Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

Technically, the statue was sponsored by the Arab Liberation Front (ALF), not the municipality of Qalqilya or the PA itself. But the PA’s district governor for the Qalqilya District, Rafi Rawajba, attended the unveiling ceremony. Rawajba is a representative of the Fatah movement, which PA President Mahmoud Abbas chairs.

You can see from the photos distributed by The Associated Press that the statue is 20 feet tall, with lights so everyone can see it at night, too. And it’s situated smack in the middle of a major street. If the mayor or Abbas didn’t want there, it would be gone in five minutes.

In fact, the ALF has erected statues of Saddam in several other PA-controlled cities, too, and Abbas has not ordered them taken down, either. That’s because he was always one of Saddam’s biggest fans. Abbas could have written the Arabic inscription on the statue himself: “Allah is great, long live the nation, Palestine and Iraq, the Lord of the era’s martyrs Saddam Hussein.”

(full article online)

With Saddam statue, Abbas thumbs his nose at the US

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Fatah terrorist wing, the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, celebrated the "martyrdom" of the terrorists and said:

We affirm that the blood of the martyrs will not be wasted and that the Zionist enemy bears the consequences of this sinful crime. We also affirm that the blood of the martyrs will be the fuel for the continuation of the resistance until the occupation is defeated from all of Palestine.

The Fatah Facebook page showed a picture of the dead "martyrs" saying that they are alive in paradise, and claiming that they are smiling in death.

(full article online)

Mahmoud Abbas' "moderate" Fatah praises dead tunnel terrorists ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

Ma'an, the independent press agency, refers to the dead terrorists as "martyrs" and describes the attack on the tunnel not as occurring in Israel but "east of Khan Younis" to inflame passions of Palestinians as if this was an attack on Gaza.

The Gaza Ministry of Health is claiming that Israel used poison gas in the tunnels, and is calling for an international investigation. Because, of course, they care so much about international law.

Of course, Islamic Jihad and Hamas and the other terror groups all issued statements about how this "crime" will not go unpunished. No Palestinian is decrying this "cycle of violence" that they are threatening to start.

The head of the secular and pro-democracy Palestinian National Initiative, Mustafa Barghouti, described the bombing as "a crime aimed at reconciliation and aimed at provocation. It shows the criminal and provocative nature of the Netanyahu government and its ministers who want to use Palestinian blood for their internal rivalries."

Not a word against the idea of terrorists building tunnels into Israel to perform kidnapping and massacres.No chiding Islamic Jihad for provoking Israel to defend itself. Israel's actions, across the board, are portrayed as aggressive and unwarranted.

(full article online)

Palestinian support for terror tunnels is across the board ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ma'an, the independent press agency, refers to the dead terrorists as "martyrs" and describes the attack on the tunnel not as occurring in Israel but "east of Khan Younis" to inflame passions of Palestinians as if this was an attack on Gaza.

The Gaza Ministry of Health is claiming that Israel used poison gas in the tunnels, and is calling for an international investigation. Because, of course, they care so much about international law.

Of course, Islamic Jihad and Hamas and the other terror groups all issued statements about how this "crime" will not go unpunished. No Palestinian is decrying this "cycle of violence" that they are threatening to start.

The head of the secular and pro-democracy Palestinian National Initiative, Mustafa Barghouti, described the bombing as "a crime aimed at reconciliation and aimed at provocation. It shows the criminal and provocative nature of the Netanyahu government and its ministers who want to use Palestinian blood for their internal rivalries."

Not a word against the idea of terrorists building tunnels into Israel to perform kidnapping and massacres.No chiding Islamic Jihad for provoking Israel to defend itself. Israel's actions, across the board, are portrayed as aggressive and unwarranted.

(full article online)

Palestinian support for terror tunnels is across the board ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Tunnels are a violation of international law too, just sayin'?​

How so?

Whether the crimes are to kidnap civilians, kidnap soldiers, or to pop out of the tunnel and shoot everyone on sight,​

Those tunnels have never been used against civilians.

BTW, soldiers are captured not kidnapped.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Ma'an, the independent press agency, refers to the dead terrorists as "martyrs" and describes the attack on the tunnel not as occurring in Israel but "east of Khan Younis" to inflame passions of Palestinians as if this was an attack on Gaza.

