White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'

[American_Jihad]

White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'​

6/29/12


First it was a penalty. Then it was a tax. Now it's a penalty again.

The war of words over what to call the fine attached to the federal health care overhaul's most controversial provision continued Friday, as the White House took issue with the Supreme Court's argument -- even though that argument alone spared President Obama's law.

The five-justice majority argued that, while the fine imposed by the law for not buying health insurance would otherwise be unconstitutional, the fine is actually legal under Congress' authority to tax.

Ergo, the fine is officially a "tax" in the eyes of the court. The law stands.

But in a case of biting the hand that feeds, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Friday the fine is still just a "penalty."

Calling it a "tax" causes obvious political problems for the White House. Obama fought that label vigorously when selling the bill in 2009.

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Meanwhile, the Obama administration pressed ahead Friday with implementing the law. The Department of Health and Human Services was announcing a new program to help states set up so-called health insurance exchanges, which were established under the law.

[Bet a lot of states will drag their feet at least to the election]


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Read more: White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax' | Fox News

 

[Mr. H.]

So, taxes aren't gifts.

What else is new.

 

[Stukaman]

The Obama Whitehouse has always considered the American public as little more than brainless, they think we mindlessly devour every minute particle of information they sparingly issue like crumbs. The libs, the press and of course Hollywood morons do their utmost to slobber at the feet of this President, no doubt reenforcing this opinion. So now they think they can have Carney claim this utterly idiotic idea that the new "TAX" is actually a penalty and that someone out there would actually believe them! Of course, as long as there are libs or the press there will always be plenty of idiots!

 

[Vanquish]

it was good enough logic for yer boy Mitt!!

Wait..don't believe the quote?? Hoooooolllllddd on. We need context, right??

Romney: "It's not a tax hike. It is a fee, an assessment." - YouTube

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[Annie]

White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'​

6/29/12


First it was a penalty. Then it was a tax. Now it's a penalty again.

The war of words over what to call the fine attached to the federal health care overhaul's most controversial provision continued Friday, as the White House took issue with the Supreme Court's argument -- even though that argument alone spared President Obama's law.

The five-justice majority argued that, while the fine imposed by the law for not buying health insurance would otherwise be unconstitutional, the fine is actually legal under Congress' authority to tax.

Ergo, the fine is officially a "tax" in the eyes of the court. The law stands.

But in a case of biting the hand that feeds, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Friday the fine is still just a "penalty."

Calling it a "tax" causes obvious political problems for the White House. Obama fought that label vigorously when selling the bill in 2009.

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Meanwhile, the Obama administration pressed ahead Friday with implementing the law. The Department of Health and Human Services was announcing a new program to help states set up so-called health insurance exchanges, which were established under the law.

[Bet a lot of states will drag their feet at least to the election]


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Read more: White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax' | Fox News

I'm guessing most states will not spend the money to 'establish the exchanges' until after the election. If Romney wins, they may not be relevant with changes. Why waste the money? None us, liberals or conservatives, want wasted spending.

 

[Vanquish]

Then stop paying for emergency care and start paying for the cheaper alternative...preventative care.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Then stop paying for emergency care and start paying for the cheaper alternative...preventative care.

What horseshit. prevantative care requires people doing it, but most dont give a shit. Are you gonna give em a police escort to the doctor now?

 

[Annie]

Then stop paying for emergency care and start paying for the cheaper alternative...preventative care.

What horseshit. prevantative care requires people doing it, but most dont give a shit. Are you gonna give em a police escort to the doctor now?

and many tens of thousand without insurance cannot afford 'preventative care.' They can't afford insurance fees, even when available through employer. Now they'll be the ones taxed through this wonderful plan.

 

[Salt Jones]

Then stop paying for emergency care and start paying for the cheaper alternative...preventative care.

What horseshit. prevantative care requires people doing it, but most dont give a shit. Are you gonna give em a police escort to the doctor now?

They can still not give a shit, but now they have to pay $746 per year to do it..

 

[Salt Jones]

Then stop paying for emergency care and start paying for the cheaper alternative...preventative care.

