White Woman Had To Die - Again, Where Is The Outrage?

[kurtsprincess]

I understand all that, and I agree.

I'm merely pointing out that the argument that 'hate crime' statutes shouldn't be implemented because the justice system shouldn't get involved with the "state of mind of the perpetrator" is a bad argument because courts get involved in the "state of mind of the perpetrator" regularly, quite absent the pursuit of the prosecution of a 'hate crime' to begin with.

All I'm saying is if one wishes to get rid of hate-crime legislation one will have to conceive a better argument.

So, Z, is your line of reasoning that because a specific criteria is used for one type of crime, it should be applied to all?

 

[Markainion]

So, Z, is your line of reasoning that because a specific criteria is used for one type of crime, it should be applied to all?

Princess you get my meager rep point for the day. Most hate crime laws vary per state and I don’t think any specific state specifically states white versus other minorities. But from what have read it seems to not to apply to whites, at least with respect to protection. Unfortunately it probably do to mostly dumb weak willed whites, who still fear a racial backless if they enforce the laws equally.


A link to article on this subject
http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/13/sorry/

Although a gang of black boys (up to 30!) beat four white girls bloody while calling them “white crackers” and shouting “black power,” the cops say it’s not a hate crime. No explanation appears in the article.
According to the New York penal code (crime occurred in New York), a hate crime is an offense “committed against persons intentionally selected ‘because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation’ of those persons.”
Beating white females and calling them “white crackers.” Sounds like a hate crime to me. Then again, who am I but a reasonable person living in the real world and not a pre-programmed politically correct grievance shopper living in a socialist utopia inside my own head?
Read about another non-hate crime where black football players knocked out a white man while he was dancing with his black wife because he’s a white man married to a black woman.
Judges in Georgia struck down this nonsense.
Remember the Hmong immigrant who killed white people in Wisconsin? Not a hate crime.
Imagine a couple of white men beating a homosexual to a bloody pulp while shouting “fag.” Wait a minute…that happened. The sordid incident was made into a made-for-TV movie! Both killers are serving life. And yes, it was called a hate crime.
Hate crime laws are designed to punish the thoughts of white, straight, males. [Lest liberals think I’m calling all white males charged with hate crimes “Christians,” I decided to strike it from the description.] Only blacks, homosexuals, Hispanics and Muslims (women, too, on a good day) are protected under these laws. I’m black, so I guess I qualify for the skin privilege.

 

[Zhukov]

So, Z, is your line of reasoning that because a specific criteria is used for one type of crime, it should be applied to all?

No.

 

[kurtsprincess]

Thank you M!!!

BTW.....have you seen the movie "Crash" that came out a couple of months ago.

Great commentary on bigotry and racism.....

 

[William Joyce]

dumb weak willed whites

That's our people!

Gotta love us. We do so hope nobody thinks we're racist... even if we're dead.

 

[Markainion]

That's our people!

Gotta love us. We do so hope nobody thinks we're racist... even if we're dead.

I really like when people quote me out of content. Personally I think its whites that are the biggest problem for racial double standards. After all if were the majority and hold most the power, then we should take most of the blame. But beyond this I don't think what many whites are doing by focusing on white racism is a bad thing. I just wish more minorities will take note, and do more to stop racism within their own groups as well.

 

[William Joyce]

we should take most of the blame.

Blame for what?

 

[KarlMarx]

Does NY state have "hate-crime" laws? If so, this guy would be a prime example of someone who should be prosecuted under them. (I am still against hate-crime laws, however.)

Yes, NY does have hate crime laws, but I don't believe that whites are covered....

 

[KarlMarx]

All our society needs is a modern black version of the KKK.

It does, have you ever heard of the NAACP?

 

[hylandrdet]

I really like when people quote me out of content. Personally I think its whites that are the biggest problem for racial double standards. After all if were the majority and hold most the power, then we should take most of the blame. But beyond this I don't think what many whites are doing by focusing on white racism is a bad thing. I just wish more minorities will take note, and do more to stop racism within their own groups as well.

Fair enough. I agree; all I ever asked from myself is to walk down the streets, with a skeptical attitude towards everyone, not just one specific group.

The idea of a man from UTAH, trying to teach a man originally from Detroit, about black violence, was the most disgusting display of ignorance ever read.

