Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Dareen Tatour

Dareen was placed under Israeli administrative detention for a post on facebook.

And rightfully so, since she threatened on said Facebook post that she would "become the next martyr" -- meaning she would attempt to murder some Israeli Jews.

Link?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I saw this on several different media outlets.

Dareen Tatour is among dozens of Palestinians arrested by Israel for incitement allegations over social media posts. al-Jazeera 20 June 2016​

Israel puts poet under house arrest
The Electronic Intifada 22 April 2016

Poetic Injustice: Free Palestinian Poet Dareen Tatour!
Free Haifa~ Reading, Writing and Freedom Arithmetics
​

Who are the Palestinians?

Dareen Tatour

Dareen was placed under Israeli administrative detention for a post on facebook.

And rightfully so, since she threatened on said Facebook post that she would "become the next martyr" -- meaning she would attempt to murder some Israeli Jews.

Link?

(COMMENT)

Well, there are a couple ways of looking at this.

• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement).
​

The principle problem here is that the Israeli Security is damned if they take preventative action --- or damned if they don't respond.

• If the security services ignored the implications, take no action and then a connected event to Tatour did occur, the security services will be accused of failing to perform due diligence (misfeasance).
• If the security services take action to neutralize a potential threat, and nothing happens connected to Tatour, then again, the security services will be accused of failing to properly perform (misfeasance).
​

So, if the security services will be accused of failing to perform (misfeasance); then they sure error on the side of caution and act to protect the citizenry.

The security services have a tough job to perform in the detection, identification, exploitation and neutralization of activities potentially supporting espionage, sabotage, subversion, and sedition. There are all sorts of Hostile Arab Palestinians that generate news media frenzies like this just to promote unrest. And if Tatour's action create any sort of unrest of seditious outcome, then conventional wisdom says "prosecute."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I saw this on several different media outlets.

Dareen Tatour is among dozens of Palestinians arrested by Israel for incitement allegations over social media posts. al-Jazeera 20 June 2016

Israel puts poet under house arrest
The Electronic Intifada 22 April 2016

Poetic Injustice: Free Palestinian Poet Dareen Tatour!
Free Haifa~ Reading, Writing and Freedom Arithmetics
​

Who are the Palestinians?

Dareen Tatour

Dareen was placed under Israeli administrative detention for a post on facebook.

And rightfully so, since she threatened on said Facebook post that she would "become the next martyr" -- meaning she would attempt to murder some Israeli Jews.

Link?

(COMMENT)

Well, there are a couple ways of looking at this.

• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement).
​

The principle problem here is that the Israeli Security is damned if they take preventative action --- or damned if they don't respond.

• If the security services ignored the implications, take no action and then a connected event to Tatour did occur, the security services will be accused of failing to perform due diligence (misfeasance).
• If the security services take action to neutralize a potential threat, and nothing happens connected to Tatour, then again, the security services will be accused of failing to properly perform (misfeasance).
​

So, if the security services will be accused of failing to perform (misfeasance); then they sure error on the side of caution and act to protect the citizenry.

The security services have a tough job to perform in the detection, identification, exploitation and neutralization of activities potentially supporting espionage, sabotage, subversion, and sedition. There are all sorts of Hostile Arab Palestinians that generate news media frenzies like this just to promote unrest. And if Tatour's action create any sort of unrest of seditious outcome, then conventional wisdom says "prosecute."

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, there are a couple ways of looking at this.

• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement).​

You forgot defending their rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Dareen Tatour

Dareen was placed under Israeli administrative detention for a post on facebook.

And rightfully so, since she threatened on said Facebook post that she would "become the next martyr" -- meaning she would attempt to murder some Israeli Jews.

Israel is shooting itself in the foot again. More fuel for BDS.

Ooooooo, terrorist!

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, you are confused again.

Well, there are a couple ways of looking at this.

• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement).

You forgot defending their rights.

(REFERENCES)

Hague Regulation 1907
Article. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Article 68. Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.

(COMMENT)

Well, you can encourage them to defend whatever; --- BUT at the end of the day it is illegal and punishable under the Geneva Convention.

It is the responsibility of the Occupation Force to maintain public order and safety.

If you incite or otherwise encourage protected persons (Arab Palestinians) to harm the Occupation Power, cause serious damage to Occupation property or facilities, you are punishable under the law. If you encourage the use of deadly force, causing the death of members of the Occupation Power, you are punishable under the law.