The Gaza Ministry of Health is claiming that Israel used poison gas in the tunnels, and is calling for an international investigation. Because, of course, they care so much about international law.

Of course, Islamic Jihad and Hamas and the other terror groups all issued statements about how this "crime" will not go unpunished. No Palestinian is decrying this "cycle of violence" that they are threatening to start.

The head of the secular and pro-democracy Palestinian National Initiative, Mustafa Barghouti, described the bombing as "a crime aimed at reconciliation and aimed at provocation. It shows the criminal and provocative nature of the Netanyahu government and its ministers who want to use Palestinian blood for their internal rivalries."

Not a word against the idea of terrorists building tunnels into Israel to perform kidnapping and massacres.No chiding Islamic Jihad for provoking Israel to defend itself. Israel's actions, across the board, are portrayed as aggressive and unwarranted.

(full article online)

Palestinian support for terror tunnels is across the board ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Tunnels are a violation of international law too, just sayin'?​

How so?

Whether the crimes are to kidnap civilians, kidnap soldiers, or to pop out of the tunnel and shoot everyone on sight,​

Those tunnels have never been used against civilians.

BTW, soldiers are captured not kidnapped.

Dunce, digging tunnels into a sovereign territory IS a violation of international law, you like it or not.

Against civilians, against soldiers, against the wind.....

Just saying!!!!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Exploded tunnel was dug for soldier abductions, Gaza terror leader says

 

[Sixties Fan]

Say that "peace" means "destroy Israel" enough times, soon people will believe it ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

Calling Out the Tellers of Anti-Israel Lies | RealClearPolitics

 

[JoelT1]

Palestine: Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is bogus

Thank you Mr. Israeli talking points.

This renowned historian does not use the name “palestine” because it was an illegitimate Roman name imposed on the indigenous Jewish population

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ma'an, the independent press agency, refers to the dead terrorists as "martyrs" and describes the attack on the tunnel not as occurring in Israel but "east of Khan Younis" to inflame passions of Palestinians as if this was an attack on Gaza.

The Gaza Ministry of Health is claiming that Israel used poison gas in the tunnels, and is calling for an international investigation. Because, of course, they care so much about international law.

Of course, Islamic Jihad and Hamas and the other terror groups all issued statements about how this "crime" will not go unpunished. No Palestinian is decrying this "cycle of violence" that they are threatening to start.

The head of the secular and pro-democracy Palestinian National Initiative, Mustafa Barghouti, described the bombing as "a crime aimed at reconciliation and aimed at provocation. It shows the criminal and provocative nature of the Netanyahu government and its ministers who want to use Palestinian blood for their internal rivalries."

Not a word against the idea of terrorists building tunnels into Israel to perform kidnapping and massacres.No chiding Islamic Jihad for provoking Israel to defend itself. Israel's actions, across the board, are portrayed as aggressive and unwarranted.

(full article online)

Palestinian support for terror tunnels is across the board ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Tunnels are a violation of international law too, just sayin'?​

How so?

Whether the crimes are to kidnap civilians, kidnap soldiers, or to pop out of the tunnel and shoot everyone on sight,​

Those tunnels have never been used against civilians.

BTW, soldiers are captured not kidnapped.

Dunce, digging tunnels into a sovereign territory IS a violation of international law, you like it or not.

Against civilians, against soldiers, against the wind.....

Just saying!!!!

Those tunnels did not cross any borders.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Ma'an, the independent press agency, refers to the dead terrorists as "martyrs" and describes the attack on the tunnel not as occurring in Israel but "east of Khan Younis" to inflame passions of Palestinians as if this was an attack on Gaza.

The Gaza Ministry of Health is claiming that Israel used poison gas in the tunnels, and is calling for an international investigation. Because, of course, they care so much about international law.

Of course, Islamic Jihad and Hamas and the other terror groups all issued statements about how this "crime" will not go unpunished. No Palestinian is decrying this "cycle of violence" that they are threatening to start.

The head of the secular and pro-democracy Palestinian National Initiative, Mustafa Barghouti, described the bombing as "a crime aimed at reconciliation and aimed at provocation. It shows the criminal and provocative nature of the Netanyahu government and its ministers who want to use Palestinian blood for their internal rivalries."

