White House Petition To Strip Citizenship Of Signers To Seccession Petition

[Katzndogz]

The new country will be called The United Flakes of America.

Yes, that's what the United States will be renamed after leftists are left here all by themselves.

Ah yes, although the People's Republic of America might be more appropriate.

obamaland
FreeStuffia
obamamerica
Newmerica with a flag composed of bloody handprints.

 

[HUGGY]

69 petitions covering all 50 states have been circulated to secede from the united States.

The White House threatened stripping citizenship of anyone who signs it.

Kind of harsh don't you think?

American citizens have the right to express themselves in many ways, if a few, or a few thousand choose to sign such a petition they have the right to do so as did those who burned our flag in the past.

Too many on the right seem to want a new Civil War, comments on the sale of guns and ammo are not uncommon on this message board and are, in my opinion, reprehensible and stain the graves of all those who died to protect their freedom to speak foolishly.

You already stained the graves of all those who died to protect our freedom to speak foolishly or otherwise when you cast your vote for that prick in the White House. I never thought there would come a day when I would say I was ashamed that my father served in World War II. But, that day came nine days ago. I can't believe he went through what he went through in his life due to the war, only for this country to shit on him and elect that Mussolini-wanna' be which stinks up the White House.

Unhinged much? What a fuckin drama queen. As much as it entertains many to see you piss on yourself.. Try to remember that there is something to be said for the will of the people and the states. If you want to win so friggin bad it is encumbant on you to present better candidates. You will have another shot in four years.

 

[Againsheila]

So does that mean, if we all sign it we are illegals and are entitled to jobs, free healthcare, welfare, foodstamps and amnesty?

 

[Borillar]

Sweet....If I sign the secession petition for Wisconsin, can I be exiled to Costa Rica or the Dominican Republic?

If it's the tropics you want, how about sunny Guantanamo Bay?

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is not a WH petition.

That is merely a petition on the WH server on which all can submit petitions, including the secessionists.

Do you understand this?

69 petitions covering all 50 states have been circulated to secede from the united States.

The White House threatened stripping citizenship of anyone who signs it.

Kind of harsh don't you think?

White House Threatens Citizenship and Exile Secession Petition*Signers
source: The Weekly Standard

A White House petition gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state’s*secession.

“Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported,” the full petition reads.*

The title of the petition is, “WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.”

As of this writing, 2,205 have signed the petition; 22,795 more signatures are needed for the issue to be addressed by the White House.



The Washington Times reports on the numerous petitions to secede on the White House’s website:

It’s traditional for Americans to threaten to move to*France*or*Canada*when their candidate loses, but this year some disappointed voters are implementing a different plan.

In the wake of the Nov. 6 election, petitions seeking to secede from the union have been filed on behalf of 23 states on the*White House*website, https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions. Most of the petitions contain the same wording and ask to withdraw “peacefully” from the United States in order to form independent governments.

 

[emilynghiem]

Unhinged much? What a fuckin drama queen. As much as it entertains many to see you piss on yourself.. Try to remember that there is something to be said for the will of the people and the states. If you want to win so friggin bad it is encumbant on you to present better candidates. You will have another shot in four years.

Not really. Once the cycle starts of pandering to voters by offering amnesty with benefits; health care paid for by federal mandates penalizing taxpayers (instead of rewarding people for creating their own solutions to providing housing, health care and social services SUSTAINABLY to take this burden off govt); and demonizing any other party pushing for checks or limits govt as trying to take benefits away from the poor to give to the rich; then you are looking at election after election of dependent populations voting that vastly outnumber the people who have the knowledge and experience for financial independence.

It is not a fair way to represent the public, but that's how the majority rule game will work, same as with this election, if people don't get actively involved. I would recommend adding representation by party, and involving input from all sides in resolving conflicts and creating policies, so that majority rule is not abused to deny equal representation to all persons.

The way I see around this is organizing the independent parties around solutions to the various issues, and recognizing equal choice to fund local substitutes instead of the ACA and other govt-mandated required programs. People should be encouraged and rewarded for taking on responsibilty for investing in and operating cost-effective services for housing, education and health care, without depending on govt or elected officials/parties, but instead reducing the burden on govt. We can still be equal even with half the population or more depending on govt to organize their resources and services for them, as long as these decisions and programs are not imposed on everyone else who can fund independent solutions that work just as well if not better. There has to be free and equal choice, not one group's programs mandated with the cost imposed on dissenting citizens against their will.