 

[Markainion]

Fair enough. I agree; all I ever asked from myself is to walk down the streets, with a skeptical attitude towards everyone, not just one specific group.

The idea of a man from UTAH, trying to teach a man originally from Detroit, about black violence, was the most disgusting display of ignorance ever read.

Your know Hylandrdet I posted one statistic from a credible source and you jumped at it as it was totally a lie. Then I tried to show you how both claim could be true and you jumped all over how you grew up in Detroit so you know better. I walked down more violent inner cities than Detroit. My Brother served a mission in inner city Richmond Virginia for two years at the time often switching back and forth with Washing DC as the most violent city in America. Doing numerous community service actives beyond just preaching to the people in the neighborhoods he served. I visited the region after his mission was complete to meet a number of people he served.

My brother didn’t leave the region fearing blacks more than when he left. He gained respect for many living there as well. You’re the one with the attitude of just avoid certain neighborhoods and let blacks kill black with nothing being said. I think that it is far more ignorant than I have ever said. You’re the one that seems to fear the truth. I wonder why you go to such lengths to ignore them.

 

[hylandrdet]

Your know Hylandrdet I posted one statistic from a credible source and you jumped at it as it was totally a lie. Then I tried to show you how both claim could be true and you jumped all over how you grew up in Detroit so you know better. I walked down more violent inner cities than Detroit. My Brother served a mission in inner city Richmond Virginia for two years at the time often switching back and forth with Washing DC as the most violent city in America. Doing numerous community service actives beyond just preaching to the people in the neighborhoods he served. I visited the region after his mission was complete to meet a number of people he served.

My brother didn’t leave the region fearing blacks more than when he left. He gained respect for many living there as well. You’re the one with the attitude of just avoid certain neighborhoods and let blacks kill black with nothing being said. I think that it is far more ignorant than I have ever said. You’re the one that seems to fear the truth. I wonder why you go to such lengths to ignore them.

Go back and read YOUR postings again. It is your postings that promoted segregation by suggesting that black people are dangerous, therefore stay away.

I only suggested that you should stay away from them if you're "that scared" of them. I, on the other hand, will go to work tommorrow, building a house, with a predominately black crew that respects me as a person.

Sorry rookie, but I don't like people who spews garbage about another culture, then tries to blame it on someone else. I'm not the one scared of black people, YOU are.

 

[Markainion]

Go back and read YOUR postings again. It is your postings that promoted segregation by suggesting that black people are dangerous, therefore stay away.

I only suggested that you should stay away from them if you're "that scared" of them. I, on the other hand, will go to work tommorrow, building a house, with a predominately black crew that respects me as a person.

Sorry rookie, but I don't like people who spews garbage about another culture, then tries to blame it on someone else. I'm not the one scared of black people, YOU are.

I am tired of these stupid debates with your. Your simple going to see what you want to see within what I say, beyond that I have no clue why you continue to jump on what I post. As for the record I am against segregation, I am against racism, and I am against hate crime laws. As for hate crime laws I am against them because there nothing more than makeup cover-up a deficiently in law enforcement, and continues the perception that white society is racist against all non-whites. As for racism in general there is more racism in all racial groups than I would like to see.

Perceptions of a double standard based on partial facts or not only continues the racial divide, I learned something from working with minorities too, that people who feel like their in the same boat as each other for the most part can see beyond race. It’s only when we are constantly be pointed out that there is difference between each other that racism continues in American, to many people on both side of these issue are feeling like society is against them.

The posts that I posted that came across mostly against African Americans were mostly designed to point out that certain segments of white society were not harmful to minorities. The KKK and other similar groups are no longer commuting the pre 1970’s scale of violence on minorities. My post was mostly designed for a white audience, which I have gathered from the last few months the majority people on this sight are, and to stop the white double standard against other whites, because to many poor white in my opinion are being treated worse than minorities are. Not to say, that I wouldn’t prefer both groups being treated better than they are currently, to me it would be the fastest way to end racism in America.

 

[William Joyce]

the fastest way to end racism in America.

To my mind, the fastest way to end racism in America is to let the races go their separate ways, as they wish. What exacerbates racism is the constant unwanted integration. It's like a divorce, you know? This "marriage" isn't working. So let's call it off. It's the decent thing to do.