White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'

[Sun Devil 92]

More tin foil for the hater dupe conspiracists!

Blah blah blah blah.....

Glad to see you've added another word to your vocabulary.

That makes what ? 51 ?

"Vaporous."

742 verbal out of 800, Pubtroll know nothings. This a typical partisan RW judge,to be knocked down again. duh

You bet....57 states too.......

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

 

[Arianrhod]

Blah blah blah blah.....

Glad to see you've added another word to your vocabulary.

That makes what ? 51 ?

"Vaporous."

742 verbal out of 800, Pubtroll know nothings. This a typical partisan RW judge,to be knocked down again. duh

You bet....57 states too.......

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

OP was posted almost four years ago. You lot haven't said anything original since.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

[Crickets]

 

[francoHFW]

Blah blah blah blah.....

Glad to see you've added another word to your vocabulary.

That makes what ? 51 ?

"Vaporous."

742 verbal out of 800, Pubtroll know nothings. This a typical partisan RW judge,to be knocked down again. duh

You bet....57 states too.......

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

It's a penalty AND a tax, dumbass dupe. BS GOP propaganda relies on the ignorance and stupidity of the chumps.

See the dupes' love of scam GOP health care policies. Dems can never believe how ignorant the dupes are...500k bankruptcies a year used to be peolple who thought they had good insurance. NO MORE, dopes.

 

[dblack]

The whole penalty vs tax thing is just typical Washington doublespeak. The more interest angle is the reasoning Roberts used to justify allowing a law that most people recognize as an abuse of state power. What Roberts saw was that, regardless of what we choose to call it, the mandate is no different in function and form than the multitude of tax 'incentives' that Congress uses to exert power. And that striking down the mandate would make all of those other 'mandates/tax-incentives' subject to the same challenge.

More concretely, if the Court were to recognize that it's wrong for government to force us to buy insurance from their corporate sponsors via the tax code, they'd be forced to acknowledge that it's also wrong to mandate that we take out home loans, or invest in 'green' energy, or have children, etc, etc.... It would unravel a critical pillar of Congressional power. THAT's what Roberts was unwilling to do.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

"Vaporous."

742 verbal out of 800, Pubtroll know nothings. This a typical partisan RW judge,to be knocked down again. duh

You bet....57 states too.......

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

It's a penalty AND a tax, dumbass dupe. BS GOP propaganda relies on the ignorance and stupidity of the chumps.

See the dupes' love of scam GOP health care policies. Dems can never believe how ignorant the dupes are...500k bankruptcies a year used to be peolple who thought they had good insurance. NO MORE, dopes.

Politifact skewers Ed Shultz on his claim costs are going down:

Ed Schultz: Obamacare is driving costs down

Got a link on bankruptcies going down ?

I can't find any recent data.

 

[Arianrhod]

One of the first promises Paul Ryan made when elected Speaker back in October was that the GOP would be announcing their replacement for the PPACA...any...day...now...

Was this the same plan they've been about to announced since 2008 or a different one? Maybe Sun Devil can tell us.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The whole penalty vs tax thing is just typical Washington doublespeak. The more interest angle is the reasoning Roberts used to justify allowing a law that most people recognize as an abuse of state power. What Roberts saw was that, regardless of what we choose to call it, the mandate is no different in function and form than the multitude of tax 'incentives' that Congress uses to exert power. And that striking down the mandate would make all of those other 'mandates/tax-incentives' subject to the same challenge.

More concretely, if the Court were to recognize that it's wrong for government to force us to buy insurance from their corporate sponsors via the tax code, they'd be forced to acknowledge that it's also wrong to mandate that we take out home loans, or invest in 'green' energy, or have children, etc, etc.... It would unravel a critical pillar of Congressional power. THAT's what Roberts was unwilling to do.

Corporate sponsors ???

I guess that would fit.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

"Vaporous."

742 verbal out of 800, Pubtroll know nothings. This a typical partisan RW judge,to be knocked down again. duh

You bet....57 states too.......

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

It's a penalty AND a tax, dumbass dupe. BS GOP propaganda relies on the ignorance and stupidity of the chumps.

See the dupes' love of scam GOP health care policies. Dems can never believe how ignorant the dupes are...500k bankruptcies a year used to be peolple who thought they had good insurance. NO MORE, dopes.

Still waiting that data on medical bankruptcies.

 

[francoHFW]

742 verbal out of 800, Pubtroll know nothings. This a typical partisan RW judge,to be knocked down again. duh

You bet....57 states too.......

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

It's a penalty AND a tax, dumbass dupe. BS GOP propaganda relies on the ignorance and stupidity of the chumps.

See the dupes' love of scam GOP health care policies. Dems can never believe how ignorant the dupes are...500k bankruptcies a year used to be peolple who thought they had good insurance. NO MORE, dopes.

Still waiting that data on medical bankruptcies.

Google it, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[Arianrhod]

^They keep asking that question, they've been presented with the data, then they dismiss them because they come from a source that isn't Breitbart or WeaselZippers.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

You bet....57 states too.......

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

It's a penalty AND a tax, dumbass dupe. BS GOP propaganda relies on the ignorance and stupidity of the chumps.

See the dupes' love of scam GOP health care policies. Dems can never believe how ignorant the dupes are...500k bankruptcies a year used to be peolple who thought they had good insurance. NO MORE, dopes.

Still waiting that data on medical bankruptcies.

Google it, brainwashed functional moron.

It's great to see that the "educated" left can always find a label for someone who calls them on their inability to provide support.