We would not only have to educate the public on the role of govt under Constitutional structures, and AGREE what systems to use for which policies, services and programs,
but also have direct agreement among party leaders to stick to that plan and quit competing to overrule the other parties by bullying and coercion by majority rule. If ideas are so good then these can be proven to work effectively, where people choose to fund them willingly.

We would have to enforce that type of approach, and quit playing these games of buying and selling votes to get elected based on pandering to false promises that are outside of Constitutional laws or agreements. Need to get back to the unifying principles and laws, or else we are going to cause even more problems to ourselves at the rate we are going now.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Emily, clap trap.

The pseudo-intellectualism of the far right, the pseudo-science of the far right, the religious bigotry of the far right -- none of that will wash anymore.

We will follow the sensible conservatives of the party, not you flaming reactionaries anymore.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Emily, clap trap.

The pseudo-intellectualism of the far right, the pseudo-science of the far right, the religious bigotry of the far right -- none of that will wash anymore.

We will follow the sensible conservatives of the party, not you flaming reactionaries anymore.

What page did you find these leftist talking points on?

 

[Toro]

This thread belongs in the Conspiracy forum.

Here's the petition...It really exists.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...igned-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

Request denied.

I just created a petition to have you removed as a moderator here at USMB.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-oddball-moderator-usmb/gqR7c9Mt

 

[Sallow]

Sweet....If I sign the secession petition for Wisconsin, can I be exiled to Costa Rica or the Dominican Republic?

You don't need to be "exiled" to go.

What's stopping ya?

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Sweet....If I sign the secession petition for Wisconsin, can I be exiled to Costa Rica or the Dominican Republic?

You don't need to be "exiled" to go.

What's stopping ya?

Not enough Obama bucks?

 

[MisterBeale]

As it turns out, the White House doesn't need to issue an Executive Order to punish signers of petitions of secession. If they even suspect that such signers are a threat to national security, Obama has already created a "legal" (but not naturally lawful) framework to indefinitely detain them. Yep, that's right, round them up secretly and throw away the key. And this was reported from a very LIBERAL source!

Obama Justifies FEMA imprisonment of civilians! - YouTube

That video is from May 2009.

The law that came out of that was the NDAA.

It does not, contrary to what many media outlets have reported, authorize the president to indefinitely detain without trial an American citizen suspected of terrorism who is captured in the US. A last minute compromise amendment adopted in the Senate, whose language was retained in the final bill, leaves it up to the courts to decide if the president has that power, should a future president try to exercise it. But if a future president does try to assert the authority to detain an American citizen without charge or trial, it won’t be based on the authority in this bill….


The language in the bill that relates to the detention authority as far as US citizens and permanent residents are concerned is, “Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.”
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Mother Jones:

I am aware that this video came out several years ago, I am not sure what your point is on that count. Likewise, I'm aware that this law pertains to the NDAA. This is about as much as we agree on.

Your source is widely known as a propaganda source, and is nothing more than a mouth piece for George Soros' Foundation for National Progress. The Foundation for National Progress is a client organization of the Open Society Institute.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Open_Society_Institute

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_American_Progress

Currently, this issue is going to the supreme court. The administration does however deem it to apply to anyone suspected of helping, advocating for "terrorists," or in anyway indicating that they are a threat to the Federal Government of the United States. (Bare in mind, they are the ones who get to define what a "terrorist" is.) Whether they are journalists, lawyers, contractors, businessmen, bankers, or what have you. It does not matter whether they are citizens or not. This Mother Jones piece was merely meant as a liberal cover piece to make the administration look good to those ignorant few who are content to keep their heads in the sand who don't wish to read multiple sources of media in order to tune in to the reality of what is really going on. Come on, pay attention, will ya?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/ndaa-case-indefinite-dentention_n_1885204.html

WASHINGTON -- Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.

The lawyers made the argument on Friday in seeking a stay of the ruling, issued earlier this week by Judge Katherine Forrest in the Southern District of New York.

Forrest had ruled on behalf of a group of journalists and activists who said they feared the government could grab them under section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012. That section affirms the administration's right to detain any "person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces," including U.S. citizens.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/11581-administration-asks-appeals-court-for-stay-on-indefinite-detention-ban-triggers-constitutional-showdown

In January I sued President Barack Obama over Section 1021(b)(2) of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which authorized the military to detain U.S. citizens indefinitely, strip them of due process and hold them in military facilities, including offshore penal colonies. Last week, round one in the battle to strike down the onerous provision, one that saw me joined by six other plaintiffs including Noam Chomsky and Daniel Ellsberg, ended in an unqualified victory for the public. U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest, who accepted every one of our challenges to the law, made her temporary injunction of the section permanent. In short, she declared the law unconstitutional.