What horseshit. prevantative care requires people doing it, but most dont give a shit. Are you gonna give em a police escort to the doctor now?

and many tens of thousand without insurance cannot afford 'preventative care.' They can't afford insurance fees, even when available through employer. Now they'll be the ones taxed through this wonderful plan.

So you are for free universal healthcare for all American citizens?

 

[Annie]

What horseshit. prevantative care requires people doing it, but most dont give a shit. Are you gonna give em a police escort to the doctor now?

and many tens of thousand without insurance cannot afford 'preventative care.' They can't afford insurance fees, even when available through employer. Now they'll be the ones taxed through this wonderful plan.

So you are for free universal healthcare for all American citizens?

There's no such animal. Peter must always be paid.

 

[Vanquish]

People will go get preventative care, if they can afford it. You're not going to let your foot rot off from diabetic bad circulation. You're going to manage your disease.

You people just won't ever wake up, will you?

 

[Vanquish]

Oh and great job totally ignoring what Mitt said about it NOT being a tax

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'​

6/29/12


First it was a penalty. Then it was a tax. Now it's a penalty again.

The war of words over what to call the fine attached to the federal health care overhaul's most controversial provision continued Friday, as the White House took issue with the Supreme Court's argument -- even though that argument alone spared President Obama's law.

The five-justice majority argued that, while the fine imposed by the law for not buying health insurance would otherwise be unconstitutional, the fine is actually legal under Congress' authority to tax.

Ergo, the fine is officially a "tax" in the eyes of the court. The law stands.

But in a case of biting the hand that feeds, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Friday the fine is still just a "penalty."

Calling it a "tax" causes obvious political problems for the White House. Obama fought that label vigorously when selling the bill in 2009.

---


Meanwhile, the Obama administration pressed ahead Friday with implementing the law. The Department of Health and Human Services was announcing a new program to help states set up so-called health insurance exchanges, which were established under the law.

[Bet a lot of states will drag their feet at least to the election]


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Read more: White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax' | Fox News

Its an IRS penalty. They have plenty other ones than that. Should I start a list, ya fuckin moron?

 

[Clementine]

The government is allowed to tax us, so he better decide what this is. The individual mandate was ruled unconstitutional, but the idiot liberal judges said it was okay for the government to tax us for not buying insurance. What a crock. The ruling is insane and makes no sense.

The government should not be allowed to punish us for not doing something that the constitution says we don't have to do.

The dictator occupying the white house has given us orders and we are threatened with fines and jail if we don't obey.


Full list of Obamacare Tax Hikes

http://m.atr.org/article.php?id=6996

Those idiots really should have read the bill before voting. I bet half those clowns still don't understand what they've done. The damage is immense, but since it doesn't affect them, they don't give a shit about the rest of us. We will be denied perfectly legal tax deductions if the IRA doesn't think they have substance or if they think we're just trying to reduce our tax burden. What does that have to do with healthcare? Nothing, but Obama wants our money since he thinks that he and the liberals are smarter when it comes to spending our money. We don't deserve anything that we've worked for and they are set to take as much as possible. He is now God and above all laws, including our constitution.

 

[Vanquish]

The government is allowed to tax us, so he better decide what this is. The individual mandate was ruled unconstitutional, but the idiot liberal judges said it was okay for the government to tax us for not buying insurance. What a crock. The ruling is insane and makes no sense.

The government should not be allowed to punish us for not doing something that the constitution says we don't have to do.

The dictator occupying the white house has given us orders and we are threatened with fines and jail if we don't obey.


Full list of Obamacare Tax Hikes

ATR Mobile: Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

Those idiots really should have read the bill before voting. I bet half those clowns still don't understand what they've done. The damage is immense, but since it doesn't affect them, they don't give a shit about the rest of us.

It wasn't ruled unconstitutional you moron.

 

[Annie]

taking a look see:

The government is allowed to tax us, so he better decide what this is. The individual mandate was ruled unconstitutional, but the idiot liberal judges said it was okay for the government to tax us for not buying insurance. What a crock. The ruling is insane and makes no sense.