You fit right in with morons who make statements about things like "primary sources" but just can't seem to provide them when asked.

I did google it....and found nothing recent.

My parents used to teach me that people like you only revealed just how un-"educated" you really are.

Thanks for playing.

 

[francoHFW]

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

It's a penalty AND a tax, dumbass dupe. BS GOP propaganda relies on the ignorance and stupidity of the chumps.

See the dupes' love of scam GOP health care policies. Dems can never believe how ignorant the dupes are...500k bankruptcies a year used to be peolple who thought they had good insurance. NO MORE, dopes.

Still waiting that data on medical bankruptcies.

Google it, brainwashed functional moron.

It's great to see that the "educated" left can always find a label for someone who calls them on their inability to provide support.

You fit right in with morons who make statements about things like "primary sources" but just can't seem to provide them when asked.

I did google it....and found nothing recent.

My parents used to teach me that people like you only revealed just how un-"educated" you really are.

Thanks for playing.[/QUOT

You're so dumb you believe a man as intelligent as Obama didn't just misspeak?

He's the king of misspeak.

"You can keep your doctor....."

But why don't you shove your little commentary and address the OP ? For once.

It's a penalty AND a tax, dumbass dupe. BS GOP propaganda relies on the ignorance and stupidity of the chumps.

See the dupes' love of scam GOP health care policies. Dems can never believe how ignorant the dupes are...500k bankruptcies a year used to be peolple who thought they had good insurance. NO MORE, dopes.

Still waiting that data on medical bankruptcies.

Google it, brainwashed functional moron.

It's great to see that the "educated" left can always find a label for someone who calls them on their inability to provide support.

You fit right in with morons who make statements about things like "primary sources" but just can't seem to provide them when asked.

I did google it....and found nothing recent.

My parents used to teach me that people like you only revealed just how un-"educated" you really are.

Thanks for playing.

Here you go, dingbat.
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com

 

[francoHFW]

Here you go, dingbat.
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com

3/4 had insurance.

 

[francoHFW]

“It’s not health insurance. It’s bankruptcy insurance.”

That would be Obama/GOP care.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Here you go, dingbat.
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com

3/4 had insurance.

My original assertion stands.

That article is a historical record of what was before.

Where is you evidence that any of that has changed.

This is from your article:

They concluded that 62.1 percent of the bankruptcies were medically related because the individuals either had more than $5,000 (or 10 percent of their pretax income) in medical bills, mortgaged their home to pay for medical bills, or lost significant income due to an illness. On average, medically bankrupt families had $17,943 in out-of-pocket expenses, including $26,971 for those who lacked insurance and $17,749 who had insurance at some point.

62.1 had 5 grand in bills ?

5,000 ??? You can't buy a descent used car for that amound.

I would agree that the big kicker is when you can't work.

Medical or not, there are far to many people who pull the plug rather than live up to their obligations.

So, I'll be looking forward to that data that shows that it has gone down since Obamacare.

 

[francoHFW]

And the second link shows how it's gone down, and will go down more. You've heard of the annual cap on out of pocket cost of $6k, I'm sure, dupe? lol.

When you lose your job, you are guaranteed care with Medicaid. Except in mindless red states. CHANGE THE GD CHANNEL.

 

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White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'​

6/29/12


First it was a penalty. Then it was a tax. Now it's a penalty again.

The war of words over what to call the fine attached to the federal health care overhaul's most controversial provision continued Friday, as the White House took issue with the Supreme Court's argument -- even though that argument alone spared President Obama's law.

The five-justice majority argued that, while the fine imposed by the law for not buying health insurance would otherwise be unconstitutional, the fine is actually legal under Congress' authority to tax.

Ergo, the fine is officially a "tax" in the eyes of the court. The law stands.

But in a case of biting the hand that feeds, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Friday the fine is still just a "penalty."

Calling it a "tax" causes obvious political problems for the White House. Obama fought that label vigorously when selling the bill in 2009.

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Meanwhile, the Obama administration pressed ahead Friday with implementing the law. The Department of Health and Human Services was announcing a new program to help states set up so-called health insurance exchanges, which were established under the law.

[Bet a lot of states will drag their feet at least to the election]


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Read more: White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax' | Fox News

 

[007]

It won't be around much longer anyway. It will either implode on it's own or be repealed, but most likely repealed before it breaks the economy...

More than half of Obamacare co-ops go belly up

Health Insurers Going Broke, Thanks to ObamaCare

ObamaCare Could Bankrupt America, AARP Makes Billions

 

[francoHFW]

White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'​

6/29/12


First it was a penalty. Then it was a tax. Now it's a penalty again.

The war of words over what to call the fine attached to the federal health care overhaul's most controversial provision continued Friday, as the White House took issue with the Supreme Court's argument -- even though that argument alone spared President Obama's law.

The five-justice majority argued that, while the fine imposed by the law for not buying health insurance would otherwise be unconstitutional, the fine is actually legal under Congress' authority to tax.

Ergo, the fine is officially a "tax" in the eyes of the court. The law stands.

But in a case of biting the hand that feeds, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Friday the fine is still just a "penalty."

Calling it a "tax" causes obvious political problems for the White House. Obama fought that label vigorously when selling the bill in 2009.

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Meanwhile, the Obama administration pressed ahead Friday with implementing the law. The Department of Health and Human Services was announcing a new program to help states set up so-called health insurance exchanges, which were established under the law.

[Bet a lot of states will drag their feet at least to the election]


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Read more: White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax' | Fox News

A FINE IS A PENALTY duh lol...