the borders could be virtually open.

I've spoken to long-time Jewish residents of the West Bank who told me they could buy challahs for Shabbat in Ramallah, where they were brought in from Angel Bakery in Israel, before the first intifada. Jews and Arabs could have had freedom of movement in both directions if it wasn't for Palestinian terror.

(full article online)

It isn't the "occupation," stupid - it's the terror ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

The First Intifada was a response to Israel's occupation. Why was that not mentioned?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Earlier this year, the Palestinian Authority Mufti ruled that Islam forbids selling land to "enemies," as reported by Palestinian Media Watch. Doing so would be "treason" and "a sin."

Now the Palestinian Authority is acting according to this prohibition. In cooperation with the PA's General Prosecution, the PA's Preventive Intelligence Force "succeeded in thwarting a deal for the illegal transfer of land" and arrested those involved:

"The [PA] Preventive Intelligence Force succeeded - through security cooperation, relying on intelligence information, surveillance on the ground, and intensive monitoring, and in legal coordination with the [PA] General Prosecution - in thwarting a deal for the illegal transfer of land (i.e., to Israelis/Jews) in the Hebron district... The Force succeeded in arresting those involved... and they were transferred to the legal system for the completion of the legal steps against them."
[Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Aug. 31, 2018]

The Mufti emphasized the gravity of the sin of transferring land to non-Muslims a few months ago, explaining that it constitutes "heresy." He made it clear that anyone guilty of such a land transfer is seen by Allah as similar to someone "who fight Muslims because of their religion." Such a person is considered a "traitor" who has "left Islam" and should be "banished" and "excommunicated" - no one should "do business with him, marry him, or demonstrate friendliness to him," and no one should "participate in his funeral, pray for him, or bury him in Muslim cemeteries:"

(full article online )

PA arrests Palestinians for selling land to Israelis/Jews, follows Mufti's religious prohibition - PMW Bulletins

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

This has got to be one of the most stupid decrees I think I've ever heard of coming out of the territories.

Earlier this year, the Palestinian Authority Mufti ruled that Islam forbids selling land to "enemies," as reported by Palestinian Media Watch. Doing so would be "treason" and "a sin."

(COMMENT)

Maybe the region needs to bring back the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) from a hundred years ago. Becausethe Arab Palestinians Governments don't seem to be doing the job.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

This has got to be one of the most stupid decrees I think I've ever heard of coming out of the territories.

Earlier this year, the Palestinian Authority Mufti ruled that Islam forbids selling land to "enemies," as reported by Palestinian Media Watch. Doing so would be "treason" and "a sin."

(COMMENT)

Maybe the region needs to bring back the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) from a hundred years ago. Becausethe Arab Palestinians Governments don't seem to be doing the job.

Most Respectfully,
R

Their thinking goes like this:

It is Muslim conquered land.
It must remain in the hands of any Muslim.

This is how the Jews ended up with only 20% of the Mandate for their homeland.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

Yes, it does have this ring to it.

Their thinking goes like this:

It is Muslim conquered land.
It must remain in the hands of any Muslim.

This is how the Jews ended up with only 20% of the Mandate for their homeland.

(COMMENT)

But this type of thinking the "Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day" is actually HAMAS type thinking.

It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up.

I'm not sure that the Rahmallah Governments wants to admit they are beginning to lean in that direction.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

Yes, it does have this ring to it.

Their thinking goes like this:

It is Muslim conquered land.
It must remain in the hands of any Muslim.

This is how the Jews ended up with only 20% of the Mandate for their homeland.

(COMMENT)

But this type of thinking the "Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day" is actually HAMAS type thinking.

It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up.

I'm not sure that the Rahmallah Governments wants to admit they are beginning to lean in that direction.

Most Respectfully,
R

How are you sure that they have not been all along?

Arafat could not sign the Peace Treaty for fear he would be assassinated as the Egyptian President was.

Why is that? Because many Muslims think that way, as it is a religion of conquest and never giving the land back.
Of course they lose wars, but they may be one of the only peoples in the world, just like the Germans were, who think of retaking land they once conquered. That it belongs to them.

They use the same idea as Mohammad did, as I have said before.

Wait, and eventually the land will return to them.

All of Gaza is now in Muslim hands.

The leaders, Imams and others keep saying that all of Jerusalem belongs to Islam only, and that all of Palestine is theirs.

Ramallah does have maps of "Palestine" with all of Israel included in the map AS Palestine.

Jordan seems to think that way as they have been going against the Jewish right to go up the Temple Mount, going against what had been agreed to with the Peace Treaty.

At what point exactly did the idea that all conquered Muslim land is forever Muslim I am not quite sure.

The Muslims for sure did not mind being conquered by other Muslims, as with the case with the Ottoman Empire.

All the land conquered by the Ottomans remained in Muslim hands.

Now, we have Muslims saying they are waiting to reconquer Spain, or Vienna, or any other land once conquered by a Muslim.

Does it come from the Quran, or from more recent (hundred years) thinking?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Sixties Fan, et al,

These are questions for which I have no tangible evidence to evaluate.

• How are you sure that they have not been all along?

√Arafat could not sign the Peace Treaty for fear he would be assassinated as the Egyptian President was. Why is that?​

• Now, we have Muslims saying they are waiting to reconquer Spain, or Vienna, or any other land once conquered by a Muslim.

√ Does it come from the Quran, or from more recent (hundred years) thinking?​

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(RESPONSES)

While we might be able to say, with some confidence, that countries like China, South Korea, and Japan are coming back into their golden age, the same cannot be said about the Muslim world.

The Muslim World has no idea the direction it is taking. It may fade away like the Egyptian Culture.

I'm not sure that even the most knowledgeable Islamic scholars truly understand what the Qurans says or how to apply it. If the scholars actual knew, then the world would not be so much confusion about the meaning and intent.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

This Ongoing War: A Blog: 13-Sep-18: What do the Palestinian Arabs think?