The government should not be allowed to punish us for not doing something that the constitution says we don't have to do.

The dictator occupying the white house has given us orders and we are threatened with fines and jail if we don't obey.


Full list of Obamacare Tax Hikes

ATR Mobile: Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

Those idiots really should have read the bill before voting. I bet half those clowns still don't understand what they've done. The damage is immense, but since it doesn't affect them, they don't give a shit about the rest of us. We will be denied perfectly legal tax deductions if the IRA doesn't think they have substance or if they think we're just trying to reduce our tax burden. What does that have to do with healthcare? Nothing, but Obama wants our money since he thinks that he and the liberals are smarter when it comes to spending our money. We don't deserve anything that we've worked for and they are set to take as much as possible. He is now God and above all laws, including our constitution.

Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:28 PM | Ryan Ellis and John Kartch (Twitter: @Taxplaya and @JohnKartch)

Obamacare law contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses

Taxpayers are reminded that the President’s healthcare law is one of the largest tax increases in American history.

Obamacare contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses.

Arranged by their respective effective dates, below is the total list of all $500 billion-plus in tax hikes (over the next ten years) in Obamacare, where to find them in the bill, and how much your taxes are scheduled to go up as of today:

Taxes that took effect in 2010:

1. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971

2. Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113

3. “Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105

4. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies ($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980

5. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike ($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004

6. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399

Taxes that took effect in 2011:

7. Medicine Cabinet Tax ($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959

8. HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike ($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959

Tax that took effect in 2012:

9. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Min$/Jan 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957

Taxes that take effect in 2013:

10. Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93

...



*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.

11. Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax ($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:




First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee


All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee

Current Law


1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed


1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed

Obamacare Tax Hike


1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed


1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed


Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93

12. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers ($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exempts items retailing for <$100. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,980-1,986

13. Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI ($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995

14. Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” ($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389

15. Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D ($4.5 bil/Jan 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994

16. $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives ($0.6 bil/Jan 2013). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000

Taxes that take effect in 2014:

17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following




1 Adult


2 Adults


3+ Adults

2014


1% AGI/$95


1% AGI/$190


1% AGI/$285

2015


2% AGI/$325


2% AGI/$650


2% AGI/$975

2016 +


2.5% AGI/$695


2.5% AGI/$1390


2.5% AGI/$2085


Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS). Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337

18. Employer Mandate Tax (Jan 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346

Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

19. Tax on Health Insurers ($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993

Taxes that take effect in 2018:

20. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans ($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956

 

[sfcalifornia]

6/29/12


First it was a penalty. Then it was a tax. Now it's a penalty again.

The war of words over what to call the fine attached to the federal health care overhaul's most controversial provision continued Friday, as the White House took issue with the Supreme Court's argument -- even though that argument alone spared President Obama's law.

The five-justice majority argued that, while the fine imposed by the law for not buying health insurance would otherwise be unconstitutional, the fine is actually legal under Congress' authority to tax.

Ergo, the fine is officially a "tax" in the eyes of the court. The law stands.

But in a case of biting the hand that feeds, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Friday the fine is still just a "penalty."

Calling it a "tax" causes obvious political problems for the White House. Obama fought that label vigorously when selling the bill in 2009.

---


Meanwhile, the Obama administration pressed ahead Friday with implementing the law. The Department of Health and Human Services was announcing a new program to help states set up so-called health insurance exchanges, which were established under the law.

[Bet a lot of states will drag their feet at least to the election]


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Read more: White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax' | Fox News

Christ, I thought the word marriage was bad enough. Now we're gonna spend the next 10 years picking apart tax and penalty? Who gives a shit what it's called? What it's called doesn't change what it is.

 

[Vanquish]

But.....but....that's all the conservatives have got....

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax'​

6/29/12


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Read more: White House claims ObamaCare fine a 'penalty,' despite court calling it a 'tax' | Fox News

FOX News? The one that said ACA/Obamacare was ruled unConstitutional?

btw, your point is not true

The Court called the mandate a penalty that is for Constitutional purposes, a tax.

Proof you have no clue what you are talking about: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf