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Discussion in 'Race Relations/Racism' started by Truthmatters, Apr 1, 2008.

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    Do you also object to different punishment for different types of murder? If not, why not?

    The emotion isn't criminalized. It is simply used as a mitigating factor in sentencing. And many, many crimes can carry different punishments for many, many reasons. There are almost always mitigating factors to take into account.
     
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    No. But we're talking about the EXACT same criminal act. Not two different types, so this question is not relevant.

    And I have no problem with a judge considering all factors in a crime when determining an appropriate sentence. But I do have a problem with mandatory sentencing laws of any kind, especially one that is based on the alleged presense of a particular human emotion.
     
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    I don't understand why you think the intent for murder being weighed in a wrongful death charge is not the same as the intent for any crime being weighed. Intent is what is normally taken into account in either case.

    Also, I'm pretty sure hate crimes carry no mandatory sentencing. In fact I remember reading of a suit brought because a judge ignored mandatory sentencing when he determined the intent...he sentenced a stiffer penalty.
     
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    I guess they're just symbolic then and this whole argument is moot. :doubt:
     
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    Like the second amendment?

    I do understand your misgivings, I'm just not sure how valid they are. How do you feel about terrorism in general...the ultimate hate crime.
     
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    It's actually pretty simple. I believe criminal acts should be prosecuted. I also believe that judges should be allowed to exercise judgement in handing down sentences.
     
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    That's an answer? Like I said, you should be a politician.

    btw, SCOTUS ruled in 2005 that federal judges don't have to stick to mandatory minimums.
     

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