Who are the 47 million Americans who ‘don’t have health care?”

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    I came upon this and it addresses the 47 million Americans who are constantly being referenced as being uninsured. The website name is laughable, but the numbers are sound.

    Who are the 47 million Americans who ‘don’t have health care?”
    August 27, 2008 — whatthecrap?

    In 2006 the U.S. Census Bureau reported that 46.6 million are people without health insurance. You hear this number all the time today in discussions on what our public policy should be towards health care (particularly - socialized healthcare). But who are these 46.6 million people? Here are a couple things you probably won’t hear from politicians, whether Democratic or Republican:

    1. Of that 46.6 million, 9.5 million were not United States Citizens
    2. Another 17 million of those people live in households exceeding $50,000 and could purchase healthcare but choose to invest their money in other things.
    3. 18 million were between the age of 18-34, most in good health - and either not in need of coverage - or chose not to purchase it (that includes me for a while there). (Also, note that this stat likely overlaps with the one above as commentor Kottcamp reminded me.)
    4. 70% of the non-elderly population that become uninsured in a given year - are reinsured in less than one year.

    Here are a couple other statistics about healthcare in Canada and Europe:

    Canada:

    1. More than 825,000 Canadians are on waiting lists for surgery and other necessary treatments.
    2. 15 years ago the average wait for Canadians was 9 weeks - today it’s 15 weeks.
    3. Over the past 10 years, 11% of physicians trained in Canada have moved to the United States.

    Britain:

    1. More than 1 million citizens are waiting for hospital admission.
    2. Another 200,000 are waiting to get on the waiting list.
    3. Each year - the national health service cancels around 100,000 operations.
    4. Britain has a government agency that’s sole purpose is to limit citizens access (rationing) to prescription drugs.

    Some other important items:

    1. 85 new drugs hit the U.S. market from 1998-2002.
    2. During that same period - only 44 of those drugs became available in Europe.
    3. More than half of the 175 billion dollars in health care technology products purchased throughout the world are produced in the United States.
    4. Between 1999-2005 the United States was responsible for the sale of 71% of new pharmaceutical drugs (the next two largest - Japan and Germany accounted for only 4% each).

    Who are the 47 million Americans who ‘don’t have health care?” What The Crap? - whatthecrap.us
     
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    Here are some responses to the issues raised in objection to changing the current healthcare system. Let me point out that I do have excellent coverage through a PPO which cost’s my employer about $20K per year ($12,000 net of tax).

    Of the 9.5 million uninsured that are not US citizens how many were Legal permanent Residents or others subject to US tax?

    Ever wonder why an ER band aid is $20?

    Under current policy if an individual walks or is brought into an emergency room for treatment at a county medical center treatment will be provided regardless of ability to pay. If the individual is uninsured or can’t pay the cost is borne by the care provider. The care provider must then spread the cost to those with insurance.

    By providing preventative care the overall cost of treatment goes down and benefits all consumers because an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

    This assumes that the 17M people are allowed to purchase health insurance. If these households contain individuals with serious medical issues and the household is not eligible to participate in a group insurance plan, insurance will be extremely expensive or, in many cases, impossible to obtain.

    So, a portion of these are included in the above example? If we take the two together it sounds like the number is talking about individuals in the 18-34 range that are not in households making more than $50K per year. I would think that would comprise the bulk of the American uninsured so I am not sure why we would disregard them.

    How can we be sure “most of them are in good health”, because they don’t independently buy health insurance? That’s a circular argument, for example, are pregnant women between 18-34 considered to be “in good health” and “not in need of coverage”?

    If a child is born that needs to go into the neonatal ICU because of poor prenatal care and the mother is uninsured, guess who picks up the bill? That’s right, everyone else with health insurance. That’s a whole lot of money to shell out on the back end when we didn’t want to spring for prenatal vitamins on the front end.