Do not make the mistake of trying to encourage Arab Palestinian who don't know any better, to disrupt public order and safety, or harm the Occupation Power, making them think that it is internationally protected. It is simply not so. No matter what bogus argument you claim, no matter which non-binding resolution you cite, the fact of the matter is: it is punishable by law.

End of Story!

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I saw this on several different media outlets.

Dareen Tatour is among dozens of Palestinians arrested by Israel for incitement allegations over social media posts. al-Jazeera 20 June 2016

Israel puts poet under house arrest
The Electronic Intifada 22 April 2016

Poetic Injustice: Free Palestinian Poet Dareen Tatour!
Free Haifa~ Reading, Writing and Freedom Arithmetics
​

Who are the Palestinians?

Dareen Tatour

Dareen was placed under Israeli administrative detention for a post on facebook.

And rightfully so, since she threatened on said Facebook post that she would "become the next martyr" -- meaning she would attempt to murder some Israeli Jews.

Link?

(COMMENT)

Well, there are a couple ways of looking at this.

• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement).
​

The principle problem here is that the Israeli Security is damned if they take preventative action --- or damned if they don't respond.

• If the security services ignored the implications, take no action and then a connected event to Tatour did occur, the security services will be accused of failing to perform due diligence (misfeasance).
• If the security services take action to neutralize a potential threat, and nothing happens connected to Tatour, then again, the security services will be accused of failing to properly perform (misfeasance).
​

So, if the security services will be accused of failing to perform (misfeasance); then they sure error on the side of caution and act to protect the citizenry.

The security services have a tough job to perform in the detection, identification, exploitation and neutralization of activities potentially supporting espionage, sabotage, subversion, and sedition. There are all sorts of Hostile Arab Palestinians that generate news media frenzies like this just to promote unrest. And if Tatour's action create any sort of unrest of seditious outcome, then conventional wisdom says "prosecute."

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, there are a couple ways of looking at this.

• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement).​

You forgot defending their rights.

You make the mistake of promoting the notion that

"• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement)."

is somehow defending ones rights. Obviously, for you and those like you, it's easy and convenient to urge others to do so when others will suffer the consequences.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, you are confused again.

Well, there are a couple ways of looking at this.

• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement).

You forgot defending their rights.

(REFERENCES)

Hague Regulation 1907
Article. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Article 68. Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.

(COMMENT)

Well, you can encourage them to defend whatever; --- BUT at the end of the day it is illegal and punishable under the Geneva Convention.

It is the responsibility of the Occupation Force to maintain public order and safety.

If you incite or otherwise encourage protected persons (Arab Palestinians) to harm the Occupation Power, cause serious damage to Occupation property or facilities, you are punishable under the law. If you encourage the use of deadly force, causing the death of members of the Occupation Power, you are punishable under the law.

Do not make the mistake of trying to encourage Arab Palestinian who don't know any better, to disrupt public order and safety, or harm the Occupation Power, making them think that it is internationally protected. It is simply not so. No matter what bogus argument you claim, no matter which non-binding resolution you cite, the fact of the matter is: it is punishable by law.

End of Story!

Most Respectfully,
R

Hague Regulation 1907​

Article. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.​

The rules of occupation places many obligations and restrictions on the occupying power. Israel thumbs its big fat nose at every one of them.

Article 68 is a thread all by itself. There is a lot more to it than punishing supposed criminals. Let's just say that Israel does not have the structures in place to invoke article 68.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, you are confused again.

Well, there are a couple ways of looking at this.

• Incitement to violence;
• Supporting a terrorist organization;
• Communicating a threat;
• Purposefully creating a confrontation (another form of incitement).

You forgot defending their rights.

(REFERENCES)

Hague Regulation 1907
Article. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Article 68. Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.

(COMMENT)

Well, you can encourage them to defend whatever; --- BUT at the end of the day it is illegal and punishable under the Geneva Convention.

It is the responsibility of the Occupation Force to maintain public order and safety.

If you incite or otherwise encourage protected persons (Arab Palestinians) to harm the Occupation Power, cause serious damage to Occupation property or facilities, you are punishable under the law. If you encourage the use of deadly force, causing the death of members of the Occupation Power, you are punishable under the law.

Do not make the mistake of trying to encourage Arab Palestinian who don't know any better, to disrupt public order and safety, or harm the Occupation Power, making them think that it is internationally protected. It is simply not so. No matter what bogus argument you claim, no matter which non-binding resolution you cite, the fact of the matter is: it is punishable by law.

End of Story!

Most Respectfully,
R

Hague Regulation 1907
Article. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.​

The rules of occupation places many obligations and restrictions on the occupying power. Israel thumbs its big fat nose at every one of them.