Not a word against the idea of terrorists building tunnels into Israel to perform kidnapping and massacres.No chiding Islamic Jihad for provoking Israel to defend itself. Israel's actions, across the board, are portrayed as aggressive and unwarranted.

(full article online)

Palestinian support for terror tunnels is across the board ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Tunnels are a violation of international law too, just sayin'?​

How so?

Whether the crimes are to kidnap civilians, kidnap soldiers, or to pop out of the tunnel and shoot everyone on sight,​

Those tunnels have never been used against civilians.

BTW, soldiers are captured not kidnapped.

Dunce, digging tunnels into a sovereign territory IS a violation of international law, you like it or not.

Against civilians, against soldiers, against the wind.....

Just saying!!!!

Those tunnels did not cross any borders.

Tinbrain can see the Israeli/Gaza "border from his living room.

Oh, wait, there is no Israel, therefore there can be no borders.....
and the "Palestinians" have broken no law, much less International law.

Yeah......

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ma'an, the independent press agency, refers to the dead terrorists as "martyrs" and describes the attack on the tunnel not as occurring in Israel but "east of Khan Younis" to inflame passions of Palestinians as if this was an attack on Gaza.

The Gaza Ministry of Health is claiming that Israel used poison gas in the tunnels, and is calling for an international investigation. Because, of course, they care so much about international law.

Of course, Islamic Jihad and Hamas and the other terror groups all issued statements about how this "crime" will not go unpunished. No Palestinian is decrying this "cycle of violence" that they are threatening to start.

The head of the secular and pro-democracy Palestinian National Initiative, Mustafa Barghouti, described the bombing as "a crime aimed at reconciliation and aimed at provocation. It shows the criminal and provocative nature of the Netanyahu government and its ministers who want to use Palestinian blood for their internal rivalries."

Not a word against the idea of terrorists building tunnels into Israel to perform kidnapping and massacres.No chiding Islamic Jihad for provoking Israel to defend itself. Israel's actions, across the board, are portrayed as aggressive and unwarranted.

(full article online)

Palestinian support for terror tunnels is across the board ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Tunnels are a violation of international law too, just sayin'?​

How so?

Whether the crimes are to kidnap civilians, kidnap soldiers, or to pop out of the tunnel and shoot everyone on sight,​

Those tunnels have never been used against civilians.

BTW, soldiers are captured not kidnapped.

Dunce, digging tunnels into a sovereign territory IS a violation of international law, you like it or not.

Against civilians, against soldiers, against the wind.....

Just saying!!!!

Those tunnels did not cross any borders.

Tinbrain can see the Israeli/Gaza "border from his living room.

Oh, wait, there is no Israel, therefore there can be no borders.....
and the "Palestinians" have broken no law, much less International law.

Yeah......

Armistice lines are specifically not to be political of territorial borders.

 

[JoelT1]

No history of palestinians They never existed

Ancient history of the Jews

 

[P F Tinmore]

No history of palestinians They never existed

Ancient history of the Jews

Another Israeli lie.
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The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[JoelT1]

No history of palestinians They never existed

Ancient history of the Jews

Another Israeli lie.
--------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

No history of palestinians. Palestine was a Roman name imposed on Jews’ land

American archaeologists discover ancient Jewish synagogue in Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

No history of palestinians They never existed

Ancient history of the Jews

Another Israeli lie.
--------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

No history of palestinians. Palestine was a Roman name imposed on Jews’ land

American archaeologists discover ancient Jewish synagogue in Israel

Lie, lie, lie, Israel is based on lies.

The case raised the issue of the status of those concessions following the demise of the Turkish empire, meaning that the PCIJ needed to determine what kind of entity had replaced Turkey in the territory of Palestine. The Court said that Palestine was a successor state to Turkey.

http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=mjil
------------------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[Hollie]

No history of palestinians They never existed

Ancient history of the Jews

Another Israeli lie.
--------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

No history of palestinians. Palestine was a Roman name imposed on Jews’ land

American archaeologists discover ancient Jewish synagogue in Israel

Lie, lie, lie, Israel is based on lies.