    Here are a couple other statistics about healthcare in Canada and Europe:

    Canada:

    Or:

    Per the OECD
    Infant mortality rate 24% lower than in the U.S. (4.8 per 1,000 live births vs. 6.3 in the US)
    Under-five mortality rate 24% lower than in the U.S. (5.9 vs. 7.8 per 1,000 live births)
    Health expenditure per capita 48% Lower ($3,165 vs. $6,100 per capita)

    Britain:

    Or:

    Per the OECD
    Infant mortality rate 24% lower than in the U.S. (4.8 per 1,000 live births vs. 6.3 in the US)
    Under-five mortality rate 23% lower than in the U.S. (6.0 vs. 7.8 per 1,000 live births)
    Health expenditure per capita 58% Lower ($2,546 vs. $6,100 per capita)

    Some other important items:

    How many of these were useful against life threatening illnesses and how many were market driven solutions to cure male impotence or heartburn?

    This makes sense as European standards are much higher

    How would universal health insurance in the US impact international sales of medical technology?

    Again, How many of these were useful against life threatening illnesses and how many were market driven solutions to cure male impotence or heartburn?
     
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    Ah... but you also ASSume that infant mortality rate is directly attributed to the healthcare system, and not also situations at hand... heroin addicted babies etc... pregnant moms with special needs coming to America for more risky procedures etc....

    The fact is that the quality of health care facilities, doctors, etc is highest here in the US... more types of procedures and more types of advanced procedures are readily available here in the US than anywhere else...

    And I am still looking for where the constitutional right to healthcare is... and the constitutional right for others to take over your personal health, care, and upkeep responsibilities is..
     
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    you do realize that you're posting from a blog called "whatthecrap"? right?
     
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    I would normally just ignore this but its lunch time and I finished my Ruben early

    You are right Dave, infant and child mortality has nothing to do with healthcare, or if it does the reason America is so down on the list is because of all those foreigners bring us all their high risk pregnancies and then all those babies dying. Remember the numbers are per LIVE births.

    My argument is that with proper prenatal care we may be able to reduce the number of Heroin addicted babies by providing treatment to the potential parents, so that claim validates my argument, thanks.

    Should be, we spend 2-3 times as much on healthcare as other industrialized nations. Even nations that boast much better public health statistics than we do. Americans are getting ripped off.

    It doesn’t…yet, just like it didn’t provide for a woman’s right to vote (19th Amendment); or an income tax (16th Amendment); or that slavery and involuntary servitude were incompatible with liberty (13th amendment); or that that the bill of rights applied to the states . Besides, the constitution itself deals with limits on the federal government’s power so that’s always going to be a looser of an argument for positive rights.

    I like to look to the Preamble of the Constitution where it states that the role of government is to promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty.

    Or the Declaration of independence where it states

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    I (along with many) feel that one of our unalienable rights in a modern society is healthcare.
     
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    Even if what you are saying is true, that still leaves 10 million Americans without insurance that want it.

    What takes place in countries with socialized medicine like Canada and Britain has nothing to do with what Obama is talking about. He just wants the government to help lower costs, not control the industry to the point that we have waiting lines for treatment.

    How is trying to lower the rate of disease in this country a bad thing?
     
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    So 10 million out of 300 million is roughly 3% of the U.S. population. We should set up a new healthcare plan for the 3%? BTW, from the statistics I've seen 80% of the people are happy with their healthcare plan, already.
     
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    Everyone in America can get free healthcare. It's called the emergency room. So since everyone can get free healthcare the question becomes, How do we pay for it? Do we have a bloated, expensive, and inefficient system where insurance companies, liability lawyers, and Big Pharma feast on the sick, or do we have a single payer system which has been shown to be HALF as expensive per capita? Most Republicans want to continue to pay huge premiums to bloated insurance companies because they have been brainwashed by corporate lobbyists. Meanwhile, the rest of the world laughs at us and our stupidity.
     
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    And some of us just scratch our heads and wonder why so many people don't or won't get it :confused:
     
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    Right, all the cons should be bitching about how our ER's don't turn away folks without valid insurance cards. I think that what they would like to see happen in order for their insurance rate to go down.
     

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