Article 68 is a thread all by itself. There is a lot more to it than punishing supposed criminals. Let's just say that Israel does not have the structures in place to invoke article 68.

There's an obvious case to be made that Article 43 simply doesn't apply with reference to the two competing Islamic terrorist franchises occupying the West Bank and Gaza. Further, "The authority of the legitimate power..." remains undefined now as it has during the recent history of the various Islamic terrorist franchises which have claimed authority over the disputed territories.

 

[Shusha]

Since when is threatening to murder Israeli Jews "defending your rights"?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, my posting was a thumbnail view of an involved but (oddly enough) not so complex or even (as legal and judicial systems go) complicated.

Hague Regulation 1907

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Hague Regulation 1907
Article. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

The rules of occupation places many obligations and restrictions on the occupying power. Israel thumbs its big fat nose at every one of them.

Article 68 is a thread all by itself. There is a lot more to it than punishing supposed criminals. Let's just say that Israel does not have the structures in place to invoke article 68.

(COMMENT)

This point of the exchanged dialog was that Israel has an obligation to maintain public order and safety, AND it has the authority to investigate and apprehend Hostile Arab Palestinians that commit such crime as intending to harm the Occupation Power (misdemeanor, felony and capital crimes).

THE POINT: It is not at all like, as you and your cohorts suggest, legal to target Israelis or otherwise commit crimes against the Occupation Power.

(SIDE NOTE)

Your implication that Israel does not have a system in place is absolutely wrong --- 100% wrong. The system is complex mixture of:

• Ottoman protocols
• Remnants from Orders in Council and Citizenship Laws (as amended)
• Mandate Regulations
• Jordanian Laws
• Israeli Law
​

In terms of the mechanism, it has:

• Local Arab Magistrate Courts
• Multiple District Courts
• Military Courts and Tribunals
• Appeals Court
​

I'm not in the legal or judicial system. But I can tell you that there is a system and set of procedures and protocols in place to deal with the entire array of civil and criminal law issues.

You may not like the system. I'm not sure if there is a perfect system anywhere in the world, but it is there. And Arab Palestinians contribute to the process.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Palestinian girl (tourist) dancing in Italy has gone viral in Italy.

 

[Phoenall]

You are starting to ramble because you have lost the argument. There is no such place as khazaria or khzars outside of literature. This is proven by the failure to provide one mention of them prior to the middle of the 20C. They are a LIE told by the RACIST JEW HATERS to incite violence against the Jews.

Look I Understand You Better Than You Think.Denial is in your dna make too even you know this,but like i said i`m done conversation grow up come back.

You understand nothing as it is your DNA and brainwashing talking.

The khazars are a LIE and never existed, if they had then the history books would be full of them. Not a whisper or a mention until the mid 20C when Israel won the war in 1967 and reclaimed their stolen lands. So the Russians gave the arab muslims two books and told them to use them against Israel. A pity the Internet came along and blew them both out of the water.

It is you in denial because your belief's have been burst apart and you have nothing left

lol,there land is still stole bbut the perpetrators,that are still there.Those would be khzarians that is not there land.There will be Peace when the Real Jews Have There Land Back.You just can`t seem to grasp this conceptual fact.

LINK to the evidence of these khazars that have never existed outside of islamonazi fantasies. The real Jews are claiming back their lands now, and they come from all over this planet. They are not sub Saharan muslims pretending to be Jews that have invaded Israel, nor are they N.K. Jews who think they are the ruling class and should be kicked out of Israel.


You cant grasp that there was never a place called khazaria and that the 6 million Jews in Israel originated from 4 Turkish women

Okay we`re not going back over the same thing.I showed you the real Jew and they ARE NOT WHITE,THEY ARE DARK SKIN EVEN JET BLACK.Quit being stupid.

So explain the Jews that never left Palestine and kept their blood pure, resulting in fair skinned and fair haired people. You are employing racism once again to prove that the only real Jews are African negro's. The last 2000 years has been long enough for the people to acclimatise to their surroundings through genetic mutations. Any race can be any colour as shown by the afro Americans that are getting lighter skinned all the time.

Now find one reference to Khazaria in any valid historical record prior to 1950 to prove your claims. When you do it will be the first one ever provided by anti Jew factions all over the world. All we have had is hanging heads and mumblings of " cos I say so "

 

[Phoenall]

Where is the racist terms and words in my posts ?

All what you`ve posted

Not good enough as that shows nothing, give examples of racism ?