Almost immediately after Judge Forrest ruled, the Obama administration challenged the decision. Government prosecutors called the opinion "unprecedented" and said that "the government has compelling arguments that it should be reversed." The government added that it was an "extraordinary injunction of worldwide scope." Government lawyers asked late Friday for an immediate stay of Forrest's ban on the use of the military in domestic policing and on the empowering of the government to strip U.S. citizens of due process. The request for a stay was an attempt by the government to get the judge, pending appeal to a higher court, to grant it the right to continue to use the law. Forrest swiftly rejected the stay, setting in motion a fast-paced appeal to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and possibly, if her ruling is upheld there, to the Supreme Court of the United States. The Justice Department sent a letter to Forrest and the 2nd Circuit late Friday night informing them that at 9 a.m. Monday the Obama administration would ask the 2nd Circuit for an emergency stay that would lift Forrest's injunction. This would allow Obama to continue to operate with indefinite detention authority until a formal appeal was heard. The government's decision has triggered a constitutional showdown between the president and the judiciary.

Don't be such a partisan falling for that BS propaganda. It will cause you to not fight for the Bill of Rights and your Natural Rights given by virtue of your existence and creation, not virtue of government. If rights were given by government, they wouldn't call them rights, they would call them privileges.

 

[Barb]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jefferson fought the anti-intellectualism, the anti-science, and religious fundamentalism in his party in 1800. Same thing today in the conservative party.

Emily, clap trap.

The pseudo-intellectualism of the far right, the pseudo-science of the far right, the religious bigotry of the far right -- none of that will wash anymore.

We will follow the sensible conservatives of the party, not you flaming reactionaries anymore.

What page did you find these leftist talking points on?

 

[uscitizen]

Some random person submits a mocking petition for those stupid secesh ones, and Mud here thinks it's "The White House."

How embarrassing for the OP.

The petition asking the president to sign an executive order was posted on the White House site here: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...igned-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf


I love it when liberals turn out to be wrong.

You really are not very bright are you?

 

[uscitizen]

On the other hand they are wanting to give up their rights as US citizens so why should it bother them if it happens?

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Whoever wrote this simply has no clue. But, then again, as it says, it's satire.

Further, curious portion in this piece of satire. "Anyone receiving payments for Social Security, Mediciare(sic), Medicaid and Disability will have to reapply and Congress will decide if foreigners are allowed to receive payments from the US government."

That question has already been answered and, it's been in the affirmative. Foreigners already are allowed to receive those payments from the US government.

Further, the writer of this satire obviously doesn't understand the function of the National Guard. Which, could likely protect the borders from foreign invaders, drug smugglers, terrorists and illegal aliens just fine. Maybe even, better than the Coast Guard operated under this federal government, can.

 

[Meathead]

Whoever wrote this simply has no clue. But, then again, as it says, it's satire.

Further, curious portion in this piece of satire. "Anyone receiving payments for Social Security, Mediciare(sic), Medicaid and Disability will have to reapply and Congress will decide if foreigners are allowed to receive payments from the US government."

That question has already been answered and, it's been in the affirmative. Foreigners already are allowed to receive those payments from the US government.

Further, the writer of this satire obviously doesn't understand the function of the National Guard. Which, could likely protect the borders from foreign invaders, drug smugglers, terrorists and illegal aliens just fine. Maybe even, better than the Coast Guard operated under this federal government, can.

The response is easy, allow those who want to leave Texas (huddled masses yearning to eat free) to flood into the People's Republic of America. Install corridors for other Mexicans to access the PRA border, then deploy the Texas National Guard, the considerable remaining military assets and militias to prepare for an invasion once the reality of the situation sink in.

Satire again of course. However, be careful what you wish for.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There are no "remaining military" weapons systems. It all belongs to the USA.

As the USA troops leave Texas, the Mexican army rolls across the Rio Grande and its AF patrols the skies.

 

[varelse]

There are no "remaining military" weapons systems. It all belongs to the USA.

As the USA troops leave Texas, the Mexican army rolls across the Rio Grande and its AF patrols the skies.

There is no Mexican military- or government, for that matter; there are only the cartels