The case raised the issue of the status of those concessions following the demise of the Turkish empire, meaning that the PCIJ needed to determine what kind of entity had replaced Turkey in the territory of Palestine. The Court said that Palestine was a successor state to Turkey.

http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=mjil
------------------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

It’s hilarious to watch you repeatedly cut and paste snippets from different documents at different points in time and ipso facto invent your
Magical Kingdom of Pally’Land

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is another one of those, propaganda sounds bites. It has just enough truth in it to fool the casual observer.

Armistice lines are specifically not to be political of territorial borders.

(COMMENT)

There is no (repeat: NO) General of Specific Armistice between the Israelis and any element representing themselves as acting on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.

The General Armistice Agreement between the Egyptian-Israeli Governments S/1264/Corr.1 23 February 1949 has been superseded by the Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel. Article XII, Paragraph 2, states that the Armistice l "shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved." The peaces settlement between the parties was achieved through the Peace Treaty between Egypt-Israel (MAR 1979).

Article II of the Egyptian-Israeli Treaty addresses the permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.

With the establishment of the treaty, the Armistice is dissolved. There is no Armistice Line.

And even if there was, as in the time prior to the treaty, an Armistice Line is protected to the same degree as the permanent border. Under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (A/RES/25/2625 1970):

"Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character."
​

The entire issue of Borders, as the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) --- Negotiation Affairs Department (NAD) very well knows as been a set element with the Permanent Status of Negotiation under the Article V of The Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements Oslo Accords.

"It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and co-operation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest."
​

People should not allow themselves to be confused by claims of what the Arab Palestinians have massaged into something that sounds both sound and valid; it is far from it.

Finally: As is "customary" in law [a general and consistent practice of states --- from the time before the Greco-Turkish War (1897) ⇒ Gulf Wars], the Arab Palestinians should be subject to "War Reparation" penalties and payments intended to cover damage or injury inflicted during the Israeli-Arab Palestinian conflict (1988 to present).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

From today PA controls Gaza crossings

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is another one of those, propaganda sounds bites. It has just enough truth in it to fool the casual observer.

Armistice lines are specifically not to be political of territorial borders.

(COMMENT)

There is no (repeat: NO) General of Specific Armistice between the Israelis and any element representing themselves as acting on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.

The General Armistice Agreement between the Egyptian-Israeli Governments S/1264/Corr.1 23 February 1949 has been superseded by the Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel. Article XII, Paragraph 2, states that the Armistice l "shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved." The peaces settlement between the parties was achieved through the Peace Treaty between Egypt-Israel (MAR 1979).

Article II of the Egyptian-Israeli Treaty addresses the permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.

With the establishment of the treaty, the Armistice is dissolved. There is no Armistice Line.

And even if there was, as in the time prior to the treaty, an Armistice Line is protected to the same degree as the permanent border. Under the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (A/RES/25/2625 1970):

"Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character."
​

The entire issue of Borders, as the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) --- Negotiation Affairs Department (NAD) very well knows as been a set element with the Permanent Status of Negotiation under the Article V of The Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements Oslo Accords.

"It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and co-operation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest."
​

People should not allow themselves to be confused by claims of what the Arab Palestinians have massaged into something that sounds both sound and valid; it is far from it.

Finally: As is "customary" in law [a general and consistent practice of states --- from the time before the Greco-Turkish War (1897) ⇒ Gulf Wars], the Arab Palestinians should be subject to "War Reparation" penalties and payments intended to cover damage or injury inflicted during the Israeli-Arab Palestinian conflict (1988 to present).

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no (repeat: NO) General of Specific Armistice between the Israelis and any element representing themselves as acting on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.

That is true. Even though the war was fought inside Palestine, Palestine (who had no army) was not a party of the conflict. The armistice lines were drawn around and through Palestine to separate the armed forces of those involved. Since the armistice lines specifically were not to be political or territorial boundaries, they had no affect on Palestine's territory or international borders. Palestine remained intact but was divided into three areas of occupation.

Since the armistice lines around the West Bank and Gaza went through Palestine, and since they were not borders, it was still Palestine on both sides. To say that the Palestinians violate Israel's territorial integrity is simply not true.