You really can`t or don`t see it?

No because I come from a nation with very strict racism laws, so we learnt not to be racist in word or deed. Everything I have said is based on the truth meaning it cant be racist, unless you are a muslim then any criticism of islam or the muslims is racism

Well im not muslim.see just the fact that you cannot see racism because you are racist 1,it benefits you 2.And it does benefit the caucasians.

Yes I am racist, and with good cause due to the evidence available showing that certain races are inherently incapable of certain tasks.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinian girl (tourist) dancing in Italy has gone viral in Italy.

In Palestine she would have been stoned for being a prostitute and bringing dishonour on her family

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Lara Kiswani

Once again all you have is islamonazi propaganda and Palestinian talking points that have no basis in truth or reality. Proven by the recent blood libel regarding poisoned wells.

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Lara Kiswani

the are in with the real or true Palestinians.no doubt.The ones in your video are mixed.And it is not their land.

Those are Ethiopean Jews who were part of the diaspora 2000 years ago, of course they will be dark skinned after acclimatisation through mutation. As in a child born with blue eye's because both parents have blue eye's.

 

[Phoenall]

Happy ram-odon-a-ding-Don




The Palestinian Authority is teaching its population that the conflict with Israel is based on a religious ruling which is identical to a significant religious ruling of Hamas. This Islamic religious ruling holds that all the land of the State of Israel is an inalienable religious endowment - a waqf - of which it is "forbidden to relinquish a single grain of soil." This means that Palestinians are prohibited from accepting Israel's existence in any borders as that is violating the waqf.

nice reporting.But he mixed too and is not his birth right to that land,their are still original people left in that land .caucasians have`nt killed them all yet atleast not yet.

Yes and they are olive skinned dark eyed Jews that have 4,500 years of history on the land. The arab muslims have no legal or moral claims to the land and should be evicted

 

[Phoenall]

Happy ram-odon-a-ding-Don




The Palestinian Authority is teaching its population that the conflict with Israel is based on a religious ruling which is identical to a significant religious ruling of Hamas. This Islamic religious ruling holds that all the land of the State of Israel is an inalienable religious endowment - a waqf - of which it is "forbidden to relinquish a single grain of soil." This means that Palestinians are prohibited from accepting Israel's existence in any borders as that is violating the waqf.

nice reporting.But he mixed too and is not his birth right to that land,their are still original people left in that land .caucasians have`nt killed them all yet atleast not yet.

Do you think that everyone in the Middle East is Black like you? In fact, most appear to be of the Caucasian race, just a little darker than Europeans because they are closer to the Equator.. Perhaps you should stick to pushing your clothing line Melanin Apparel which was your avatar the other day. The members of the Boko Harfam will really go for those clothes.

Of course there are those here who overlook something like this.

Not that it matters,Yes all like me, they were all black before the introduction to white people,and they slept with them the ones you see today are those,same thing in china,you want see the originals.

You are too obsessed over race. You can believe all you want to, but if you look at the people closer to the Equator, they are very dark and as you move further away you see they keep on getting lighter because they don't need a dark skin as protection against the sun. Why do you think the Ethiopians are not as dark as those in the Congo, or why the people in Northern Africa, for example Morocco, look quite Caucasian? Now instead of being concerned with what race the Arabs are, why don't you design more T-Shirts. Perhaps a big department store will take on your collection and you will have famous people like Kanye West buying dozens of them, or maybe some of the viewers will fall in love with your line and do some on-line shopping.

I understand you,i do ,But Moroccoian are as black very dark,so were the true Arabs.And it doesn`t matter if stay in the pole or equator if you dark you will be dark 100 or more at the poles and nevr loose melanin.Maybe you need to research alil better.

Actually you will as it is one of the laws of nature, and it is noticeable after just a short time of 3 to 5 generations. You don't need the carcinogenic pigments for protection so you lose them over time.

 

[Phoenall]

Less simplified this true jews us are in our true land,Israel is still capture by those invaders that suckered all people except a few,That whole land being run over by intruders Fake jew-ish scum in Israel,just as here america invaders captured this land it is not nor can be caucasians land.

Nor can it be Negro's land, or Mongolian land. It is Judea that is inhabited by the Jews and no usurpers can claim that it is African land. Look at the map and see how far north Israel is compared to the horn of Africa, and work out skin tones for that latitude right round the world

 

[gt1085]

Wow,Wrong,See caucasians should just do caucasians only,You do not about our history and you won`t until we teach it.So at this rate you will never know and we know this ,You just don`t.