Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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    Agreed, Rocco. I would push even further and define the role of government, at a very basic level, as providing for the health, safety and welfare of the governed. By those standards, neither Hamas or Fatah are able to provide even the most basic elements of government. The role of government as practiced by those entities is seemingly turned upside down as the actions of Hamas and Fatah literally enable the circumstances that cause their populations to suffer.
     
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    I’m afraid Mahmoud just can’t let go of the insult he suffered when the Great Satan™️ halted their UNRWA welfare payments.




    PA accuses U.S., Israel of trafficking Palestinian organs

    Oh, and don’t forget about stealing organs, too.

     
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    His Excellency, Abu (King, Field Marshal General, Emir of the West Bank and keeper of the Presidential Jet), Mazen has decided he will elect himself to the role of “Sultan of the Qatari Suitcases Full of Cash


    Thursday, 17 October, 2019
    Palestine: Abbas is Fatah’s Only Candidate

    https://m.aawsat.com/english/home/article/1949691/palestine-abbas-fatah%E2%80%99s-only-candidate


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    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is Fatah's only candidate for the presidential election, announced member of Fatah Central Committee Hussein al-Sheikh.


    Sheikh said on Tuesday that the election committee is still holding discussions, and once that process is over, Abbas will set the date for the parliamentary and presidential elections.
     
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    Was Israel attacked from Bi'lin, Nabi Saleh, or Budrus, etc.?
     
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    Let me consult my YouTube video collection.
     
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    The Arabs-Moslems have a great plan for Pal’istanian medical care; have someone else pay for for it.

    Amid the financial crisis™️ affecting the Abbas mini-caliphate, healthcare for Arabs-Moslems should be another welfare entitlement paid by Israel. It seems that expecting Pal’istanians to build / fund hospitals to provide for themselves is grossly unfair.

    Israel being responsible for providing healthcare to Arabs-Moslems would, of course, make money available for Abbas to pay the Islamic terrorists who attack Israel.

    Who wouldn’t be in favor of this?




    Palestinian PM says Israeli doctors should treat patients in West Bank

    Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh has proposed that Israeli medical doctors work in Palestinian hospitals in the West Bank as a way to save on the cost of sending patients for treatment in Israel.

    The PA has long paid for most medical bills of Palestinians from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip who are referred to Israeli hospitals for treatment that is not available in Palestinian hospitals. But it stopped paying for the treatments in March amid a financial crisis caused by a dispute with Israel over the transfer of tax revenues to the PA.
     
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    RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
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    Now you are just being argumentative. You are applying the wrong event with the wrong verb.

    "There is no act that can justify an act of terrorism, that" is it.

    (COMMENT)

    You know as well as anyone else, that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have, on a pretty regular basis, jumped out on to the street and start assaulting Israeli Police and Security while going about their Article 43 (Hague Regulation) duties (take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety). And, unless you are mentally deficient, you know that this is wrong.

    You know that International Humanitarian Law (IHL) stipulates that when the HoAP takes such action which is intended to harm the Occupying Power (Israel), or members of the occupying forces or administration, the perpetrators are subject to punishment under the IHL. But more importantly, when the elements of the HoAP, or when those that support the HoAP, attempt to openly violate that which is relating to moral principles under the Rule of Law (RoL) - that is wrong. But history has shown that the HoAP has stepped outside the norms that support the equality of all people before the law and those practices which are the foundation for the development of peaceful, equitable and prosperous societies.

    Don't think, for one minute, that the intentional stalling of those political processes that would re-establish regional peace, security, and justice, so endangered by the HoAP and other Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters who pretend to represent the Arab Palestinians - but, do so to accumulate wealth and power.

    It does not matter what religious affiliation you promote, when the HoAP commits criminal acts, → that are calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to any civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities, with the sole intention of intimidating the population of Israel, the Arab League or the Quartet, for the purpose of compelling the people of Israel, any other government or international organization to do that which furthers the objective to dismantle the Jewish National Home → is just plain wrong!

    When the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, over a century ago, they did not quibble over the ultimate intention. And when the UN allowed, what the called a "Jewish State" to declare independence from the trusteeship (established over seven decades ago) they did not stutter over their intention. They saw a need and took action to rectify it while they exercised their right to future and facilitate Jewish immigration, close settlement by Jews on the land, they did not quibble. The intention was understood. The fact that the HoAP and hostile members of the Arab League scrambled the intention through the act of aggression in 1948 (and an extended conflict ever since), did not change the intention. It only changed the complexion of the outcome.

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    Holy Israeli hooey, Batman.

    You ducked the question.

     
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    RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
    ⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

    I did not even see a question except the one I answered.


    (COMMENT)

    Asked and answered. Violation of Article 68, GCIV: See Posting #14437:

    Nabi Saleh dedicates weekly demonstration to 16 year old ...
    https://nabisalehsolidarity.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/nabi-saleh-dedicates-weekly...Jan 25, 2013 · 18 January 2013
    Nabi Saleh on Friday, 18 January dedicated its weekly demonstration against Israel occupation and apartheid to martyr Samir Awad from Budrus, the 16 year old boy killed by the IOF earlier in the week. *** Israeli Army Shoots Dead 16 Year Old Palestinian in Budrus by Popular Struggle Coordination Committee: 18 January…​

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    You cannot ask about an external attacks (International Armed Conflict) if you cannot recognize the parameters of your own "State of Palestine. (You cannot ask about "Alpha" and THEN object to the answer relative to "true domain.")

    IF you are considering the entirety of the territory as the relevant domain, as in the territory formerly under the Palestine Order in Council, THEN, from that perspective, it internal security it becomes domestic criminal activity and not an "attack" from Bi'lin, Nabi Saleh, or Budrus, etc.

    ◈ IF you are applying the term perspective of "liberation" THEN you have to identify both the country establishing the occupation" and the territory to that which is "occupied." IF you identify the State of Israel as the Occupying Power THEN the recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.

    ◈ IF you consider the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip as the State of Palestine, THEN the question becomes, when was that territory declared independent by the inhabitants?​

    The political-military organization (Pol-Mil) that was given to be the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people since 1974 (Robat - League of Arab States) was the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), headed by Yasser Arafat, at the time. The PLO was a coalition of various anti-Israeli, nationalistic groups that were unified by their opposition to Israel and by their common aspirations for a Palestinian homeland. The various
    factions that comprise the PLO gave the liberation movement a shaky and tenuous reputation in stability because of continuing disputes over strategy and tactics to be used in seeking their common objectives. They still argue about this today. What is amazing is that the PLO Negotiation Affairs Department hold to the political stance that the "State of Palestine" is based on pre-June 4th 1967 border with East Jerusalem as its Capital.

    While the PLO came into existence in 1967 • 1968, it did not come to be the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people until 1974. And the State of Israel already had control of entire West Bank, including Jerusalem for the previous seven years. And, without prejudice to the Arab Palestinian People, was no universal "Arab Palestinian" people (with the PLO as the sole legitimate representative) until 1974. The previous sovereign of the entire West Bank, including Jerusalem, was the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan which cut all ties with and abandon the entire West Bank, including Jerusalem in 1988.

    The Ramallah Government for the entire West Bank, including Jerusalem, inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world (Article 22 LoN Covenant).

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